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My boyfriend keeps making hurtful comments then retreating them. What is going on?

41 replies

Itsazooonheretoday · 08/07/2020 22:19

We speak every day, we stay over at each other’s houses two nights a week, we go on holiday together (short breaks 2-5 days) we have met each other’s friends and family. This has been happening for 2 years. He has grown up DC and I have teenagers.

He told me he loved me 6 months ago (Initiated it) for a period of two weeks, then stopped. He vacillates between being quite obsessive about me to being completely distant. At times he has swung from telling me he loves me and I am the love of his life to saying I “should not take the relationship too seriously.” He has also told me “I don’t feel a great need to be around you. It seems to be the connection is stronger from your side.” He will also compare me unfavourably with his exes out of the blue (“well Katherine would never have dreamed of doing something like that,”) and he has a habit of calling me a “normal person” when comparing me to other people, (“well she was like a film star... it was ridiculous. I mean a proper film star face and body, not a normal person like you.”)

When he says things like this I withdraw. As soon as I withdraw he gets very upset and bombards me with calls and messages and visits and says that I have misunderstood him and what he means. The resolution of the question of why he does it is always that he is not good at expressing himself, that things come out wrong, that he actually meant something different to what case across. There is also an element of him implying I am being sensitive but it’s not in an accusing “it’s your fault” way.

Whatever stage of the cycle we are at with his feelings he will - like clockwork - call me at 6pm every day and text/call me all evening on the nights we don’t see each other. I will always see him on average two nights a week. If we have ever broken away from that pattern it’s been when I have withdrawn due to his unbalancing comments and he has desperately scrabbled to get me back involved again.

The only conclusion I can seem to reach is that he is deeply insecure and must enjoy imbalance or the thrill of almost losing me and then getting me back again. I was very upset by it in the first part of our relationship but now it’s so predictable I will put the phone down on a hurtful comment and cut him off and wait for the bombardment of apologies and corrections.

I don’t need anyone to tell me it’s unhealthy (I can see that!) but I’m wondering why you think he does it. Is this a type? What usually happens? Ultimately even if he recorrects these comments and says he doesn’t really mean them, it takes a toll on my self esteem and wears it down over time because even if they are retracted I still remember them. Is that his purpose?

OP posts:
HandsOffMyRights · 08/07/2020 22:23

You deserve better OP.
This is not a healthy, equal relationship.

AMostExcellentStick · 08/07/2020 22:27

Yes, wearing you down is his purpose. He wants to keep you on your toes - treats you badly so that you lose self esteem, then tells you he loves you so that you'll be grateful for that love because he's trying to teach you that you don't deserve it.

He is wrong. The thing you don't deserve is an arsehole boyfriend who thinks it is ok to treat someone like this. Leave him. Show your teenagers that it is wrong to treat someone badly, and that they should stand up for themselves in a relationship.

Windmillwhirl · 08/07/2020 22:27

Good grief. Why are you putting up with this? He enjoys putting you down and keeping you down. How have you stuck with this crap for so long?

Dollyrocket · 08/07/2020 22:29

Whilst I can see why you’d want to analyse the basis of his behaviour, or figure out what ‘type’ of person he is.. I’m wondering what the point is?

If you know the relationship is having such an overarching negative affect on your self worth, why bother?

It shouldn’t be this shit!

Noidea2114 · 08/07/2020 22:30

Ltb

coasterboaster · 08/07/2020 22:31

RUN!!!!!

(Are you dating my ex? You poor thing.)

coasterboaster · 08/07/2020 22:33

Oh, and yes, it's a type. Please take a look at the freedom programme.

PammieDooveOrangeJoof · 08/07/2020 22:33

I got as far as the whole ‘normal person vs film star’ and thought wtaf?! He’d be gone for that alone. What a douche.

Janaih · 08/07/2020 22:36

Yep, this is called negging. A well used tactic by sexist wankers to keep women compliant.

user135664323455 · 08/07/2020 22:37

Coercive control.

It gives him power and control over you.

Janaih · 08/07/2020 22:38

Also please LTB Flowers. Dont even give him the courtesy of a reason, just say the relationship isn't working for you. Not negotiable.

Aquamarine1029 · 08/07/2020 22:40

What a horrible, pointless relationship. Why are you tolerating this?

BlueTide · 08/07/2020 22:43

What is going on? You ask
Emotional abuse is going on
Control is going on.
Run for the hills OP - this sounds so familiar
Look up gas lighting
He is playing mind games with you.
Find someone who will treat you better.
You may never know 'why' he is doing it, and don't need to, because when people do this in this way to this extent and it hurts you like it does, you don't need to know why. Listen to your pain and hurt.

SugarMiceInTheRain · 08/07/2020 22:44

Oh please don't put up with this. He's messing with you mentally. This sounds so emotionally draining and tortuous. Bin him, you deserve better.

