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Relationship with my parents faltering since birth of DS3

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Mummyoply · 15/07/2020 18:34

Since having my DS3 my parent’s behaviour has changed or perhaps they have always been this way and I have become less tolerant.

I’d like advice about how to repair our relationship before things breakdown any further.

I have always been very close to both of my parents. My son is their first grandchild and I was excited to tell them they were going to be grandparents. They were shocked (no idea why I was 39 and had been married for 5 years) and throughout my pregnancy they never asked about me or my son.

When DS3 was born they were happy and for a little while things were ok, but as he grew and needed nap and feed times they became difficult to be around. They would ‘accidentally’ wake him up, distract him from eating etc. If I said “he’s getting tired” they would scoff and roll their eyes. In fact they would scoff and roll their eyes at most things I said. To this day they have never told me I am a good mother - perhaps because they don’t think I am. I once got upset and told them about how they made me feel. It didn’t help, my dad shouted at me, said I’m ungrateful and how dare I say they upset me when they paid for my wedding, buy me nice presents and
helped me go to university. They did pay for some of it but I paid for a lot of my wedding and worked 3 jobs during my uni days. I thanked them so much for these things at the time that my dad told me off for thanking them too much. I tried to pay them back for this with a regular monthly payment but they refused. I have since asked them not to buy presents for me or my husband anymore. I can’t risk it being thrown back in my face again as it’s too hurtful. This conversation did stop the eye rolling but nothing else changed.

They are both poor communicators my mum lies a lot ( nothing major, I’m not sure she realises she’s doing it a lot of the time) and shouts or cries to deflect or get her own way and my dad won’t speak at all most of the time. I can’t remember the last time he spoke directly to me. He hasn’t wished me happy birthday for 3 years and neither of them have made any attempt to see me on my birthday for the past 3 years either. This year they came to my house when they knew I would be at work and dropped of an incredibly expensive pair of earrings for me. I now have to go to their house to take them back, which makes me feel very anxious.

They come for Christmas but make no attempt to enjoy themselves. I always cook the food they like, but mum will just pick at it and say she’s not hungry.

Since our relationship has started to breakdown, it’s made me think about the past more and the things my parents have done over the years that have made me feel bad that I’ve perhaps brushed under the carpet. I’m slowly letting go of these things/feelings and want to move on and make our relationship better. I know they won’t instigate this so I need to, but how? It would be easy to walk away but what good would that do. I saw a counsellor but she just kept telling me to tell my mum that I needed a hug from her, which I can’t do yet

In other respects my life is wonderful even in these difficult times, my son is amazing ( as all mums think of their children) my husband is too and is very supportive. I have a nice home and good job.

And yet, this issue with my parents consumes so much of me, of my time, my energy, my thoughts. How do I start carving a path to positive change?

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PAND0RA · 17/07/2020 13:29

Things have changed since you had your DS because you have changed. You are now setting boundaries, expecting them to behave in a reasonable way and even saying no to them.

They don’t like it . They want to go on walking all over you and treating you ( and now your son ) badly. They will go on acting like this because this is who they are.

I’m guessing they are , what , in their 60s? They won’t change now. You either go on being treated badly by them and expose your son to harm, or you go LC or NC.

I agree with the others. Get yourself a proper counsellor.

Join the stately homes threads on MN.

Bunnymumy · 17/07/2020 13:47

Sound like a couple of narcissists or similar. Thet may be considering putting your child in the scapegoat position so be careful (golden child vs scapegoat).

My gran was one and did this to me. I wish my mother had walked away from her but she was too under the spell.

I second the 'stately homes' thread.

Also watch some youtube videos on narcissistic parents and narcissists and gift (obligation) giving.

Sunnydayshereatlast · 17/07/2020 13:51

I am an only dc. Also nc with both dps. My dc are much better off not having them in their lives.. No regrets. No guilt.

