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My boyfriend keeps making hurtful comments then retreating them. What is going on?

41 replies

Itsazooonheretoday · 08/07/2020 22:19

We speak every day, we stay over at each other’s houses two nights a week, we go on holiday together (short breaks 2-5 days) we have met each other’s friends and family. This has been happening for 2 years. He has grown up DC and I have teenagers.

He told me he loved me 6 months ago (Initiated it) for a period of two weeks, then stopped. He vacillates between being quite obsessive about me to being completely distant. At times he has swung from telling me he loves me and I am the love of his life to saying I “should not take the relationship too seriously.” He has also told me “I don’t feel a great need to be around you. It seems to be the connection is stronger from your side.” He will also compare me unfavourably with his exes out of the blue (“well Katherine would never have dreamed of doing something like that,”) and he has a habit of calling me a “normal person” when comparing me to other people, (“well she was like a film star... it was ridiculous. I mean a proper film star face and body, not a normal person like you.”)

When he says things like this I withdraw. As soon as I withdraw he gets very upset and bombards me with calls and messages and visits and says that I have misunderstood him and what he means. The resolution of the question of why he does it is always that he is not good at expressing himself, that things come out wrong, that he actually meant something different to what case across. There is also an element of him implying I am being sensitive but it’s not in an accusing “it’s your fault” way.

Whatever stage of the cycle we are at with his feelings he will - like clockwork - call me at 6pm every day and text/call me all evening on the nights we don’t see each other. I will always see him on average two nights a week. If we have ever broken away from that pattern it’s been when I have withdrawn due to his unbalancing comments and he has desperately scrabbled to get me back involved again.

The only conclusion I can seem to reach is that he is deeply insecure and must enjoy imbalance or the thrill of almost losing me and then getting me back again. I was very upset by it in the first part of our relationship but now it’s so predictable I will put the phone down on a hurtful comment and cut him off and wait for the bombardment of apologies and corrections.

I don’t need anyone to tell me it’s unhealthy (I can see that!) but I’m wondering why you think he does it. Is this a type? What usually happens? Ultimately even if he recorrects these comments and says he doesn’t really mean them, it takes a toll on my self esteem and wears it down over time because even if they are retracted I still remember them. Is that his purpose?

OP posts:
BlueJava · 09/07/2020 08:31

He does it because he wants to control you and he's not a nice person. All this pulling you in, pushing you away is to mess with your mind - which it is. Please think about whether or not you'd be better off without him - personally I'd dump because he's not good for you and doesn't want an equal relationship.

BurtsBeesKnees · 09/07/2020 08:34

It's a form of abuse. I'd strongly recommend you call it a day on the relationship, this is t a healthy relationship.

RandomWordsandaNumber5 · 09/07/2020 09:24

If you haven’t encountered negging before, then it can be quite difficult to see the pattern and upsetting.
Suggest you google it, if you’re not familiar, and things might start to fall into place.

It’s designed to keep you off balance and him in charge. It’s profoundly nasty behaviour - I speak from experience years ago but I still remember it.
It didn’t get better for me and I doubt that it will for you.
Is this what you want?

ButteryPuffin · 09/07/2020 09:29

It all sounds very tiring. Surely you could get the nice bits with a different partner?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/07/2020 09:30

He does it because he can. Simple as. What did he see at home too?. His dad probably meted out the same negging treatment to his mum so can be learnt behaviour. Such men who do this to women hate women, ALL of them.

You know this is in no way a healthy relationship. This man targeted you deliberately. I would also suggest you enrol yourself onto the Freedom Programme run by Womens Aid as such men can and do further erode perhaps already weakened boundaries.

Deathraystare · 09/07/2020 13:49

He has grown up DC and I have teenagers.

How the hell did he manage that, being such a child himself???!!

I bet you he did the same to his ex.

