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Is this abuse?

42 replies

Kaylasmum53 · 18/05/2020 02:44

Sorry this could be long.

I've been with my partner for almost 19 years, we have 2 dcs together aged 16 and 13. I also have 3 adult children from a previous relationship. I am unsure if my partners behaviour could be classed as abuse or not. When he was about 21 he had a head injury that left him with some issues. He has a bad memory and is always losing things which I think is related to the injury, he also has a very quick temper. For the most part he can be a lovely, considerate man but there is another side to him. Of course, I'm considered a nag and this is usually if I'm asking him to get stuff done that he's meant to be doing. He will flare up and start raising his voice. I try to keep things calm so that the kids don't hear but sometimes they do.

This is a list of some of the things that have happened over the years.

He has punched/kicked holes in walls
Thrown things around in the house
Called me names, told me to fuck off (I've asked him many times not to say that to me as I find it disrespectful) he still does it regardless.
If we have a disagreement in the car he speeds up
If he loses something he always accuses me of having moved it
I suffer from anxiety and depression and makes me feel worse when I am having a bad spell, it's like he knows that I'm weaker when I feel really low
He has hit me once, about 6 years ago. He kicked me in the side a number of times and left me bruised. I can't forget that he did this to me and feel embarrassed and ashamed. I think he thinks "I should get over it"
He often doubts what I say or tells me that I didn't say what I have said to him. He says things like "it must have been someone else you said that too, it wasn't me" It makes me doubt myself.

I do retaliate in arguments and will say some mean things and call him names but this is only after he has said hurtful things to me. I'm also ashamed to admit that I've lashed out at him in the past, I know how wrong that is but I get so angry and upset at the things he does. I know I can't carry on like this anymore, I am desperately unhappy. He owns our house so I would have to leave with kids and find somewhere else. I'm 53 years old and the thought of starting all over again terrifies me. I only work 18 hours a week so not sure how I would cope financially.

He likes to drink and when he's had a drink his behaviour is worse than ever, he really doesn't care what he says or does. He drinks on average about 3/4 times a week, usually a bottle of wine. He had one tonight and didn't finish it until after midnight, he leaves the house at 7.30 in the morning to go to work. He must still be over the limit at that time.

Don't really know what anyone can say but I had to get it all down.

OP posts:
Trustyourinnersatnav · 18/05/2020 02:56

This is abusive, in every way, emotionally and physically.

Trustyourinnersatnav · 18/05/2020 02:58

I'm sorry you are going through this. Regardless of head injuries or mental health. People are responsible for their behaviour. His behaviour towards you is appauling. You deserve love and respect. You need time to be on your own, to heal from this behaviour.

Summerdays250 · 18/05/2020 03:03

Have you written here before? I had a DeJaVu moment, felt I had seen your username before.

There isn’t much anyone can say except it is abuse. You know that too.
It’s what are you going to do about it?
Does he a knowledge he has a problem?
IMO you need to leave and both take counselling separately. You are still young, you have so much life left to be happy. Experience new things.
You have taken the first step by telling us all, it takes balls to admit everything you have talked about. You must get help, Check the thread about lockdown with an abuser, so many helpful contacts there.

BubblyBluePebbles · 18/05/2020 03:08

Yes, it is abuse. You are not happy. This is no way to live. Good luck with ending this situation and finding happiness for yourself and your children.

Kaylasmum53 · 18/05/2020 03:15

summerdays yes I have posted a few times over the years about my relationship.

The reason that I'm unsure about whether he is abusive is that I have looked on the womens aid website and their description of abuse doesn't really relate to me. Also, I do nag a lot and I can say some horrible things to him but honestly only after he has said something particularly nasty to me, I just want him to know how it feels.

I am post menopausal and my anxiety has been off the scale for the last few years. There is no intimacy between us and I really don't think I have any feelings for him. What confuses me is that I keep having dreams about him leaving me for another woman and in the dream I am totally devastated. I worry that if we split and he meets someone else that I won't know how to cope with it, I know how ridiculous that sounds. Also my 13 year old son is in the process of being assessed for autism and has severe anxiety, don't know how he would handle it if we split up.

It's all such a mess, I feel like running away but have nowhere to go.

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Summerdays250 · 18/05/2020 03:23

Wow you are such a strong women handling this all.
If you are also saying nasty things to hurt him and make him feel the same - you’re both not communicating properly.
He seems quiet unpredictable, explosive, he should definitely get some counselling, could he go see his doctor regarding his bad temper? The doctor can recommend him something, some help, medication, guidance about what to do. If he willing.
Is he aware he is going to lose you?
You must have a serious chat with him in a calm environment.

Kaylasmum53 · 18/05/2020 03:30

Thank you but I don't feel strong.

He has had anger management twice before. Both times he was told to sort his sleeping pattern out but he never has. He usually falls asleep after tea and then doesn't go to bed until about 2 in the morning and is up at 7.

We have spoken about counselling in the past but it's never happened, can't really afford it. I honestly don't know how I feel about him, I can't forget all the things he's done over the years.

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Shoxfordian · 18/05/2020 06:13

He's abusive
Would you be able to call women's aid for support to help you leave him?

Kaylasmum53 · 18/05/2020 11:38

I could call womens aid but I don't think it's serious enough to involve them. Maybe I'm overreacting, I just don't know.

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NoMoreDickheads · 18/05/2020 12:02

Of course it's abuse.

I have looked on the womens aid website and their description of abuse doesn't really relate to me

It will mention physical violence for sure as abuse, and he's done that type of abuse, along with others.

Hitting walls and throwing things is also abuse as it is intimidating as on one level you'll worry what he'll do next.

Swearing and shouting is not ok, nor is stuff in front of/audible to the kids.

Speeding in the car if you say something he doesn't like is also not ok.

