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How long do I wait for him to get over it?

54 replies

HappyWarthog · 22/05/2020 10:26

My partner and I have a long history, we dated over 20 years ago were engaged then, broke up, we were young but he was always 'the one'. He 'accidentally ' got a bar maid pregnant, she strung him along saying she was having a termination and never did. He tried to do the right thing and married her and she went on to sleep with his best friend and her drug dealer. He left her. While I thought he was happily settled down with her I met and married my husband. We had a good laugh and were friends but I never should have married him and he left me to raise the children alone 9 years ago and I havent seen him since.
When my current partner split with his wife we briefly got back together but it was shortly after my husband had left, I was focusing on a new career and his ex wife was stalking me. I just felt like It was too soon and I as worried he would go back there and destroy me.
He then met an American girl, had a whirlwind romance. They were married within a year as she needed a Visa and they went on to have one child. He works away a lot and caught her on Tinder etc, she tried to run home to America but they went on to buy a house together and try to patch things up.
She lived in this brand new house for 10 days before returning to America with the child who was one and a half by then, and she never came back. She basically kidnapped her own child. This was in the august nearly 3 years ago and he contacted me early in the next year and we started a relationship. It was obvious he was grieving for the child and she was not making it easy for him. I knew he would need time to come to terms with what she had done. Its worth pointing out that he has told me that hes not even sure if the child is his due to her dating other men. He has seen the child once in the past 2 and a half years and that didnt go well as the child barely knew him and cried for its mother all the time.
I've tried to make a relationship with him and cut him some slack at times when I know its particularly difficult like the childs birthday and fathers day etc but I feel like hes never going to move on from this. I'm keen for us to make a proper relationship, get married, live together etc and he treats me like someone hes just dating. Last week was my birthday, it's been particularly hard for us he has been working away for over 2 months and then with lock down, but on my birthday I could hear in his voice he was gutted about something, I thought maybe his nan had passed but no, he goes on to tell me that he had been sent some photos of his son from 0preschool and he had a t shirt on saying I'm the big brother. He then questioned his now ex wife on this and she admitted she had recently given birth to another mans child. I think the main reasons he is gutted is not so much her because someone else is now raising his son, and this is the 2nd child he has now failed so to speak, to be a father to. He told me she accused him of living with me (shes seen my photo in his whattsapp profile) and he told her that's not a fact. She is still on the mortgage of his house but has never paid a penny towards it.
Probably also worth adding here that when we first got together he said he really wanted us to have a baby together (said I know you would never take my baby away,which should have been a warning to me I guess) anyway I fell pregnant but miscarried whilst he was working abroad,he never came home and he has barely spoken to me about it since, he certainly doesnt feel that sadness that I feel.about losing that baby.
I just feel like I'm 2 and a half years into a relationship and we still arent making progress. He refuses to commit to living with us, which is what I really want. He talks mainly about himself and his work mates and doesnt really ask me how I'm getting on despite him knowing that I'm really struggling at the moment.
I've taken to comparing myself to both his ex wifes (the one that slept with his best friend and takes drugs,and the kidnapper) and wondering what's wrong with me? Why wouldnt he want to settle down with me. Perhaps hes wary after his past experiences, but how long do I give him to get himself together because I've now started thinking about moving on myself but hesitant because I know it's always been about him.
I know theres not any right answers and he needs time, but I just wanted your views and I feel a bit better for having written it down on here. If you're still reading, thank you x

OP posts:
Aerial2020 · 22/05/2020 11:53

Theres something very unattractive about a man who doesn't fight to see his kids and blames it all on the mother for everything.

Do not have baby with this man, he will treat you the same.

ShebaShimmyShake · 22/05/2020 11:55

What on earth attracts you to him?

hellsbellsmelons · 22/05/2020 12:01

he said he really wanted us to have a baby together
Seems his default is to just have babies with everyone!
WHY????
I'm glad you are no longer planning that with him.
You would end up a single mum as well.

Honestly, he just doesn't have ANY good points - does he?
Not one.
So what is the point of him?
How old are your DC? Because this is an awful relationship model for them.

Raise your bar up from the floor and dump his sorry arse!

AnneKipanki · 22/05/2020 12:04

That was long .
You do not live together. He does not want to move in . That's good.
He has shown you who he is now . Sometimes it takes a long time but you can see now .
Move on with your life without him in it as " the one " .
It will be hard because in your heart you feel he is "the one " but your head is now saying "no " . You are battling a little by coming up with but he does give money...
I think you have to let your head win here .
Good luck .

vixxo · 22/05/2020 12:18

It seems like you're always plan B for him, there when his life goes tits up. Why is he not making any commitments towards you? He's never married you, lived with you, or had a child with you. And this is the 3rd time you've been together now. I think it's time to let it go. Also his life sounds chaotic, why would you want to be a part of that?

Gutterton · 22/05/2020 12:21

Why did your engagement with him break down?

BumbleBeee69 · 22/05/2020 12:23

what is interesting is that he accepts or rather OP absolves him of all responsibility for every single situation he finds himself in... Hmm

OP he is the common denominator in all these situations... you can see this right ? Confused

good luck OP... you know you deserve better Flowers

Nicolastuffedone · 22/05/2020 12:35

The child wasn’t ‘ripped away’ from him....he let it happen, I’ll bet it suits him just fine. He’s always the victim isn’t he? Do you actually know if any of his sob stories are true? I’d run a mile from him, he’s a loser.

