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Why do I feel affected by this?

52 replies

yrostorh6 · 14/07/2020 13:48

Recently met someone on a dating app, went on several dates over 3 weeks, he implied he was looking for something serious then more or less ghosted. Was quite hurt. He was seriously not over his ex.

As that came to an end, I began chatting to someone else who messaged every day for a couple of weeks, very frequently. We had a fair bit in common and met for the first time last week, spending 5 hours just chatting over drinks and food. He was quite forthright about wanting to pay. I wasnt sure how he felt about me but he kickstarted convo next day and said he'd bring a fancy picnic to the park for us. Our next date was wine-fuelled, we chatted for 8 hours then he took me to his and cooked for me. Spent about 20 hours together all in. I didnt dtd but stayed over and he was kind and respectful, didnt hurry me out the next morning.

On our dates, I was unsure if he was into me but he initiated physical contact and also paid for things/prolonged the date/asked lots of questions. He is in a listening profession and things between us got very deep very quickly (I think also lockdown/emotions running high/alcohol). I let him in on some quite serious areas of my life e.g. family things, relationship history and he told me about his. I did get tipsy and probably say too much but it felt very natural at the time and he behaved in a very caring way. I also listened to him. I really felt like we had developed emotional intimacy very quickly combined with the fact that seemed to like a lot of the same things, so conversation was very easy.

He mentioned a few times how he had said one-off details to his friends about me e.g. my name, occupation, what we had done on the date.

We hadnt had the "what are you looking for" chat but he kept mentioning previous gfs/girls who were wrong for him but who he had pursued cos they were "exceptionally beautiful" (worth saying he never said anything like that to me haha)/girls who he really got on with who had implied they were looking for more... Essentially seemed like he was looking for a connection. He made a big thing out of the fact I hadn't had any long-term relationships, asking why and commenting on the fact I had been dating lots of d*heads in the past.

Things seemed in short that they had the potential to go somewhere and I felt like he was behaving in a caring and considerate way at the start.

I left his house on the weekend and immediately felt like something was a bit off, despite the fact he treated me very well. We didnt dtd and he was super respectful (I asked to take it slow and probably acted a bit inhibited about it all, freaked out a bit) but he was understanding and kind. Next morning, he made an offhand comment about a dream he had where his cards in poker had been flipped/he had shown his hand and got angry as he wanted his money back. He's very perceptive and in my head I drew a clear parallel between that and how I had behaved/he had behaved by buying everything. Nevertheless he made me a hot drink and didnt rush me out.

He stopped messaging as much and near on ghosted the next day, prompting me to restart the convo. Eventually and hours later I got a message saying "I feel a bit awkward saying it but I just wanted to say while I had a great time when we have met, I dont think Id be up for anything more serious right now and thought Id make that clear so I dont give the wrong impression"

I felt like this message was building but feel also like how could I could have got it so wrong? How do I reply? I would be up for seeing him again as friends but that sounds a little OTT and I feel like my pride has taken a massive knock too

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yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:04

Thanks Chungus but he is obviously a relationship kinda guy, I guess just not with me tho? I dont get why he suggested doing middle of the day things to hang out if he just wanted that too? Seems like a lot of unnecessary work?

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Chungus · 15/07/2020 17:05

How is he obviously a relationship kind of guy?

yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:07

He has had one r/ship of a few years, then lots of a year/a few months etc etc. Guess what I am saying is he is not averse to dating so not just a quick lay. Feel kinda horrible that I was in the latter category

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yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:09

I feel so pathetic and desperate - was messed around badly by last guy I was seeing (red flags galore from him I now see) and at a low ebb. And now this guy came along when I was low. I am keen for a relationship and hate the fact that that might be radiating off me. Why is it so impossible to find someone decent. I am super caring, kind, funny (I am told!), empathetic, have lots of friends, not bad looking?! I do get a good bit of attention when I go out etc. Why is that not gf material haha

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yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:09

Apologies btw for the serious pity party

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TwentyViginti · 15/07/2020 17:09

You only know what's TOLD you. You have no idea if he's a 'relationship kinda guy'

And dolling yourself up to 'wow' him is just ridiculous. Value yourself more, work on yourself and put this man in the experience bucket, and move on.

Chungus · 15/07/2020 17:12

You don't really know what relationships he's been in though. I don't think the time of day has anything to do with it. He considered it was all adding up to a shag and cut ties when he realised it wasn't.

backseatcookers · 15/07/2020 17:17

Don't date when you're feeling really low. It's a recipe for disaster as it leaves you vulnerable to being more hurt than usual to both love bombing and criticism / rejection.

WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo · 15/07/2020 17:18

"he made an offhand comment about a dream he had where his cards in poker had been flipped/he had shown his hand and got angry as he wanted his money back"

I doubt this was offhand. He paid so you owed him sex (in his mind) he didnt get it so he felt cheated.

Think you can count yourself lucky you escaped that one.

yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:19

@WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo

"he made an offhand comment about a dream he had where his cards in poker had been flipped/he had shown his hand and got angry as he wanted his money back"

I doubt this was offhand. He paid so you owed him sex (in his mind) he didnt get it so he felt cheated.

Think you can count yourself lucky you escaped that one.

Why on earth would you say that though?!
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yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:20

As in, thats exactly what I thought too but the parallels are obvious. Why would you actually announce that the next morning. what could I possible say in response, I'll bank transfer you my half lol?

