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Best friend and ex H

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crocoonimper · 10/06/2020 13:57

This has been on my mind for a long time. Long post for context alert!

My H left last September. I am currently at the decrees nisi/consent order stage. (I have initiated the divorce).We have 3 teenagers. I was devastated and I still care deeply for him, we are amicable and had been married 21 years together for 25.

About 3 years ago our sex life took a bit of a nosedive as he was in to domination (me dominating him), never an issue as I enjoyed it to a point but it had got more and more extreme to the point where I felt “just me” wasn’t enough for him without the games. We had an honest chat and but he locked all the toys away and then his sex drive dropped right off. Things got much less intimate and I began to feel unattractive which had a knock on ongoing effect. I left a job I loved as I thought that was the issue (NHS) and ended up in a couple of new roles which were way more stressful and think I had a bit of a breakdown TBH. I am now back in the role I love.
My Mum was seriously I’ll in hospital Then recuperating with us for 3 months and then our 11 year old was groomed online with police involvement etc (he is a copper).
Throughout all of this he was amazing and supportive although there was underlying tensions between him and one of our teenage twin boys which was difficult as I was in the middle.

After Christmas 2018 and before NY he finally dropped the bombshell that he felt all the previous described had drained our relationship/spark was gone/not in love with me any more/no one else / yadda yadda yadda. We did couples counselling where I was able to talk about the sex issue etc but he had shut all his feelings up in a box and we got nowhere. So in 2019 we sold our home and both bought separate houses.

To my point.
Alongside all of this is my very close friend, let’s call her C. I have known her for around 8 years. We were initially part of our Mums group Doing loads of active stuff, camping, socialising etc and became really close. There was socialising as a foursome with her and her H.
Her relationship however was on the rocks and she started going through a really messy separation 2 years ago though which H and I Between us supported her as best we could. We lived down the road from each other and our house became a bit of a sanctuary . She and H get on really well - this never reallY bothered me until the Beast from the East time. I remember being out in the snow and watching him teasing her with snowballs and mucking around but walking on eggshells with me. That was the first time I ever had any doubts. I asked him outright about it and was given the don’t be daft talk. I trusted him implicitly and put that thought on ice.
Over the next year or so there were times where he would be alone with her such as group camping trips where they went down early and set up tents then sat in a bar doing work together waiting for me and the rest of the group to pitch up. Just bits and pieces.
I love C - she is still having a shit time and her kids are also really hard work with various issues. I trust her and I am almost positive that there is nothing going on.

However I was chatting to a mutual friend the other night and admitted to her that I felt awful for these thoughts but nonetheless. She said that it was clear as day to a lot of them that my H “lit up” when she was there and came out of his self constructed shell. That has shocked me a bit.

It’s such a strange situation to be in and it may be a moot point as we are divorcing but its really eating away at me that maybe he has a giant crush on her and does she know?

Argh anyone had anything similar? Xx

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MagnoliaJustice · 10/06/2020 16:46

It definitely sounds like he fancies her - and she is probably fully aware of this, and maybe even reciprocates his feelings. If other people have noticed, then perhaps they are on the brink of starting a relationship, now that they are both free agents. How would you cope with them becoming a couple? She can't be that good a friend to you, if she has been flirting with him over the years, from what you have said.

Trevsadick · 10/06/2020 16:56

I get feeling odd about it.

There isnt much about her or if she flirted back etc or what people thought of her behaviour.

I can get your feeling odd that in your marriages last years he was mooning over your friend. We all have crushes. But its not like he tried to doong anything to avoid being with her privately. Sounds like he actively pursued time alone with her.

I woildnt be happy either.

But i would be trying to find out if there is more from her point of view. That would be my priority. The marriage is over. But I would be wanting to know how kuch of a friend she actually was.

