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He refuses to end it... but he’s ignoring me

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WineInTheSun · 12/07/2020 14:10

Trying to keep this as brief as I can.

I met a guy on an app, really interesting and successful. A lot older than me (late 40s, I’m in my twenties) but we had so much in common. We FaceTimed for 2 hours a day, for around 3 weeks. He told me his longest relationship was on/off for 2 years, he’s never done the marriage/kids thing.

He seemed perfect- when I requested he had an STI test prior to us meeting he did just that and email me copies of his certificates. He did say he had doubts about my age as he wanted something serious and wondered if at my age I would really want that, I aalssured him I did.

He then paid for me to visit him at his second him in Europe for 5 days- we had an amazing time. Lots of eating out, he toasted over every drinks ‘to many more times here with you’ and even introduced me to his friends, twice! I went for dinner with him and some of his friends and then again I went to a party at his friend’s home. We were introduced as a couple. We only had sex twice in the 5 days as he was honest- with his age and alcohol consumption he can’t always perform. I accepted this as part and parcel of an older man. But he was otherwise still affectionate, cuddling in bed etc. He did mention an ex messaged him asking for money (he is wealthy) and then we had a conversation about exes, etc and he said he had taken my advice and responded to her request based on this. He said his greatest regrets were girls he dated 20 years ago whom he could have had university aged children with by now.

At the party with his friends, a friend of his (female) said to me ‘you know he just really wants kid? He’s with you because he thinks you would be a good mother’. I let this slip and kind of laughed/agreed I hope to have children.

The next day it was time for me to fly back to the U.K., I was hungover but said I had a lovely time and he said ‘it will be great to have you back sometime’ he told me to message him when safely on the flight etc.

So I did... and he asked if I was feeling better. Once home j knew something wasn’t right in the evening, so I messaged saying ‘do you want to see me again as I like you?’ And helps response was ‘we need to talk’. I panicked and tried to call him which he ignored. On the Monday I sent a lengthy message stating I felt anxious about having had unprotected sex, I had trusted he would keep in touch/was serious etc and to say if he does not want to see me again or speak to me to which he responded ‘let’s speak tomorrow’. I then ignored him for 2 days- he then messaged asking how I was saying he was conscious we hadn’t spoken and he hoped I felt better. I then responded saying I felt he had been intentionally cruel to leave me on edge like this, wondering and I felt hurt.

He replied ‘sorry you’re hurt! I’ll call!’
So he called 2 days ago and said essentially that he just needed time, he’s not good at communicating and sometimes he does this. I told him ‘I am not a mind reader and how do I know that? If you don’t want to see me then just say! Because what you have done is cruel’. He was adamant though that he does want to see me, he said ‘ I don’t want this to be the call to end all calls, that’s why I wouldn’t say that. I just needed time.... I hope to see you again.... I might be in the U.K. next week.... I just need time....’

He’s an older guy who has broke up with women in the past, there is no reason why he wouldn’t break up with me. So why is he not? Why the insistence of oh no I don’t want to not see you but now barely contacting me? I pointed out to him that he used to give me 2 hours of his time a day, nothing that significant has changed from what I know to which he replied ‘I know, I just needed time to think, see where this will go etc....’. Why introduce me twice to married friends if the plan was always to end it? I’m so confused. I really liked him and don’t know whether he’s trying to politely dump me (makes no sense why he won’t say this though) or if he is a massive commitment phobe and that’s why he’s never married/kids so is pulling back?

OP posts:
WineInTheSun · 12/07/2020 17:23

I liked him because he was attractive, intelligent and confident. We had quite a lot in common in terms of interests and opinions. Including a niche interest (not sexual!).

He made me laugh and seemed honest, I liked that he was upfront and he made me laugh/was good company on the trip. He was attentive too (making sure I had water, checking I was ok about food, little things)

OP posts:
BIWI · 12/07/2020 17:36

My God - reading some of your other posts shows that you have some serious self-esteem issues.

And you're a nurse! FFS, you must know the risk you have of getting pregnant - are you sure you didn't sleep with him without protection deliberately so that you'd get pregnant? You've already had one abortion which has clearly affected you mentally, and you've found yourself an OW on more than one occasion.

I think you need counselling so that you can end this destructive behaviour.

LonginesPrime · 12/07/2020 17:42

He's a fuckwit, you got played.

But you also sound bonkers, OP - why on earth would you have unprotected sex with a stranger, especially when you're not even using any birth control?

Please think about your body and your health, OP - there are a million guys like him out there, just waiting to have unprotected sex with any random who offers it up. And if they're having unprotected sex with you on a first date, you can bet your life they're doing it with hundreds of others too.

Dery · 12/07/2020 17:43

@WineInTheSun - you’re saying you realise you’ve been used but, unless I’ve missed it, you’ve said nothing to suggest you realise how incredibly risky what you did was. He could so easily have done away with you. He was taking much less of a risk in that regard than you were. It’s not equivalent.

You also took an incredible risk sexually. When I was about 18, my dad told me never to believe what a man tells you about his sex life. Not really what you want to hear from your dad but every time I’ve had a chance to test that theory over the years on behalf of friends and on behalf of myself (probably about 20-25 occasions), it’s been true. I think it comes from some misplaced in-built conviction that men are ‘naughtier’ than women and they need to sanitise their history or that the woman will be hugely jealous of their past and question them about it. In particular, a man like this will tell you what he thinks is most likely to get you into bed with him. It’s bloody irritating. So you should always use a condom until you’re in a well-established relationship. Yes, most STIs can be got rid of with antibiotics but they still have some very unpleasant symptoms and can impact on fertility. And herpes can’t be cured. Doesn’t matter how good the sex is, no casual sex is worth paying such a high price for, surely. Unplanned pregnancies are not for the faint hearted either.