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Chungus · 15/07/2020 17:22

Because he's a piece of shit and never really cared. Possibly also thought you were thick and it would go over your head. He knew he was going to ghost you and didn't care of he all but said it. He felt entitled.

yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:29

@Chungus

Because he's a piece of shit and never really cared. Possibly also thought you were thick and it would go over your head. He knew he was going to ghost you and didn't care of he all but said it. He felt entitled.
Thats quite offensive, Im not thick and he implied at other points that I wasnt e.g. he said oh I bet you got straight As in your A levels etc (I did), he knows Im in a good job etc. But yeah I guess he is a PoS. Im not sure why I didnt just leave then?! He made me a cup of tea and we had a chat stiill... Then I messaged saying thanks for a lovely time. What a fool!!!!!
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Chungus · 15/07/2020 17:32

To be clear, I don't think you're thick!

AnnaSW1 · 15/07/2020 17:32

@yrostorh6 please don't contact him again. He's made it clear he's not interested.

AnnaSW1 · 15/07/2020 17:33

Just keep on looking. It really is a numbers game. You'll find someone who's great for you.

yrostorh6 · 15/07/2020 17:40

Thanks all, yes what I needed to hear. I wont be contacting him dont worry. I am just trying to interpret what his message was as it implied he wanted something casual. Would anyone actually say oh yes sounds great to that?! Surely not

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Crystalspider · 15/07/2020 17:50

Don't over analyse what you did wrong, you didn't do anything wrong, only being yourself, even if you did glam yourself up more, the chances are he would still feel the same, besides you want someone to want you exactly as you are!
You just wasn't right for him, the right man will make you feel special and attractive.
Anyway sounds like a knob, who wants to know how beautiful his ex's are, not the kind of thing you say to a date!
No need to respond, just leave it.

Hiccupiscal · 15/07/2020 17:55

@yrostorh6

Thanks all, yes what I needed to hear. I wont be contacting him dont worry. I am just trying to interpret what his message was as it implied he wanted something casual. Would anyone actually say oh yes sounds great to that?! Surely not
ive read the whole thread, and please op - youre thinking way too much into this. You don't know the guy, only what he's told you.... The only thing you do know is "he just not that into you...."

Doesn't matter what you did/said/how "try hard" you are... this is not about you. Its about him...

At best he told you upfront and didnt mess you around anymore, at worst he wasted your time.

Any advice?... keep your dates shorter. Cards closer to your chest. Dont put all your eggs in one basket.

To me there sounds like alot of red flags and personally traits of a future abusive partner...
Trauma bonding, being a listening ear.. meanwhile telling you he was into "beautiful women" ...only stayed with them for looks.. projecting all his failed relationships as thier fault, and what kind of person openly admits to staying with someone as a trophy?!

IMO you've had a lucky escape.

I'm sure you are all the things you say you are, but you don't quite belive it op... and its about time you do. Having a relationship can be lovely, but of you continue down this road of "whats wrong with me" you're more likely to find yourself in a relationship that's not equal or worse, abusive.

Well done for not sleeping with him... i have a feeling if you had, you would have still ended up in this same position, just wondering if you did something wrong by jumping into bed with him...

And absolutely DO NOT message him about meeting up. Youre not friends and youre clearly hanging on, hoping that if you meet then things would progress. You've said yourself you've got plenty of friends, you don't need this man - and all you'll do is make yourself look more emotionally needy, and if the offer of friendship isn't reciprocated, its just another rejection to you. DONT DO IT.

LessCumbersome · 15/07/2020 17:56

He really does sound like a knob. The poker comment was to make you feel like a disappointment.... There's no other way to interpret that. Because he didn't get out of the situation what he had expected from his investment.

If he works in a listening profession he is even more aware of how that comment could and would be taken.

The comment about nothing serious was so you could set your expectations appropriately low and in the event you did go out again, be more likely to sleep with him

This man is not kind. I really don't think he is.

You have more self esteem than some women. Seriously , good on you for blocking him . You did amazing to do that. I few flutters of doubts or overthinking aside, you did the right thing. A relationship with him sounds like a massive head fuck and you be missing seeing someone kind.

MyBassIsAce · 15/07/2020 17:59

I agree with the comments others have made.

Your response was perfect - was going to suggest something similar. Don't ruin it by contacting him in a few weeks. You don't really want to be his friend and he isn't a friend to you.

He won't see it as a 'friend' request, he'll see it as ulyou being interested in him still and he'll know he can take advantage.

Just leave it now and drink less in future... Wink

Candyfloss99 · 15/07/2020 18:04

Soon as he mentioned his exes and what they looked like I'd have been gone. Sounds like he was just messing with you the whole time. Some men get off on this. Definitely not someone you would ever want to meet again or be friends with.

Sssloou · 15/07/2020 18:14

He sounds unhinged - v dark and manipulative. He has left you really unsettled - that was his aim.

I agree with PP that he was trying to fast track an abusive RS with trauma bonding (seems he has had some level of success).

I think he will be back.

The ghosting is just one part of the process. I would block and delete his number and check all of your privacy settings on SM.

If he does make contact - do not engage. If he persists contact the police.

FeelinSpendy · 15/07/2020 22:23

I reckon he uses what he’s learned in his profession to play with women and manipulate them into bed. You didn’t fall for it so he cut things off. Even with the drink in the morning he was probably hoping you’d see what a ‘nice’ guy he was and would sleep with him. When you left without doing so, he decided his games wouldn’t work on you so cut his losses and moved on to the next woman.

SoulofanAggron · 15/07/2020 22:36

I wouldn't let guys pay for things unequally at first (no matter how much they insisted) because his comment about his dream sounded like he expected something in return for buying some meals. To think anyone would be like that these days! How naff and tacky of him.