Mummyoply · 18/07/2020 18:48

Yes they are in their 60’s and retired. The advice on this thread and signposting to the Stately Homes thread has been really helpful, Thank you.

DS and I have made my dad a birthday cake today which I will take round with his cards and presents tomorrow. I am going to try and be the bigger person, wish him a happy birthday and try not to give him or my mum an opportunity to belittle me. I am going on my own and just hoping for the best.

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cantarina · 18/07/2020 22:29

I have had similar issues with my dad after having a child. I reduced contact significantly. I've got to a place where the games (E.g. buying you expensive earrings to guilt trip you) and the twisting of the truth in conversations don't bother me almost at all. I expect very little from him and I am not disappointed. I have accepted that emotionally he isn't that solid and I won't ever get the supportive parent child relationship I crave.

I play bullshit bingo a lot, try to predict the behaviour as a sort of game.

It helps me to anticipate the bad behaviour- I'm less disappointed when it happens now.

Every time I call, my dad will go for a variation of 'I thought you had fallen out with me, you haven't called me in so long'. Back in the day that would have upset me, poor dad pining for contact, these days I laugh it off and ask him if his phone is broken as he can call me any time. Lots of stuff like this happens now and for me, that's very healthy, the guilt tripping doesn't work - I see it for what it is.

You have taken the first steps. You can see the bullshit. Good for you. Stage 2 is to let it affect you less.

RidingMyBike · 18/07/2020 22:46

This happened to me last year - it was like the scales fell from my eyes and I could see how my mum was actually behaving. DD was 3yo at that point too!

It's very discombobulating, isn't it? I haven't really decided what to do about it. We only saw her 3-4 times a year (it was 3 times last year and we haven't actually seen her since Christmas) which was her choice (apart from COVID this year stopping it) and I've started to pull her up on things she says. She isn't pleased I'm standing up to her and is doing emotional blackmail at the moment. It makes me so sad - I was on the phone to her yesterday and mentioned my DH had had a hospital appt and she couldn't even be bothered to ask about it, just wanted to tell me all about a friend of a friend's hospital appt!

Mummyoply · 19/07/2020 10:29

I did it, took presents and cake. My dad didn't want to open his presents in front of me and I don't mind that at all but my mum made him so that was a bit awkward, but he seemed genuinely very happy with his gifts. The cake didn't go down that well but I expected that - even though my son made it. I'm sure they'll just put it in the in bin, but my son enjoyed making it so I'm happy we did it. Conversation revolved around them (but it is his birthday) and also about other people. No questions were asked about me or my DS or DH. I actually feel ok, it was polite and I had no expectations. All done until Christmas now!

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Stanleyville · 19/07/2020 10:49

Other posters have given great advice. In your op you mentioned that they were shocked you were pregnant and you were very surprised by that because you'd been married 5 years and were 39. That really underlines the lack of communication in the relationships. If someone I didn't know well announced their first pregnancy at 39 and been married 5 years I'd be surprised, I would have assumed they didn't want children or were struggling with fertility. With your own daughter though it would surely be normal to know if that was the case or whether they were just waiting until the time was right etc? It sounds like they'd made assumptions about you and couldn't reconcile the real situation.

MarioPuzo · 19/07/2020 12:53

You sound like such a lovely, thoughtful person Mummopoly. Maybe you are so considerate now because they were/are so emotionally neglectful? So as a child you learned how to anticipate people's needs and how to make them happy without being directly asked.

Please look into getting another counsellor, a good one this time; "ask your mum for a hug" Shock what use would that do when your mum is a narc liar who competes with a 3 year old about who fed the most ducks? It sounds like you still have some FOG (Fear, Obligation, Guilt) about your relationship with your parents and a good therapist can help you to come to a place of acceptance about your relationship with them.

