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How long do I wait for him to get over it?

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HappyWarthog · 22/05/2020 10:26

My partner and I have a long history, we dated over 20 years ago were engaged then, broke up, we were young but he was always 'the one'. He 'accidentally ' got a bar maid pregnant, she strung him along saying she was having a termination and never did. He tried to do the right thing and married her and she went on to sleep with his best friend and her drug dealer. He left her. While I thought he was happily settled down with her I met and married my husband. We had a good laugh and were friends but I never should have married him and he left me to raise the children alone 9 years ago and I havent seen him since.
When my current partner split with his wife we briefly got back together but it was shortly after my husband had left, I was focusing on a new career and his ex wife was stalking me. I just felt like It was too soon and I as worried he would go back there and destroy me.
He then met an American girl, had a whirlwind romance. They were married within a year as she needed a Visa and they went on to have one child. He works away a lot and caught her on Tinder etc, she tried to run home to America but they went on to buy a house together and try to patch things up.
She lived in this brand new house for 10 days before returning to America with the child who was one and a half by then, and she never came back. She basically kidnapped her own child. This was in the august nearly 3 years ago and he contacted me early in the next year and we started a relationship. It was obvious he was grieving for the child and she was not making it easy for him. I knew he would need time to come to terms with what she had done. Its worth pointing out that he has told me that hes not even sure if the child is his due to her dating other men. He has seen the child once in the past 2 and a half years and that didnt go well as the child barely knew him and cried for its mother all the time.
I've tried to make a relationship with him and cut him some slack at times when I know its particularly difficult like the childs birthday and fathers day etc but I feel like hes never going to move on from this. I'm keen for us to make a proper relationship, get married, live together etc and he treats me like someone hes just dating. Last week was my birthday, it's been particularly hard for us he has been working away for over 2 months and then with lock down, but on my birthday I could hear in his voice he was gutted about something, I thought maybe his nan had passed but no, he goes on to tell me that he had been sent some photos of his son from 0preschool and he had a t shirt on saying I'm the big brother. He then questioned his now ex wife on this and she admitted she had recently given birth to another mans child. I think the main reasons he is gutted is not so much her because someone else is now raising his son, and this is the 2nd child he has now failed so to speak, to be a father to. He told me she accused him of living with me (shes seen my photo in his whattsapp profile) and he told her that's not a fact. She is still on the mortgage of his house but has never paid a penny towards it.
Probably also worth adding here that when we first got together he said he really wanted us to have a baby together (said I know you would never take my baby away,which should have been a warning to me I guess) anyway I fell pregnant but miscarried whilst he was working abroad,he never came home and he has barely spoken to me about it since, he certainly doesnt feel that sadness that I feel.about losing that baby.
I just feel like I'm 2 and a half years into a relationship and we still arent making progress. He refuses to commit to living with us, which is what I really want. He talks mainly about himself and his work mates and doesnt really ask me how I'm getting on despite him knowing that I'm really struggling at the moment.
I've taken to comparing myself to both his ex wifes (the one that slept with his best friend and takes drugs,and the kidnapper) and wondering what's wrong with me? Why wouldnt he want to settle down with me. Perhaps hes wary after his past experiences, but how long do I give him to get himself together because I've now started thinking about moving on myself but hesitant because I know it's always been about him.
I know theres not any right answers and he needs time, but I just wanted your views and I feel a bit better for having written it down on here. If you're still reading, thank you x

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Frlrlrubert · 22/05/2020 10:32

Why doesn't he see his older child?

C0RA · 22/05/2020 10:35

Ok I’m going to be blunt.

He has two children he has never seen ( bar once ) and doesn't support financially. So he’s a terrible father.

He doesn’t want to live with you and he shows you no love or care.

Yet you want to have a baby with him.

He DOESN’T need time. He needs dumped ASAP. And you need counselling to work out why you have set the bar so low, and why you are obsessed with this loser.

He’s not the love of your life.

Limpetlike · 22/05/2020 10:36

The guy is a walking disaster, and you're asking yourself why he doesn't want to settle down with you?

HappyWarthog · 22/05/2020 10:38

He does see his older child every other weekend and pays £300 per month plus additional bits here and there for her. I just know he feels he let her down when he walked out on her mother . She lives an hour and a half drive away and he has to collect and drop her with no assistance from the mother so he is definitely not a terrible father.

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Windyatthebeach · 22/05/2020 10:40

Please don't think if you have his baby anything will change. The likelyhood is he will feel worse - guilt and what ifs about missing out on his other dc's all this time. Does he pay Cms? He should - and he will have less funds for his 'new life'... He hasn't committed to you and doubt he is capable sadly. Move on op. Keep him in the friends box if you must..

MashedSpud · 22/05/2020 10:40

This guy just wants chaos in his life.

He isn’t going to settle down with you.

You need to move on and find someone you can have a life with.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/05/2020 10:44

This whole situation is a train wreck. It seems you are both hell bent to continue to make really, really bad choices. End this disaster and move on.

