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Are these red flags?

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Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 09:51

Met a new guy and just ended it, about a month in but quite fast-paced.

Looking back and seeing more and more reasons why I did, but trying to figure out if I was too hasty...

He maintained from the beginning he wanted something serious but brought up his ex a lot (who left him and now they don't talk). At first I didnt mind but, when I asked randomly if he missed her, he would say things like "I miss the life we had built together/our plans for the future" and then when we were in his bedroom, he would comment on how cute it was that their dog used to climb on the bed and sit in the middle when they first got him. Said dog still lives with him and this was the first time I went round his house and stayed over, I didn't say anything but it didn't make me feel special. I felt like she was a ghost and always there, and that I was always being directly compared to her subconsciously.

He would tell me lots about his life and his goals, ambitions etc. but when I asked occasionally for advice about mine (we are in same high pressure indsutry, he is a lot more senior), he would respond in an off-hand manner or make it into a joke. E.g. I told him about a new project I was really excited to be working on and his response was "sounds cool" rather than developing the conversation. I also asked him for some career advice a few dates in and at first he responded with quite a standard, dull answer ("stay at your company and work up") then when pressed, said "marry someone rich, divorce them, marry another richer guy, divorce him, then go for someone even older and richer while you have your looks and divorce him" - wtf. I laughed it off but just felt like he wouldn't invest in my life emotionally.

When we went on dates, he'd choose a place we'd discussed and that he really liked and ask if I wanted to come along as he really wanted to escape our city for the day. It was good fun but just felt so casual and all about him/what he wanted, rather than making the other person feel special at all. I felt like I was very much coming along for the ride.

On our dates he would go into long monologues about things and I would respond/give conversational cues, we would chat, but as soon as I said something it would become clear he wasn't actively listening. E.g. I would say a few details about my family background after he asked e.g. my dad used to work in an office, his direct response would then be "ah ok so your dad must work in the oil industry then right?" He would correct himself after but I just felt quite superfluous to him and quite replaceable.

There are more red flags but wanted to see if these made sense to others? I know it was early days but he was really pursuing and I kind of feel that that is when people are putting their best foot forward. A month in is when you should be making someone feel special, listening to them, engaging with them... Or am I asking too much?

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Planbforme · 27/07/2020 10:00

Ah c’mon @Kranpetta

Trust yourself. You know well this wasn’t good enough & that’s why you ended it. The OP you’ve written is part of your grieving process & letting go. Don’t make the same mistake twice Flowers

MrsR87 · 27/07/2020 10:04

He sounds full, self-centred and surplus to requirements. He’s too busy living his ‘fantasy’ relationship in his head that he’s missing the opportunities to actually build it with someone.

IdblowJonSnow · 27/07/2020 10:04

You've done the right thing OP.
Its possible he wasnt over his ex or maybe hes just not that nice.
Yanbu to want someone who is more interested in you, he sounds a bit selfish.

Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 10:04

I think these examples probably make me sound quite needy, but this was after three weeks of non-stop chatting and just got a vibe that, while I was really starting to get to know him as a person, he didn't know that much about me in comparison. He knew the superficial key details but not much more and didn't seem bothered.

Eg I told him my surname a couple times in passing and he didn't remember it.

We had a date at his house and he bought dinner for us but didn't seem bothered about actually making it (frozen pizza which never went in the oven; ended up going hungry as got distracted.

We had chatted quite a lot about my plans to move abroad one day and when I asked him if that was what he wanted (despite saying a lot that potentially his ex could take care of their dog), he finally said he probably wouldn't as he couldn't do it to the dog. But that one day if an opportunity came up for him to (eg) migrate to New Zealand with his family, he would be totally open to it... Just seemed, again, all about him, his dreams, his wants... No compromise or partnership

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MrsR87 · 27/07/2020 10:05

My comment should of course shave said dull, not full! Damn phone!

Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 10:06

Thanks everyone!!!!

Yes, that's what I thought: selfish and too busy playing out his fantasy relationship in his head to build it with someone else. It takes two doesnt it?!

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ThinkWittyThoughts · 27/07/2020 10:11

These examples DO NOT make you seem needy. They quite clearly show him to be a selfish arsehole.

Well done for recognising he wasn't a good fit for you and cutting your losses.

MMmomDD · 27/07/2020 10:16

Sorry, OP. I kept reading and looks for actual red flags and saw none.
You just started dating, barely knew each other. He was probably recently out of a relationship.
You also seem to have this high expectation of him taking care of you - career advice and need to be wooed, in a particular way it seems. ‘He chose a place we discussed’, but it felt ‘too casual’ and you didn’t feel ‘special’ - reads strange to me.
It’s fine to want to feel special, as long as you realise that it’s not one way street and both people in the relationship need to make that effort. Not just expect the man to do that.

However - if you didn’t enjoy your time with him - flags or not - It’s up to you to stay or go.

Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 10:21

@MMmomDD yep I get that, but I guess my broader point is that I was making that effort. I would listen to what he said about things he liked to eat/didnt and bring things like that for us to eat. I would ask him about events going on in his life e.g. big work presentations (and he would forget the equivalent details about my life until I prompted). I would remember key details about his life and ask about them. Offer to pay for things when we went places.

This was over a broader period of chatting daily for three weeks, having around 5/6 dates including a car trip where we chatted and hung out for around 8 hours. Long enough I think to get a bit of a measure of someone and ascertain the dynamics of how you both treat each other.

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Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 27/07/2020 10:22

You don’t sound needy. He sounds, as others have said, dull and disinterested.

I wouldn’t necessarily use the words “red flag” because I think that means markers for abuse, and I don’t necessarily see that, just some who’s extremely wrapped up in themselves. Maybe not a very nice person, maybe just boring and self obsessed.

Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 10:23

I guess how it ended was also key; a lot of the "relationship" was about his ex baggage, where was at, what he was ready for. I confided in something about myself/what I was ready for (basically that relationships were a big thing for me) and he got nervous and started to pull away. I just realised that while I was willing to go the extra mile for him (and did, by taking all his things into account), he would never have done the same for me and wasn't willing to see me as an "imperfect person" rather than the image he'd build in his head...

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Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 27/07/2020 10:26

From what I’ve read the ex thing doesn’t sound like the main issue. It sounds like him not being very interested/ interesting was the over riding thing. But maybe that’s just how it reads.

Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 10:26

He would also message saying that he was "really bored" - this was a mid 30s bloke, not a teenager who couldn't hold a conversation! I just thought, god, you're doing this after two weeks. I know he wasn't seeing anyone else but was just lacking honeymoon-stage effort and romance!! He was treating me as if we'd been going out for months and I wasn't worth wooing haha.

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Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 10:27

@Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches he was really driving it though, pushing our dates, pushing a future, telling me how beautiful I was, how he wanted to do XYZ in future. Messaging first, starting conversations.

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Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 10:29

He was always really excited to see me and wanted to see me twice a week too. And made a big effort in superficial ways when we met e.g. decorating his house with flowers/candles for our dates. Just a bit odd.

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BlingLoving · 27/07/2020 10:57

He was boring and self centred. Possibly also somewhat misogynist. You recognised the relationship wasn't working and you ended it.

In the nicest possible way OP, now it's time to move on. t was 1 month, you were smart and got out before you got in too deep. This guy is barely a blip in your life. Don't give him any more headspace.

crimsonlake · 27/07/2020 11:00

There is one big point missing here...how long ago had he broken up with his ex?
I also agree that basically he was not interested enough and possibly because his ex was still very much on his mind.

Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 11:06

@crimsonlake a year but in reality dating with one foot in despite knowing she wouldn't be coming back/had left him on bad terms. They were going to get married. It transpired later he had been trying to win her back 6 months ago.

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Notcoolmum · 27/07/2020 11:14

I wouldn't say these were red flags. But he sounds boring and self centred and not for you. Having dinner at his house within 3 weeks seems quite fast. I like to keep dates out at such an early stage.

HollowTalk · 27/07/2020 11:16

Oh god, he sounds awful! I think his job and seniority perhaps blinded you to the fact he's a boring, selfish man.

GilbertMarkham · 27/07/2020 11:17

Sounds self absorbed and selfish to the point of narcissistic/sociopathic.

That type does very well in the corporate world.

His opinion of women is also rather telling ... I've heard similar before from priveleged, status aware, slightly bitter men in finance "oh women can just marry the chief exec and they're made, even if they get divorced", it's resentment verging on jealousy that women (in their eyes) can use their looks and sexuality to make it. They view relationships and the works very cynically (and rather basely, not a word o know but).

They're a bit chauvanists/misogynistic too.

Fits with how looks oriented he is - calling you beautiful, and talking about be men using their looks to get resources .. but totally disinterested and dismissive of your work/brain. He's not interested in a brain (or ability or ambition) in a woman, seems to see it as surplus to requirements. Apparently they're pretty, empty vessels.

GilbertMarkham · 27/07/2020 11:20

Everything you say makes me inclined to think he sees women as objects/fantasies (and the fantasy doesn't include them as a rounded, full person).

Focusing on your looks, romantic gestures, using you as a listening post .. but no interest in you as a person beyond that.

SoulofanAggron · 27/07/2020 11:21

He sounds self-absorbed and that he'd make a frustrating partner or friend as he's not interested in other people.

Also not really over his ex.

You were right to end it. xxx

Thingsdogetbetter · 27/07/2020 11:52

He wasn't over his ex, and wanted to fill the gf void he felt. He wasn't interested in you are a person, he just wanted a gf. It's classic rebound behaviour when not over someone. Horrible for the person who's just a generic gf/bf shape to fit in the hole left by ex. Well done for spotting and leaving. Needy would have been clinging on and trying to compete with ex.

Kranpetta · 27/07/2020 13:40

Sorry on a roll now, trying to get it all off my chest! He would also talk about how women he'd met on the dating apps would often tell him the "vibe was wrong" I wonder why and how he had a big ego so it was a blow for him when they did that. But that he'd stayed friends with some of them? Just seemed like he would collect them.

Yes several comments hinted towards internalised misoygny of some kind. E.g. he described a woman he'd been on a date with previous to me as having looked very different to her pictures and being a "big girl". He also definitely judged woman/things/people on appearances e.g. weight, looks and a comment even on the the first date about divorces and how men got rinsed in them. He told an anecodote about a secretary at his work in her 50s who had been "passed around the bankers" as a young woman but never managed to get into a relationship with one - just seemed like such a sexist thing to say.

He was also a massive snob. When we drove to a town, he deliberately chose a different route as the neighbouring town was a "dump" and he didnt want to drive through it.

Finally (!) he told me anecdotes about all his friends wives and girlfriends who sounded absolutely mental. Which I think was a sign re the company he chose to keep. One couple had recently got engaged and he had said how she'd gained loads of weight and her fiance had been making jokes to the men in the group about how he'd need to buy her two seats on the plane. But now she'd lost all the weight but could still gain it back?! Then they got engaged despite him discussing her in quite a contemptuous manner. I just sat there taking it all in.

He mentioned on one of our early dates (maybe fourth?) that it would be the perfect time for a couple to get pregnant (!!!) and he would be up for keeping it... His reasoning was why wait, just go for it and make it work!!!! Just seemed like such an odd thing to say when he didn't know me, just the idea of me.

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