Good luck Flowers

Mummyoply · 20/07/2020 07:59

@Stanleyville yes I think you are right, my mum will often tell people things about me that aren't true. She would always tell people that I didn't want children and for a long time I believed her, possibly why I had my son so late. It took me a long time to realise that she had projected this onto me for so long that I have believed it even though it's not want I wanted - I realise that it must sound ludicrous for a grown women to admit this.

@MarioPuzo thank you, I think that I wasn't very nice for a long time. A bit of a rubbish communicator and until recently I've struggled to make friends. However I am much more aware and ashamed of my past behaviours and have now seen the light! I feel that I am a much nicer person since I have realised the behaviour of my parents isn't acceptable .

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Treacletoots · 20/07/2020 08:10

Oh OP. I could have written your post. That was me just over 10 years ago. Flowers

You deserve so much better than this, but the sad fact is, you likely won't get it.

I went NC a decade ago and my god, it's been wonderful. No more making an effort for birthdays to have it thrown back in my face, no more being expected to fit around their Xmas plans because they're having golden child round earlier and they don't want me there until there's only leftovers (yes really)

Please please don't expose your DS to this. Get some good reading material about toxic parents and narcissists and start opening your eyes.

You've had some great advice on here, particularly from monkeymonkey2010. Join us over on the stately homes thread and start to feel better about yourself :)

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/07/2020 08:11

Do look at and consider also posting on the current "Well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages.

It is really not possible to have a relationship with people as disordered of thinking as your parents are. Your mother is a narcissist and your dad is her all too willing enabler. Women like your mother cannot do relationships and need such a person to help them.

They will never ask about or after your DH or your son. All my MIL does these days is ask my H questions, my son and I are really of no concern to her.

I hope you ditch this current counsellor who advised you to ask your mother for a hug!. Words fail me. BTW if that person is a member of a recognised body like BACP I would report them; that person needs more training. You need to find someone who has no familial bias despite the presence of mistreatment. These people too are like shoes; you need to find someone who fits in with your approach.

Treacletoots · 20/07/2020 08:12

Also, your past issues with communication are likely a direct result of how you've been brought up.

I had exactly the same issues, underconfident, negative etc but when I realised it was conditioning from years of abuse I've been able to break free and really improve myself.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/07/2020 08:15

I would not bother with seeing them at all at Christmas.

I would also reiterate that you must not keep on exposing your DS and family unit to the likes of them because they will harm you all and in not too dissimilar ways as to how you've been treated by them yourself. You are very much still an adult child of a narcissist and you need to also rid yourself of the notion which many such adult children have that they will somehow behave better around your child. They will not do so. Toxic parents become toxic as grandparents too and they have not changed.

Mummyoply · 20/07/2020 09:18

Thank you, you are all so helpful and nice and I really appreciate your advice. I will go over to the stately homes thread. I felt a bit like I might be intruding on there but feel more confident about joining now.

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MarioPuzo · 20/07/2020 11:22

Mummyoply

Thank you, you are all so helpful and nice and I really appreciate your advice. I will go over to the stately homes thread. I felt a bit like I might be intruding on there but feel more confident about joining now.

I am currently reading a book called 'Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents' (my parents suck too) and what you wrote above reminded me of this part of the book:

When internalizers finally seek help, including therapy, they often feel embarrassed and undeserving. Internalizers who grew up with emotionally immature parents are always surprised to have their feelings taken seriously. They often downplay their suffering as being over “silly things” or “stupid stuff.” Some even comment that they shouldn’t be taking up therapy time when there are so many other people who need help more than they do—probably indicating that they grew up in a family where attention-demanding externalizers were the only ones deemed in need of help.

I really recommend the book, it has opened my eyes to a lot of behaviour that I assumed was normal.

Mummyoply · 20/07/2020 14:32

@MarioPuzo I've just popped the book you have recommended into my Amazon basket!

One last question before I hop over to the Stately Homes thread:

After I visited my parents yesterday I returned home and FaceTimed them, so my DS could say Happy Birthday. He told them he was going to the woods in the afternoon. He wanted to tell them that he had a nature hunt to complete and was taking his bug pot and magnifying glass, but he didn't get that far. My mum immediately said she had something 'exciting' to tell him and then launched into a very protracted story about some cattle she saw walking through a field.