Sogoodfeelssobad · 10/06/2020 17:07

Where does the OP say that C was flirting MagnoliaJustice?
OP says that her husband and her friend get on well, that HE was teasing her in the snow and that HE lights up when he's with C. I don't think you should be questioning her as a friend because she gets on with the husband!
OP, I understand that it's really hard for you to imagine the 2 of them together, have you actually asked C about her feelings towards your ex husband ?

crocoonimper · 10/06/2020 21:50

Omg I just wrote a big reply to you all and then accidentally deleted it doh.
@MagnoliaJustice I don’t see flirting but as we have all been friends for so long we are pretty relaxed with each other. I trust C and I think she is very principled and I respect her integrity. However I think exH makes her feel looked after and makes her laugh, all the things her exH was incapable of doing. Is that wrong if they are friends? My dilemma
@Sogoodfeelssobad C and I support each other. She is drowning atm with difficult kids, home situation and useless depressed ex. I can’t bring this up it would destroy any trust and I do trust her.
@Trevsadick it was my birthday last week. Because H had the 13 yr old and one of the boys on our rota, we had a beach BBQ that involved 5 other Mum friends, him, the kids and C. Again my other friend noted that he was animated around C Butkus pleasant to the others. Strange vibe but he is a genuine guy who I think has lost his way. Do I rock the status quo Or just accept that he may feel something but she puts me first even if she is aware?

I’m lucky I have great friends and kids and work colleagues, most of these he shared and so he and Cs friendship is important to him....

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crocoonimper · 10/06/2020 21:54

Also @Sogoodfeelssobad I should say that C has always said she feels awkward that she and exH spend time together and he shops for her during the lockdown as she is highly anxious and he pops over for chats/helps her out. I always say not to worry as they are friends. But that horrible undercurrent of doubt... I don’t want to lose her as well.

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DileenODoubts · 10/06/2020 22:14

If they are both good people, it might be that it comes from having a genuine platonic connection. I ‘light up’ when I’m in a group and my friend who I click with best and have a laugh with is around. Especially if I’ve been having a tough time.
Your other friend sounds like she’s stirring and a bit of a gossip, your uneasiness over it seems to come from comments she’s making and you were ok about it before.

crocoonimper · 10/06/2020 22:33

@DileenODoubts
I hear you. I had asked myself this question over and over when he left, I guess as part of trying to understand why a good man and a great Dad and an amazing H could just give up on me. Just sometimes in my lowest moments I feel like I’m being played. The rest of the time I love my life and the fact that we are still all friends.
But yes - some friends are gossipy and this is one of them.
I just don’t know ..

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Cherrygirl3 · 10/06/2020 22:45

Almost a carbon copy of my separation/divorce 10 years ago. DP's next relationship broke up for the very same reason.

MaybeNew · 10/06/2020 23:04

I think you just have to let go of this one. You don’t want him, so if he wants a relationship with your mutual friend, then why should it be a problem?

Once you’ve let them go, you can’t keep them on a leash.

crocoonimper · 11/06/2020 00:18

@MaybeNew
Correction. HE left ME. I am and still am, gutted. I initiated divorce because I couldn’t feel like I was waiting for him to come back. I felt so lost and rejected. I needed to take control.
C is a very close friend. It wd be a MASSIVE betrayal if there was a relationship.

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TheStuffedPenguin · 11/06/2020 00:30

Go with your gut . Time will tell .

Savoretti · 11/06/2020 10:12

I think the opposite to most posters here...

I have been C in this situation. Going through a divorce and a friend’s DH flirted incessantly with me. I felt it made the whole dynamic awkward and obviously I knew that our other friends were aware of it.
I backed out completely, I made sure we were never alone together, and kept well out of his way when we were in a group. I had enough stress without people wondering if something was going on between us, and I still feel that was the right thing to do.
I think your friend is being unsupportive to you. You say she is going through a lot so you are there for her. But so are you going through a lot - and she is simply not being a good friend in any way by allowing this to carry on...

MagnoliaJustice · 12/06/2020 14:38

Can you have an honest and open discussion with C about your fears regarding your ex? Maybe she is in the situation that @Savoretti describes, and your ex's behaviour towards her is actually creeping her out.

MurrayTheMonk · 12/06/2020 14:57

Hmm well in my case my divorce was progressing with my 'c' supporting me and giving me advice (and me her as her marriage was also dissolving). Exh moves out and four days later I found out that he and 'c' had been having an affair for 18 months (that her exh knew about when he finally told me what he knew). A few of our other friends knew about it. The whole thing was awful and I'm still not fully over it 4 years on.
Looking back I ignored some things that made me feel uncomfortable because I thought my 'c' would just never do that. I was very wrong.
There is nothing you can do about it even if they are seeing each other. But I would brace myself were I you.