Opentooffers · 09/07/2020 15:46

If you've got to the point of withdrawing on purpose to get the 'honeymoon phase' back, that is messed up and because you are craving the high after he's caused the low ( can be addictive). I doubt this is what you do, as you've already said that his comments are hurtful, so that is why you withdraw, that is a normal response.
What is not good on your side, is knowing the pattern well, and still going back for more, rather than ending it. Perhaps think about why you stay and put up with it, when most wouldn't? This says as much about you.
You can find travel partners that actually make you feel good about yourself, all the time, without making you feel shit, but to find one you need to bin off this one. The cycle only changes when you decide to get off the bike, he will not change.

rvby · 09/07/2020 16:05

At best, he has learned a messed up way of getting intimacy from relationships. This pattern may be the only way he can allow himself tenderness and closeness - by abusing first and then using the aftermath of apologies etc to enjoy the warm feelings of love.

This isn't an excuse though. It's just an explanation for how abusive behavior is surfacing over and over.

He needs dumping before he raises the stakes so high that you end up in really nasty situations with him. Men like this escalate the abuse over time to keep the "high" of seeing you sad and affected by their nastiness. It never stays low level, it always worsens over time.

cheeseaddict420 · 09/07/2020 16:49

OP you can find companionship and a travel partner - even a sex partner - who doesn't do this bollocks. Do you like this little game as well? Because I just don't understand why you would put up with this fuckery. I hope for your sake the sex is amazing!

Ladyface · 09/07/2020 16:55

Dump him. He will only get worse. He is chipping away at the boundaries of what you will put up with.

Bunnymumy · 09/07/2020 17:02

There is no nasty and nice side to him.
He is all nasty. The 'nice' is the mask.

He is trying to wear you down. And he will succeed.

He is disorderd (likely a narcissist or similar) and it is unhealthy and potentially dangerous to keep this person in your life and that of your kids.

Dont try and understand him. He is not like you.
Dont moderate your behaviour in order to try and control it (attempting to put a lead on a dog with rabies is just stupid). Please get yourself out asap.

tsmainsqueeze · 09/07/2020 17:12

I got as far as 2nd paragraph and thought -you are wasting your time with a man like this, he will chip away at you until you are no longer you !
Get rid asap ,a good relationship should feel like coming home . Good luck x

billy1966 · 09/07/2020 17:20

OP,
I appreciate you wantbto understand why this twit is so nasty, but your time would be much better spent figuring out why your relationship bar is so unbelievably low.

Why on earth would you spend 2 years listening to his nastiness?

NearlyGranny · 09/07/2020 17:24

Agree with PPs that he's 'negging'. It's done to manage your expectations and keep you perpetually off-balance. It's dishonest, manipulative and deeply unpleasant behaviour. He is totally lacking in respect for you.

If you want a fun companion to enjoy travel and activities with, you need to start looking for one because this twisted individual will never be someone you can relax and have a good time with, will he? You'll always be waiting for the spite to show itself.

Just tell him you want to have a nice time with a normal person and you've realised he isn't someone who wants the same, so...

Bananalanacake · 09/07/2020 18:58

Thank God you don't live together, easier to get rid of him.

BrightNewLife · 09/07/2020 21:37

It's an abusive cycle but difficult to get one's head around because of the 'nice bits' and the making up that often go with it.

There's a known cycle of abuse, which goes Threat-Abuse-Victimisation-Euphoria.

The 'threat' doesn't have to be a physical threat, it can just be that bubbling bad mood that you know is brewing.

Then you'll get the actual 'abuse' - once again, doesn't have to be physical - it can be in the form of put-downs, sarky remarks, stonewalling, nasty comments, as you've been experiencing.

Then you'll get them playing the victim "You can't take a joke / But you said x / You're too sensitive / Can't you see I'm stressed / Other random shit that excuses their poor behaviour, often accompanied with sulking and moping so you enquire after them.

Then once they've won you round again, it's the honeymoon euphoria phase where everything is forgiven, maybe you cuddle up and watch a movie and times are good again - for a short while.

Once you spot it, this pattern is like clockwork. It's abusive and will simply get worse. Fantastic you don't live together: check out The Freedom Programme and Lundy Bancroft's book "Why Does He Do That" and Patricia Evan's superb book, "The Verbally Abusive Relationship".

You might not think it seems that 'bad' or that 'abuse' is too strong a word for it, but it's not. Good luck, you'll be great!

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