Selfsettling3 · 22/05/2020 12:42

This is exactly what I need girls, keep telling me what I need to hear and I will speak to him later and tell him everything I need to say!

What you need to say is good bye and don’t contact me again. That’s it. If you’re interested ending things which you should then you dont need to say anything more.

AliasGrape · 22/05/2020 12:43

Why did you split up the first time?

He seems to thrive on chaos and making shit decisions. Funny how every time he’s split up with you he’s gone on to marry and impregnate another woman - if these women are really as terrible as he paints them why is he repeatedly making such bad decisions to involve himself with them. What, if anything, has he learned from these experiences? How is he showing that he wants to be a more stable partner and involved father from now on, rather than repeat his same mistakes.

What is he actually bringing to the relationship that makes you think he’s ‘the one’. What if there is no ‘one’ and you’ve just been so caught up with the cycle of drama, breaking up and making up, feeling like you’re star crossed lovers some how and so now you’re sticking with an unsatisfactory and unfulfilling relationship with someone who doesn’t treat you very well because you feel like all that ‘history’ has to mean something and that you’ve GOT to make it work now to prove it was actually worth all the heartache.

Set yourself free of it. He’s not ‘the one’ because if there was a ‘one’ for you he’d treat you better. And it would be easy. Please don’t confuse dramatic and complicated history as meaning true love - it really doesn’t.

EatDessertFirst · 22/05/2020 13:58

Theres something very unattractive about a man who doesn't fight to see his kids and blames it all on the mother for everything.

This. In bucketloads. Isn't it funny how so many mens ex's are psychos?? I don't think you have the whole story, and for the love of god don't get pregnant or marry this feckless loser.

HappyWarthog · 22/05/2020 17:29

For those asking we split up the first time in the late 90s / early 00s as he was taking cocaine on nights out with his friends and I was against that. He doesnt do that now and hasnt for years.
Girls you are all right. I've spent most of the day thinking about it and all the things I havent wrote on here, all the times I've been let down and all the times he hasnt been there for me when I needed him and the selfishness. I know what I have to do to sort it out.
Thanks girls xxx

OP posts:
Gutterton · 22/05/2020 17:56

I know what I have to do to sort it out.

I am assuming you will end the RS. That would be a good first step. I would also do some reading to understand why YOU have chosen to be enmeshed and emotionally heightened in this drama triangle for decades and what happened to you in your own upbringing that you see yourself as responsible for clearing up after others and intent on fixing them. Have a read up on codependency and the drama triangle - if there is anything you can relate to and address your life will be much more peaceful when you learn to swerve drama.

SandyY2K · 22/05/2020 18:07

He has too much baggage and is emotionally draining...time to let him go...sometimes the relationship we had with people in the past, is never the same years later.

He's a walking disaster. Wish him good luck and move on without him.

cantarina · 22/05/2020 18:13

So glad for you OP that you didn't end up with this guy moving in and you having a child. I suspect you would have become unreasonable Ex 3 and another child he didn't live with in the picture. Feels as though he thrives on messing up relationships and being a victim. There's no room emotionally for you or another child in this.

DeeCeeCherry · 22/05/2020 18:27

Nothing is ever his fault. & You mostly think the women he's been with are at fault.

This guy is ok being with you but you don't inspire passion in him. He's already told you to butt out of certain aspects of his life. You're not a keeper, in his eyes. Maybe no woman is. You trying to hold yourself up as being 'better than' his exes' is meaningless really. What do you think it will gain you? Even if you are 'better' supposedly, he's not looking to settle down with you anyway.

He's just not that into you, and you're actively choosing not to see it. & It seems both of you like drama and chaos and unfinished business. Not a good basis for a relationship at all.

LJ25 · 22/05/2020 19:10

I just can't get over the first bit 'accidentally' getting a barmaid pregnant and then marrying her to do the right thing. Do you really believe that? He literally makes all the women he talks about sound like shit and makes himself sound like god, 'trying to do the right thing' 🙄

Igotta · 22/05/2020 19:13

His wife kidnapped the child and then she took him to court?

Surely you don't believe his shit?

flabbyflabbyflabguts · 22/05/2020 19:16

I would say there are good reasons why those women left him and took their children.
Run

BIWI · 22/05/2020 19:20

OP - we're not 'girls'. We're grown women. Or at least some of us are. Hmm

This is like an EastEnders script. Seriously - just read your posts back and imagine they'd been written by someone else. Would you really choose this guy?

You are worth far more than this.

Nicolastuffedone · 22/05/2020 19:49

You can call me ‘girl’ if you like OP!

CuppaZa · 22/05/2020 19:52

Far too much going on. It has disaster written all over it

iano · 22/05/2020 19:57

I'm not buying the kidnap story. Something happened and she had to leg it.
I'm glad you're ending it. It's going no where. Stay away from him

Kit19 · 22/05/2020 19:58

Jesus wept OP, life isn’t a badly scripted drama where the misunderstood bad boy 🙄eventually comes to realise all he needs is the love of the good woman who’s always been there for him

Run a mile from him & then when you’ve done that run another

Get him out of your life & for the love of god don’t get pregnant

19lottie82 · 23/05/2020 01:29

The story about the mother of his first DC........ accidentally (?) got her pregnant, she lied about getting an abortion, so he had to do the right thing and marry her, then she cheated on him........... sounds like a total yarn to make himself look bad, and for her to look bad. It’s total textbook! I’d like to hear what his ex’s side of the story is.

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