You can find a way to leave him. It's definitely something women's aid would help you with.

Kaylasmum53 · 18/05/2020 12:35

Thank you, it is partly my fault though because I do nag him and complain about him not doing enough to help in the house. I'm not trying to excuse his behaviour but it isn't completely one sided. I know I would be happier if I'm not living with him but the financial situation worries me as does how it will affect the kids. He says I try to control him because I try to stop him drinking so much but it's just that when he drinks I am on edge.

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Summerdays250 · 18/05/2020 13:37

He needs to acknowledge he still has a problem, has he done that? Can he see how unhappy you are?
I do think you should leave - I don’t normally advise people to leave their partner because I like to exhaust all solutions first. I feel like he’s had the counselling but hasn’t stuck to the advice, I feel he would have stuck to it if he cared about the relationship.
If you leave, it will feel worse, but it will get better. Luckily there are so many organisations to help women and children.

I would start your Exit Plan.

Kaylasmum53 · 18/05/2020 16:16

Sometimes he says it's his fault then other times he says he's done nothing wrong. He can definitely see how unhappy I am. I've told him that I'm miserable, I don't think he cares. I have been struggling to get out of bed in the mornings and he has digs at me about it, he also makes comments about the fact that I only work part time.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/05/2020 16:36

None of this is your fault Kayla, none of it. This is all on him. All this man cares about is his own self and getting his needs met.

You re 53; you could be alive for a few more decades yet and you're not dead yet.

What you are describing here Kayla is domestic violence and a catalogue of abuse (abuse of various types also and not just physical, I see gaslighting, in other words psychological abuse here too) by him over a number of years both towards you and in turn your children who are being emotionally harmed by what is happening here to you. Make no mistake Kayla this is affecting them markedly, they could well go onto have abusive relationships themselves. His head injury is immaterial; what you are seeing is the real him and the real him is abusive. This is who he is.

Your 13 year old's anxiety level is likely further heightened by what is happening within his home; its chaotic for him as well. Your household is never stable or calm.

AM courses are no answer to domestic violence either. Not surprised to see that he went on those, it was a complete waste of time.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. Did you see similar at home too?.

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and what are they learning here?. This is no legacy to be leaving them is it?.
There is help out there for you but you are going to have to be really brave and take that first step out of this dysfunctional relationship by yourself. No-one but you can do that. You're the parent here too and these children are relying on your good judgment.

If you can go to a Boots chemist they will help you, you need to ask to use their consultation room. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52495434 is the story.

Many of their stores are set up to help domestic violence victims and this could also set you on a path to a better life without him in it. Do not keep on suffering in silence, you can make a better life for yourself and your kids without him in it. Leaving is scary but you live constantly in a state of fear now.

Kaylasmum53 · 18/05/2020 17:54

AttilaTheMeerkat thank you for your post although I don't think things are as bad as you think they are. I'm not really living in a state of fear, more unhappy than scared.

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userabcname · 18/05/2020 18:01

My mother always taught me that the first time a man raises his hand to you, you walk away. You are not someone else's punch bag. I hope you find the courage to leave.

bloodywhitecat · 18/05/2020 18:50

What would you say to your daughter if she were in your position?

category12 · 18/05/2020 19:40

Yes it's abuse. You're minimising his behaviours, but it's not normal to be verbally abused, to throw things, to be hit or kicked, to be accused of things you haven't done. The driving thing is classic - aimed at scaring you into submission.

You might find that your ds's anxiety reduces greatly if you were to get him out of this environment. And your own MH too.

12345kbm · 18/05/2020 20:40

OP you're in an abusive relationship. You sound very sad and hurt and I'm sorry life has become so very hard for you.

I agree with a pp that your child's anxiety may be greatly relieved if you spit up.

There are some organisations you can contact for advice and information:

Contact your local domestic abuse organisation in order to discuss this further and get validation on the abuse which is what it sounds like you need. You can find your local dv organisation here or google 'domestic abuse services Lincoln' or wherever you live to find out what's available.

I understand that you are concerned about money and what you'll do if you split. You can contact Shelter for advice on housing.

You can get money advice at the Money Advice Service

Contact your local CABx and take a look at their ending a relationship information.

You can get free legal advice at Rights of Women or FLOWS

Gingerbread have a very good website for all child related questions you may have such as child contact etc

The Family Law Panel have solicitors that give a free hour, are trained in domestic abuse and have a low rate for those earning under a certain amount.

The National Autistic Society may also have useful advice, information and support.

Xxmaddiexx · 18/05/2020 22:12

I’m surprised you’re even questioning whether this is abuse. ABSOLUTELY- get the hell out and fast

Kaylasmum53 · 24/05/2020 23:55

I've told him to leave. We had an arguement earlier and I told him he could make his own dinner so he pulled the cooked chicken out the oven and threw it on the floor, there was a mess everywhere and the dinner was practically ruined. Of course it was my fault for provoking him. I can't take anymore. I'm worried and upset for my kids and the future.

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Kaylasmum53 · 24/05/2020 23:57

I've posting photos of the mess he has made.

Is this abuse?
Is this abuse?
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beautifulxdisasters · 25/05/2020 00:01

You've done the right thing OP Flowers , he sounds absolutely horrendous.

Your DS will be less anxious without him around, and so will you. I speak from experience. You're doing the best thing for his future by leaving his horrible father.

Kaylasmum53 · 25/05/2020 01:44

Thank you for replying. I'm so scared of how I'm going to cope but there was no option. I do feel that I'm partly to blame though. I do nag and when we argue I can't let it go. My mental health is so bad right now, I'm pretty sure I'm depressed. I feel like I've let my kids down.

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category12 · 25/05/2020 08:32

Who wouldn't be depressed, living with such a man?

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