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How would you respond to this one?

60 replies

NoMoreDickheads · 30/06/2020 23:22

So this is something my ex-dickhead said and I know we've established he's a twat etc.

But I'm in a phase of evaluating how I'm going to respond in future to times when I'm not happy with something someone says/does, when they cross a boundary or fall into deal breaker territory as a lover or friend etc.

This is one situation- I must've been feeling a bit down/anxious about something and so I messaged around some of my facebook friends saying I wasn't feeling 100% or something and would like some support (I would've put it better than that though, and I must've been not my best as I really would hardly ever do that.)

I'd had 'Bob' as a FB friend for about 9 months or something, and met him through a group we'd both attended weekly for years.

He replied:-

It is refreshing that you ask for your emotional needs to be met so directly, but do not be upset if some people do not respond.

Shock Grin

I was pretty surprised at that as I thought it was rather cheeky. Don't get me wrong I don't demand anyone respond. But responding implying he wasn't going to respond and was implicitly making a point of his decision not to is rather ...'Bob' of him.

So, I've been thinking about how I would handle it if someone did something similar nowadays (hopefully will never happen as his character is quite rare, I've never met such a twat or whatever the narc is.)

How do you think you would respond?

I was thinking about 'I don't have friends that don't support me' but maybe that's not quite right? And then block as it's not a good sign.

I mean, I don't expect anyone to be my therapist or anything, but maybe an 'aww, sorry to hear that' if you say you're out of sorts is reasonable to ask of a friend or whatever?

Not to mention that the lack of support is one issue, the rubbing it in is another one.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people being able to choose what they do, but likewise I can choose not to accept some behaviours and tell them so or unfriend.

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Thecurtainsofdestiny · 01/07/2020 13:02

I think I would just have ignored his comment because he doesn't seem to be someone who has it in him to be understanding.

I would understand from his response that he considered our relationship to be a superficial one and I wouldn't want to open myself up to further comment from him.

NoMoreDickheads · 01/07/2020 13:44

I asked on a FB group I'm on and someone came up with this one. I think it's good as it doesn't come across as whiny, but makes the point:-

'Actually I am fortunate enough to have kind caring friends and we all respond when we reach out for support to each other.'

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NoMoreDickheads · 01/07/2020 15:24

@FizzyGreenWater Yes, to him personally. I msged a few people, but individually.

I quite like 'hope you feel better soon' lol.

How's about 'That's ok Bob, you don't need to worry, I messaged quite a few people and they've all responded supportively - well-adjusted people are the best. Smile Sorry to hear that you are struggling and can't cope with basic social interactions. Hope you feel better soon.'

'I was just replying in an arsey way because I wanted to'

I imagine that if he'd replied he would've tried to say he didn't mean it in an arsey way at all, IDK. But then, what more could we expect from a gaslighting narc?

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ChristmasFluff · 01/07/2020 19:45

I wouldn't have responded at all - I would have mentally downgraded him to 'acquaintance I don't give a shit about', then quietly FB unfriended him a few weeks later.

NoMoreDickheads · 01/07/2020 21:51

@ChristmasFluff That would've been a good plan- and saved me a lot of bollox later on. Smile

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IfIHadAHeart · 02/07/2020 00:25

If you put in the message that you’d also messaged other people, perhaps he assumed you’d not had a reply from them and was being genuine?

Rather than overanalysing comments made by this chap, I think you need to work on being well enough that you stop sending messages to near strangers on Facebook that are likely to be seen as attention-seeking.

NoMoreDickheads · 02/07/2020 00:46

@IfIHadAHeart No- he was being a dickhead honestly. He went on to do/say similar things several times and worse, making it clear he wasn't to be relied upon, when I was raped he didn't want to know and so on. Same for when I was in hospital and stuff. Despite using me for sex.

Also that wouldn't make sense due to the tenses used. If that had been the case I would've mentioned it in the message I sent him, and I didn't. Plus, if that was genuinely the case a decent person not being a dick wouldn't stop there, they would go on and go 'aww sorry to hear you're off colour' or something. He deliberately didn't even do that.

It's not something I make a habit of, just must've been going through a particularly rough time. I do more for my mental health than most people ever will, I've spent thousands on it and I'm not even earning due to it being a disability.

As I've already explained, the reason why I am looking at various times when I should've gone 'hang on a minute'' or got the measure of him or been more assertive, is not for the sake of it, it's to decide how I will approach it if people act dodgy or whatever in future, because I want to ensure that nothing like the bollox I've put up with from some men happens again.

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Lickmylegs0 · 02/07/2020 05:40

I think the best way to handle a future situation like this is - no response. Identify that’s it’s an unhelpful comment - and don’t engage further.