SoulofanAggron · 08/07/2020 22:48

A = The only conclusion I can seem to reach is that he is deeply insecure and must enjoy imbalance or the thrill of almost losing me and then getting me back again

B= takes a toll on my self esteem and wears it down over time because even if they are retracted I still remember them. Is that his purpose?

I think it's very much B. He's knocking you down to make himself feel big. It's abuse.

It's not a matter of enjoying nearly losing you, it's the thrill of seeing what he can get away with and you still keep coming back.

It's probably narcissistic.

Block now please.

Dery · 08/07/2020 22:51

"Yep, this is called negging. A well used tactic by sexist wankers to keep women compliant."

This. It's not about his insecurity. It's about manipulating you and making you feel insecure so you're just hugely grateful that he's dating you despite the fact that you're only 'normal' and don't look like a film star. He thinks that the less secure you feel in the relationship, the more grateful to him you will be for actually being with you and the more casually and unkindly he can treat you and the more bullshit he can dump on you. He probably also thinks you will be more desperate to please him and win his approval if he makes you feel insecure than would be the case if he boosted your confidence.

It's abusive behaviour. You might find it interesting to read "The Mind of the Intimate Male Abuser: How He Gets into Her Head". There are millions of non-abusive men out there. You deserve better than this, OP.

Crystalspider · 08/07/2020 22:54

Yep knocking your self confidence down to build his up so you should somehow feel grateful that your with him.
The only way it will stop is when you take the power off him and bin him and never look back.

StormTreader · 08/07/2020 22:55

Next time he tries to "win you back over", refuse. Refuse and stay cold for a decent amount of time and I suspect you'll suddenly see the rage-filled controller that's underneath all of this emerge and give you a barrage of abuse.

Once you've seen it, remember it, and tell him to get lost for good.

lurker2003 · 08/07/2020 22:59

Sounds like my ex, please don’t stay.

Onemansoapopera · 08/07/2020 23:07

Ok so we know his game.

Let's come to you. What is the point of withdrawing if you keep going back? You repeatedly reward his behaviour. Why?

Itsazooonheretoday · 08/07/2020 23:21

So I presume I withdraw because it puts us back in the honeymoon period, rather than the period where he is saying these unkind things. I am at the point where I am not looking to marry and I already have DC and I’d just like a nice relationship and travel / enjoyment with a partner. So there is a point of least resistance here where I can withdraw and get the nice person back.

But the fact I even have to withdraw and absorb the mean comments in the first place, is obviously very wearing

OP posts:
callysuper · 08/07/2020 23:28

Speaking from experience, and someone who's done a lot of research into these types of personalities, this push-pull behaviour is classic narcissistic stuff. The thing you need to know is that the nice things are the false things - the mean stuff is who he really is. It's very common for victims to want to get the 'real' nice him back, when really those sweet words/actions are just what a narc abuser say/do to entice you in.

I'm also a single mother and only ever wanted a kind man to hang out with. No relationship should leave you on pins, questioning yourself. Ever. If you're not ready to leave immediately (I understand it's hard), I strongly advise making notes of every time he's difficult or makes you feel bad. They'll make for reassuring reading in the future. Good luck xx

Onemansoapopera · 08/07/2020 23:40

From my own experience what you describe is a hiding to nowhere and the law of diminishing returns. The honeymoon period will get shorter and shorter.. I had a 4 year relationship like this , that ended in me getting cheated on. I know you feel like you're not asking for much and I get it, I wasn't either. But you're due more than jump starting your relationship repeatedly and the weariness it brings Happily married now to my lovely DH , I can't even imagine why I stuck that long with ex. Honestly OP you're due more than this. You're asking for little and getting even less here.

Cherrysoup · 08/07/2020 23:44

Why are you tolerating this?

peachesandoranges · 09/07/2020 07:57

I just ended a relationship where I had to withdraw, as you say, multiple times because of his behaviour. He also negged, in a different way, along with other red flags. If I wasn't withdrawing because of some comment he made, it was because of some insane argument, at which point he also withdrew (I had never experienced that before and felt like it was sulking/silent treatment on his side). We would withdraw sometimes for days or a few weeks on end.

I often withdrew because I couldn't face trying to tell him what was wrong, as I knew there would be another argument, or I was "being too sensitive" by not liking his latest patronising/condescending behaviour or stupid jokes.

Unfortunately as we didn't communicate every time I "withdrew" and took a few days to myself for once (as we saw each other far too often) it was blamed on me and me having issues. Always.

The thing is, for two years I have way too much head space to this guy. I have had previous abusive relationships many years ago but nothing quite like this one. The ups and downs, withdrawal periods, etc. No violence but the weirdest dynamic ever.

Your boyfriend sounds like a negging, immature, emotionally stunted dick. These men neg because they are insecure, because they have no respect for you, and likely due to some ingrained sexism.

I am so glad to be finally free from my arsehole. Please consider whether you really want to continue to be with somebody who is an insidious, low-grade bully, or whether you are worth more than that and deserve more.