MarioPuzo · 12/07/2020 17:45

DianaT1969

Gosh, he saved about £3000 in sex worker fees. OP, you seriously need to wise up. Either become a well-paid sex worker and fly around Europe during Covid having unprotected sex with strangers, or stop doing this risky sht. Don't you have any friends or family to tell you when you are doing bonkers things?*

This ^^

OP what are you doing? You are being breathtakingly naive. Obviously he was using you as a cheap escort; you only cost him a flight and a couple of meals. He probably had a vasectomy after his kids were born and just told you all the baby stuff so you wouldn't insist on using condoms. He is scum, and you are taking huge risks with your health. Please have a serious think about why you allowed this complete creep to manipulate you into this risky situation.

PAND0RA · 12/07/2020 17:46

@WineInTheSun - are you the nurse who keeps having affairs with older married colleagues ? I remember you.

You need to stop dating ( online or otherwise ) and get some counselling. You are caught up in very unhealthy patterns of behaviour - Please get some help.

Bodgedboxdye · 12/07/2020 17:47

@BIWI how do you know all that? 🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️

BIWI · 12/07/2020 17:47

[quote Bodgedboxdye]@BIWI how do you know all that? 🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️[/quote]
Advanced Search is a very useful tool ...

Bodgedboxdye · 12/07/2020 17:52

@BIWI is that in the normal search section? (:

HatRack · 12/07/2020 18:01

@CorianderLord

Sounds like a man who loses interest after he sleeps with women
This.

His longest ever relationship was two years and he's in his late 40s? Hello!

LonginesPrime · 12/07/2020 18:03

BIWI, there's no need to be so shitty.

OP clearly has issues, but dragging up all her other posts and humiliating her is a really low thing to do - especially when you yourself acknowledge that her issue is low self-esteem.

Jeez.

DarkmilkAddict · 12/07/2020 18:04

Oh god the phrase ‘pump and dump’ makes me want to puke and cry simultaneously Sad

How can you tell in advance??

CuppaZa · 12/07/2020 18:10

I instantly got the impression this was a transaction. Like prostitution.

OP, he is an arsehole and head fuck, but you sound incredibly naive. Get tested and take this as a lesson learned

BIWI · 12/07/2020 18:12

Shitty? Don't think so. Pointing out a pattern of self-destructive behaviour more like.

NotaCoolMum · 12/07/2020 18:25

Op don’t just “ignore him and delete his chat”... BLOCK HIM so he has NO way to contact you!!! 💐

ShitStain · 12/07/2020 18:26

He love bombed you.

He flew you out to his 2nd home. (Wife and kids hidden away in 1st one)

Paid a fraction of what it would cost to hire an escort who does bareback for 5 days.

Loses interest when you leave.

Headandheart · 12/07/2020 18:28

So if you are pregnant, what then?

PAND0RA · 12/07/2020 18:29

Actually I thought @BIWI s post was very helpful and showed concern about a pattern of behaviour. I think everyone on this thread is worried about the OPs safety.

Ori37 · 12/07/2020 19:34

I bet he’s married too. He’s got a wife in the UK residence but shagging you abroad, playing King of the Manor. Run for the hills!!!!

MrsDJ30 · 12/07/2020 19:59

@BIWI is on it.

STI Certificates? These prove nothing?
A) could be fake
B) a bit like covid, be negative one hour and catch it the next

And so maybe he’s not riddled, but what exactly was wrong with using protection?

OP, this is not normal behaviour. No way.

Crystalspider · 12/07/2020 20:01

He's in his 40's and never had a relationship longer than 2 years and that was on/off, this guy doesn't want to be in one, too immature despite his age.
The friend was talking rubbish, maybe she was saying what you thought you'd like to hear.

chubbyhotchoc · 12/07/2020 20:09

You're completely nuts. Seriously, get your self worth off the damn floor and never be this stupid again.

Mittens030869 · 12/07/2020 22:58

I hope you are listening to the advice on here, OP, and that you do get how stupid you've been with this man. Thankfully, you came out of this safely (apart from feeling humiliated), so please chalk this up to experience.

This thread makes me feel very sad, that your self esteem is so low that you'll allow yourself to be treated this badly and still convince yourself that this is someone who actually cares for you. (I have 2 DDs and I would be heartbroken, and very worried, if one of them travelled overseas at the say-so of a man who was basically a stranger.)

Do you have someone in RL who will look out for you? And who will tell you the truth when you make unwise decisions? And who will have your back if things go pear shaped?

rvby · 12/07/2020 23:17

Oh op. Have you ever had counselling? You desperately need to take better care of yourself. You are very naive and vulnerable, please please take care.

It just seems bizarre that he will not outright say I don’t want to see/speak to you again etc - honestly if these are the types of questions that you're having after this experience, then that's extremely worrying. He is a stranger. He has no need or interest in saying anything to you, be it the truth or a lie or anything really. He has already copped on that you're hugely vulnerable and that the more he ignores you, probably the more desperate you will be to please him, meaning an easy shag when he checks back into England. He is probably married and likes to have a few shags lined up for fun in various places. This is blunt, but you must have been really trying not to notice all this? Please be more careful with yourself. You cant just trust random strangers like this, you'll end up murdered.

DarkmilkAddict · 13/07/2020 08:39

OP I hope these responses aren’t hurting you too much, people mean well Flowers

I had a friend who did exactly what you did, travelled abroad to have sex with a stranger she’d met online. He promised a lovely weekend at his, but when she got there he refused to take her home, made her pay for a hotel, had (selfish) sex with her that night, then ghosted her Sad

She was abused by her father and has no boundaries with sex/men or in any other area of life. I feel for her but had to distance myself eventually. Please look after yourself and maybe run these ideas past an honest friend.

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