Lickmylegs0 · 02/07/2020 07:30

And I think (and sorry to mention it) - this man was married? I understand you feel angry towards him but - similarly there could be a lot of feelings of negativity and anger (e.g: from his wife) that could be directed towards you from your choice there. You need to be accountable and responsible for your actions. I would say your choice to engage with a married man/your motivation to contact him needs addressing more than this comment that he made. If you made this contact to a group of fb friends - about needing support - should this man have been included in the group?

AgentJohnson · 02/07/2020 07:30

Maybe it’s me and I don’t get the need for receiving validation from people you hardly know. However, if you really insist on answering you could have answered ‘thanks for the heads up but you needn’t have worried many have reacted with love and support’ and then block.

Lickmylegs0 · 02/07/2020 07:32

And apologies if I’m mistaken about this - but I’ve got a feeling you posted under another name, stating that he was married.

Pelleas · 02/07/2020 07:35

I'd have simply ignored it.

Candyfloss99 · 02/07/2020 07:37

I would have just blocked him. People who send messages like that enjoy putting people down. If you interacted with him further he would have relished bringing you down.

picklemewalnuts · 02/07/2020 07:54

You don't need to semaphore your decisions or push back unless the person is unavoidable in your life.
As he was avoidable, the boundaries thing to do is keep the acquaintanceship very superficial and stay away.

If he was unavoidable (brother?) you'd need to say something like 'gee, thanks for kicking me while I'm down. Next time just don't answer'
Or 'if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all'.

picklemewalnuts · 02/07/2020 07:57

There's no way to make a guy like him behave well around a vulnerable person like you were (assuming you are who I think you are). The only way to manage such a person is to stay well away.

I'd say actually that when you are unwell, stay away from people you don't have a long-standing relationship with.

Veganforlife · 02/07/2020 08:02

I’d respond by removing him of my Facebook page ,and having settings so only close friends could see what I wrote

Bluntness100 · 02/07/2020 08:10

Op how long ago was this? It does not appear recent. Do you understand why you’re still focusing on it and imagining responses?

We don’t know the guy, so the comment could have been coming from a supportive place, because he was right, some people won’t respond and he didn’t wish you to be upset if that was the case.

Or he could have been being a dick. The question is why does it still matter so much?

FartingNora · 02/07/2020 08:19

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Bouledeneige · 02/07/2020 08:49

I don't think I fully understand your OPs. Is this someone you then chose to get together with?

I also don't quite understand why you are wasting your time dwelling on what you should've said back? On here and fb. What's the point of over thinking and asking everyone how to respond to something that happened a while ago. Digging over and over hypothetical responses. Don't waste your life on past dramas, 'could'ves' and 'shouldves'. Get on with your life. We all have situations in our lives where we regret not having said something at the time. But we don't waste time going over and over them.

Yes his response was a bit rude. And maybe it was half true - maybe some of your friends didn't respond. And maybe they don't all respond now to your digging over the past. Better spend your time wondering why you then decided to have a relationship with him. Not that I'm suggesting you now start a whole FB debate about that. Self reflection is not a bad thing.

jessstan2 · 02/07/2020 08:54

It seems wrong to me to post something very personal where so many can see it, unless you have a different name on facebook.

WhereILiveIsWhereIStay · 02/07/2020 09:03

I think you're looking at it the wrong way. I agree you need to work on boundaries but not how to respond when someone hasn't given you support, but knowing what you should and shouldn't share and with whom.

LemonTT · 02/07/2020 09:07

OP, as others are saying you are focusing on the wrong thing. Where you went wrong in the past is that you reached out to someone who was not a close confident or a nice person.

The type of help you needed and wanted is best provided by professionals or emotionally intelligent friends who understand your illness and mental state.

Where you are going wrong at the moment is to be still focusing on this man and not yourself. You need to seek help with your thinking. Seek professional help not randoms like myself on social media.

Getting the last word and wanting to get the last word is not a healthy state of mind, it is narc behaviour. That’s why you can never win with them.

NoMoreDickheads · 02/07/2020 09:36

And I think (and sorry to mention it) - this man was married?

@Lickmylegs0 This incident was over a year before anything other than a friendship happened. What I am focussing is trying to avoid dodgy situations/people again, acting on things that can even be worse than red flags etc.

I understand you feel angry towards him but

This isn't about being angry about him though I am of course.) This is about how I avoid wankers in future.

your motivation to contact him needs addressing more than this comment that he made. If you made this contact to a group of fb friends - about needing support - should this man have been included in the group?

I didn't contact him in any inappropriate way at all with this message. I would've had no reason to know that he would respond in this weird way. Most people wouldn't. He was a friend/friendly aqualintance as far as I was concerned.

Maybe it’s me and I don’t get the need for receiving validation from people you hardly know.

It's not a matter of validation, I just wanted some supportive comments from friends And my reason for looking into this is just to avoid wrong'uns in future and to be assertive that I am worth treating better than this.