Savoretti · 12/06/2020 16:06

Omg @MurrayTheMonk that is so awful. I can imagine that would take a lot of getting over. The betrayal on top of the marriage breakdown...
And even worse that other people knew about it.
Flowers and Cake and Gin for you

MurrayTheMonk · 12/06/2020 16:08

Well I don't trust many people nowadays put it that way! But I'm ok. Much better now than I was. I was awful for about a year-developed anxiety and just couldn't see which way was up. Thanks Op.
For you though I would talk to C. Hopefully it will be nothing.

MagnoliaJustice · 12/06/2020 16:59

@MurrayTheMonk what a shit situation you were in, and what an utter cow 'c' was to pretend to support you, when all along she was shagging your husband. I wonder why she did that? What motivated her to offer advice? Mind boggling!! That would truly stop me from trusting anyone for a while.

I hope you have surrounded yourself with good, honest people now, and have a fabulous future ahead of you, once lockdown is over, obviously.

MurrayTheMonk · 12/06/2020 17:13

She was offering me advice on custody agreements and money, oddly enough she was saying I should agree to exh having the kids more and ditch my claim to his pension So... fortunately I found out before our divorce was done, because I would have probably taken that advice in part. That's the only saving grace of finding out when I did.

I've lost a lot of friends over it. People that knew and didn't say. People that enjoyed the gossip. People that believed exh's version of what happened which wasn't accurate in many ways. Even a few people that remained neutral-because at the time even that felt like a betrayal in some cases. You can't own people obviously, but I couldn't be around people that were also hanging out with them 🤷🏽‍♀️ I found it too hard.

We moved out of the town we lived in-not far-but enough for some space. I actually lost my job over it as I was so knocked for 6 and I'd only just started, so they clearly thought I was mad (as I sat In the corner rocking), and now I'm out the other side that smarts as I've had to go back down a rung and it doesn't look good on the CV.

Honestly I have days where I'm still very upset, no rhyme or reason to it, random things trigger it. But mostly I'm ok. I've had a lot of counselling, done a lot of soul searching and a lot of solitary dog walking to think it all through. Poor Dogs legs were worn out that first year 😂

Thanks x

Sorry to derail your thread OP. But again if this is nagging at you a conversation with C might be best. For peace of mind if nothing else.

Dollyrocket · 12/06/2020 17:27

Honestly I think you need to have a very frank conversation with ‘C’.

user1481840227 · 12/06/2020 17:37

@crocoonimper

Also *@Sogoodfeelssobad* I should say that C has always said she feels awkward that she and exH spend time together and he shops for her during the lockdown as she is highly anxious and he pops over for chats/helps her out. I always say not to worry as they are friends. But that horrible undercurrent of doubt... I don’t want to lose her as well.
I think that's extremely inappropriate and she's not being a good friend.

There's a long process towards healing after the end of a relationship and that kind of thing wouldn't help.

I would never dream of asking for or accepting favours from my friends exes if they were still healing and hurting over the end of their relationship. Never in a million years!

It wouldn't be simply in case my friends worried I may grow closer to their exes or start to fancy them, but I think it would hurt in a lot of ways, having the ex doing things like that for them that used to do for you, or acting in a supportive caring way that they used to do for you. You don't need to see or hear about that.

Zoflorabore · 12/06/2020 17:46

I would trust my gut instinct every time.

Greenkit · 12/06/2020 17:50

I would put money on the fact they were having an affair, out in plain sight.

They will "fall together" once the dust has settled....

NeedToKnow101 · 12/06/2020 18:09

Sorry but the fact he is hanging out with her because she's 'anxious,' and doing shopping for her, and also that another friend mentioned something, points to maybe they're having a relationship.
Maybe not, but brace yourself.
If they're not, it's disloyal of her, in my opinion, to be spending so much time with him.

MurrayTheMonk · 12/06/2020 18:19

Just re read your op. Looking back there were a few times exh and ex friend engineered alone time together but always in plain sight much as you have described your pair doing. So Gigs where I didn't like the band that much so wouldn't have wanted to go, walks with the kids during the holidays when I was at work, 'bumping into' each other in the pub... always mentioned to me so I wouldn't suspect. I've since learned of course that they had been seeing each other a lot more than that all along. It does seem to fit.
And op are right-why would she accept him doing shopping for her? Why wouldn't she ask you if she was in genuine need? Just seems a bit off.
I really hope it isn't and obviously I can only see it through the prism of my own experience.

Ariela · 12/06/2020 18:39

Have you asked C's exH whether C is having an affair?