Frlrlrubert · 22/05/2020 10:45

He sounds very selfish, seems to make poor decisions, lacks the drive to sort his shit out (ex wife still on mortgage). He's not someone you can count on.

noyoucannotcomein · 22/05/2020 10:50

Those assumptions that he doesn't see or pay for his oldest kid Shock

HappyWarthog · 22/05/2020 10:51

"Lacks the drive to sort his shit out"

This is exactly it! This is what frustrates me so much.
I offered very early on to help him, he should have reported ex wife 2 for kidnap and gone to court to get proper access in place and he has let her walk all over him. I spent a lot of time trying to help him with this and he basically told me to butt out.
This is exactly what I need girls, keep telling me what I need to hear and I will speak to him later and tell him everything I need to say!
Must also add that I no longer planning a baby with him, after he didnt support me very well with the miscarriage in realised I was happy with my kids and past wanting anymore children so told him I wasnt up for it anymore and that it was too risky to end up being a single parent to another one.

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ChristmasFluff · 22/05/2020 10:51

Nothing's ever his fault is it? It's always these scheming slacker women who lure him into their vicious schemes.

This is how he'll talk about you to the next unfortunate, if you ever have a child with him. Meanwhile, the real reason you will end it is because he is what he is - self-obsessed and uncaring. Even on your birthday, he was all me,me,me.

This isn't because he feels deeply. He most likely barely feels at all. It's to train you into catering to his every whim. You will never be enough for him - no-one ever can be. Cut him loose.

He is the problem, not you. And probably not the exes.

HappyWarthog · 22/05/2020 10:52

Noyoucannotcomein - absolutely!
And not one comment about the mother kidnapping her child being a bad mum Hmm

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Menora · 22/05/2020 10:53

This is madness. You are tying yourself to this man who is the one for you but you aren’t the one for him. Seems like you are the supportive stable one while he is a mess of chaos and heartbreak

You know you can’t make this better right? You can’t fix what has happened to him or love him enough he gets over it?

He talks about himself and never you is so sad. You do deserve better than this OP

Aerial2020 · 22/05/2020 10:53

Woah, that was exhausting to read. Must be to live it.
I agree, this is drama. Why are you so attracted to it and this guy who seems to not really give a shit about you?

Distance yourself and look at what you want in your own life, not focusing on his.

noyoucannotcomein · 22/05/2020 10:55

Having said that, I don't think I'd bother continuing the relationship. Too much negativity, and he does come across a bit of a "victim"

Branleuse · 22/05/2020 10:58

I think it sounds like hes trying to rewrite history. He married both of these women. It was serious enough and he makes it sound like he fell into bad situations with terrible women through no fault of his own, and then they just decided to be single parents for a laugh with no help from him.
He didnt accidentally get the bar maid pregnant and "try and do the right thing by marrying her" thats not how these things work is it.

I honestly think youre trying to fight an instinct here to prove to a loser guy that youre better than his terrible exes, when chances are they are just normal women who got sick of his shit.
Wise up. Move on.

AgeLikeWine · 22/05/2020 10:59

This man is a useless self-obsessed loser who does give a damn about you, or any of his exes or anyone else except himself. You will never find happiness with this dickhead, Because he doesn’t care about you, so dump him and find someone half decent.

CorianderLord · 22/05/2020 11:01

He's a fucking mess. Leave

Limpetlike · 22/05/2020 11:02

And not one comment about the mother kidnapping her child being a bad mum Hmm

You're not in a relationship with the mother who 'kidnapped her own child'. Your (bizarre, in the circumstances) question is 'How long do I wait for him to get over it?' For me, you sound way over-invented in this woman's activities, perhaps because you think the blacker you paint her, the more of a blameless victim your partner appears?

AreYouLocal2 · 22/05/2020 11:05

He's definitely not 'the one'. I had a friend who would go from one disastrous friendship/relationship to another. I realised she loved the drama. It seems he likes it too. You're probably not dysfunctional enough for him. He's way too selfish and your 'relationship' will always be about him.

MashedSpud · 22/05/2020 11:05

It’s weird how when you tried to help him regarding the “child snatcher” he told you to butt out.

Probably because the truth is a bit different than the yarns he’s spinning and didn’t want you finding out.

BluntAndToThePoint80 · 22/05/2020 11:14

Agree entirely with @C0RA

tenlittlecygnets · 22/05/2020 11:23

He refuses to commit to living with us, which is what I really want. He talks mainly about himself and his work mates and doesnt really ask me how I'm getting on despite him knowing that I'm really struggling at the moment.

Urgh, selfish bell end. What do you get out of the relationship?

Totally agree with @C0RA - great advice!

Windyatthebeach · 22/05/2020 11:29

The fact he hasn't really fought for his dc stands out. Is that really the level of df you would choose for your dc?
I spent 4 years of living hell in court with my exh over dc...

HappyWarthog · 22/05/2020 11:48

Windyatthebeach - absolutely, I even told him I would support him if he wanted to go for total custody (which would have been granted as she had taken the child out of the country without his consent) and offered to balance the childcare between us etc, yet it was her that took him to court for the access plan and he just laid down and accepted what she offered (2 weeks access, 3 times per year, with him flying to America to do this it was impossible financially and time wise / annual leave etc). So it's like he has just let the child be ripped away from him, but now he still wants to grieve over this and not move on. X

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