Would anyone challenge this? At the time I really wanted to interrupt her and say something along the lines of " before you tell your story would you like to ask DS about his trip to the woods?"

Or is it best to let it go or not to let it happen in the first place? Perhaps take more control of the conversation?

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PAND0RA · 20/07/2020 14:46

There’s no point in challenging it. They have ABSOLUTELY no interest in hearing about their only DGC trip into the woods. Or making a fuss about the lovely birthday cake he made.

Anymore than they care about how you are or seeing you on your birthday.

They don’t care about these things . All they care about is you listening to them and validating them. They care about you and your DS doing what they want and making them look like good parents / grandparents to their friends.

You say in your OP that you are close to them , then you admit your mother lies to you all the time and your father hasn’t spoken to you in THREE YEARS.

Yet you still force your child to make a cake that isn’t even acknowledged and give gifts that are ungraciously received and only reluctantly opened.

Why are you doing this to your poor little boy ? Why are you letting them treat him like this ? What lessons are you teaching him?

Mummyoply · 20/07/2020 15:06

@PAND0RA my dad has spoken to me, he just hasn't wished me happy birthday in 3 years and really only speaks if spoken to. He doesn't start conversations with me.

I didn't force my DS to do anything nor would I ever do this. He loves baking and thoroughly enjoyed making a birthday cake.

I have been thinking for sometime that we need to limit the FaceTime calls with my son because my parents are so bad at communicating with him. They do praise him but will generally just say "wow" if he says anything. I think a lot of the problem is that they are too busy thinking of what they are going to say next and not listening to what he is saying to them.

I think I will try and wean away from the FaceTime calls, I feel that I can tell them why if they ask. My son isn't affected at the moment and I want to stop him from being affected in the future so will nip this in the bud now.

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PAND0RA · 20/07/2020 15:53

I didn't force my DS to do anything nor would I ever do this. He loves baking and thoroughly enjoyed making a birthday cake

What did your son say when his grandfather didn’t like the cake ? What did you say to him about it?

PAND0RA · 20/07/2020 15:59

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean that you forced DS to make the cake, I mean that you set him up by making him give the cake to your father even though you knew that your father wouldn’t act at appropriately.

I don’t understand your thinking. You know that they are mean to you, so you out your little child into the firing line and hope they are nice to him. Then you are disappointed when they are mean to him. Well perhaps more rude and careless of his feelings than actually mean.

Mummyoply · 20/07/2020 16:18

@PAND0RA oh I see, my DS doesn't know they were dismissive as I took the cake, cards and presents on my own. My DS hasn't seen them since before lockdown and has never been alone with them.

He does find them funny at times and talks about them but they don't have a 'traditional' GP/GC relationship. No story reading, he doesn't cuddle them etc.

This thread has certainly been an eye opener and I'm thankful to you all for that.

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BumbleBeee69 · 20/07/2020 16:45

why are you entertaining these toxic people OP... and I include your therapist in that statement Confused WTAF

Anordinarymum · 20/07/2020 16:55

I cut all ties with my mother when she started treating my children with the same contempt she showed to me. I decided enough was enough and she was not going to be given the chance to make little children feel bad about themselves. She could do it to me but no way was she going to be given a free pass to do it to my babies.

That was not the only reason I did this. If I had to list everything I would be here next week.
I never regretted cutting ties. She was a poisonous old witch. When she died I felt nothing. My children still remember how horrible 'Granny' was to them on the few occasions we met.

Sunnydayshereatlast · 20/07/2020 17:09

Op please make your own Christmas plans that don't include these joy suckers..
Your ds really deserves a Christmas that is just about him....
You owe them nothing.. Put your ds's happiness above theirs. And make that a permanent plan.