You don't need to semaphore your decisions or push back unless the person is unavoidable in your life.

@picklemewalnuts I did have to see him weekly across a room, but wouldn'tve had to speak to him. So you think I should just have unfriended? It would be just for my self worth that I would make any comment.

^There's no way to make a guy like him behave well around a vulnerable person like you were (assuming you are who I think you are). The only way to manage such a person is to stay well away.
I'd say actually that when you are unwell, stay away from people you don't have a long-standing relationship with.^

Yes, that's me I think. Agreed in that I need to recognise dodgy men (which to him would've been the first time he msged me 9 months before trying to pull me and acting sleazy, as he does to many women) at first sight/message and block immediately so they're not around at all at a later date if I get to a time when I can be exploited.

Op how long ago was this? It does not appear recent. Do you understand why you’re still focusing on it and imagining responses?

Because I'm in a phase of complete overhaul of how I handle boundaries, assertiveness, dodgy men etc. It's not about focussing on him as such, but on how I respond to any stuff I experience going forward. I think of other incidents with other men too and how I could better respond if various things happen again, name-calling etc. I think it's quite constructive at the moment, as I'm trying to think how I can deal with stuff in future. In the past I've usually led it slide even if a man (other men, I'm not just solely focussed on this one) was derogatory about my figure in the bedroom or anything.

So all I'm trying to do is overhaul my approach to have a better experience and avoid/not take people being wankers.

We don’t know the guy, so the comment could have been coming from a supportive place, because he was right, some people won’t respond and he didn’t wish you to be upset if that was the case.

He honestly wasn't, he was saying he personally wasn't going to respond with support etc, as I said before. Otherwise he would've followed it with 'sorry to hear you're not 100%' or whatever.

Hell would have frozen over before I’d subsequently entered into a relationship with Bob. Your twat radar is off OP

Yep, it wasn't even that my twat radar was off at first, I recognized it from the very start, but I for some reason didn't block/unfriend when he popped up, so he was still around to catch me at the wrong time.

What's the point of over thinking and asking everyone how to respond to something that happened a while ago

Because I'm trying to think how I might respond in future to when men are wankerish in any way etc. How many times do I have to say that to people? Grin I hope people can see what I mean. It's about how to protect my self worth and assert myself if anything unpleasant was said or done by other men/people I meet in future.

It's about boundaries and assertiveness and how I do it. It's not about him except in that he tends to provide some of the worst examples. But for instance I've had a bloke in the bedroom say 'well, they wouldn't pass the pencil test!' About my breasts. I am trying to think how I would respond to such wankerishness in future. In that particular example, , I think I would throw something round me, head towards the door so I was safe, (open it as I live in a tower block) and say to the person 'you can leave now.' Or if I didn't feel able to say anything in the moment, later I could've messaged them (which thankfully is a thing now- mobile phones/messenger weren't a thing in those days) say it wasn't ok maybe, or unfriend IDK. Unfortunately I was in a friendship group with that guy so not sure how I could have responded. Maybe 'If you think I'm that unattractive you can go home' or something.

It genuinely is a constructive thing, to think of ways I could respond to any situation in future.

But we don't waste time going over and over them.

I say for about the tenth or more time in this thread, this is just one example. why I'm considering it is about thinking how I will respond to people in future. It is about thinkiing how I will respond to people in future. It is about thinking how I will respond to people in future. Grin I get a think where writing/editing plays up sometimes so can't risk answering with another quote as it sometimes deletes bits, but yes, everyone else responded in a friendly way. Precisely, self reflection is not a bad thing. That is exactly what I am doing, thinking how I would respond to situations etc. I know why I ended up in a 'relationship' with him. I've thought plenty about that one.

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Lickmylegs0 · 02/07/2020 10:08

I think there is a difference between dwelling/over analysing/resenting (negative thought processes) - and a more positive analysis of the events in order to help you in the future. I’ve seen you offer great advice to others, and you always seem kind, constructive, helpful. I think you will get yourself to a very good space. What do you want in the future? What are you aiming towards?

NoMoreDickheads · 02/07/2020 10:21

@Lickmylegs0 Thanks. Obviously I'm not happy with various comments etc I've had from men over the years. But to me I think it's fascinating to think how to overhaul my personality/approach to respond to different situations.

Part of why anything plays on one's mind can be because one didn't respond. It's healthier to assert your right to be treated well in some way, even if it's just ignoring/unfriending/blocking. Messenger has the potential to be a godsend to people like me who aren't very assertive in the moment. I know some people might think it wrong to not always do things face to face, but I honestly am not always good at that, and people would probably always get one up on me in a face to face discussion/make more nasty comments.

In future I want to be treated well and block people at the first sign of bollox, in order to demonstrate to myself that I am worth more than that, and to protect myself.

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