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Damaging grandparent? What are your thoughts? What to do?

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mygirlshavechangedmyworld · 29/04/2020 17:06

I am a mum of two girls. They are beautiful beings and I still pinch myself I get to be their Mum. (I've had miscarriages, ectopics, IVF, it was a journey but that's another story!). Needlesstosay, I work hard to be the best mother I can be. I do this by reading, scouring Mumsnet, watching others I admire and following my instinct. I've never posted on Mumsnet myself before but I'm a bit lost and seeking some advice please.

I was raised by my mother who does, in her own way, love me. That said, she has never been nice to me.

My childhood was without connection, we didn't talk, we didn't hug, she was emotionally unavailable, constantly distracted by the 'men' in her life, three long term relationships, all with drink problems. I was terribly neglected and emotionally abused. I was screamed at daily, physically attacked, put down, name called, and ignored, even in my most desperate of moments. I used to take myself off to CAMS as they were the only people I could talk to. She was cruel to the bone. I left at 14 to live with another family member, with little confidence or self esteem. The years 14-18 went past in a shambolic blur of self destruction. At 18 I decided that I would make something of my life and achieve.

I became very successful in work, I married (10+ years in now) and I live a very happy calm, stable life. I have become something of a show pony to my mother now, the source of much pride I am told by others constantly. However, the pattern behind closed doors and on the phone remains. I am her emotional metaphorical punch bag, most of the time.

What is sad and difficult is that she's unaware by in large of her toxicity. She's fragile and emotionally unstable, when low she hates herself but she rarely hates herself. Mostly she is righteous, aggressive, bullying, controlling, forceful and without sympathy or empathy. She is consumed by wanting to dissect the past, to discuss all the problems in others that they can not see, normally mine. She's always trying to diagnose everyone, from my sister and I, to friends, family, famous people. She's like a sudo psychologist.

As a grandmother, she is having her chance to fix history, to an extent. She loves them, hugs them and is warm towards them when she sees them but she finds it hard work and consequently only has them to visit once every couple of months (she lives 30 minutes away) for a day or night. She comes over to us a couple of times a month but it normally always ends in disaster. She does babysit on request sometimes, which we pay for, its expected and needed so we don't resent it.

She is so very easily upset that I usually say something, unwittingly that results in her storming out of the house, in front of the children, often without saying goodbye. Always with hurls of abuse and foul language. If I ask her to leave because her behaviour is poor, she rages further about how I'm 'throwing her out'. She has very limited ability to manage her emotions.

I find her sometimes hard on the children where behaviour and manners are concerned, they're both between 4 & 8. I'm all for raising well rounded children but her inability to see her own dominating and forceful behaviour causes discomfort for me. People are not allowed to discover who they are. They are told who they are. By age five my eldest had been named manipulative, game playing, bullying etc. It makes me die inside. My mum thinks they're the sweetest really but she uses words as weapons to great effect in conflict or as punishment. Her words caused me untold damage so needlesstosay, I'm keen to protect my children from name calling. I always feel guilty for allowing her to upset my children but I suspect most grandparents parent their grandchildren to some extent? By in large she is loving towards them and they her, though my eldest can be wary occasionally. Though my in-laws are loving and would never dream of ignoring our parenting choices (aka, please cut up grapes) or discipling our children (aka, please don't tell my 7 year old she is manipulative).

My grandmother told me in recent years that my mother struggled to accept me as a child because I reminder her of my father. She had me at 20, they were young and dysfunctional, she wanted out, her didn't, it got messy. She cut off all contact, as did he and I grew up without him in my life. (Happily we found one another in my early 20's and my daughters are growing up knowing who he is).

Despite everything, my mother has always had my back, I've always had a roof over my head and she is very dutiful in terms of being there in a crisis, hospital stays etc, but the day to day is hard. The truth is, I get nothing from my relationship with her. Worse still, she brings distress and conflict into my home, frequently.

It's my believe that my Mum has undiagnosed personality disorder, mood disorder, bipolar or other. She has always refused to seek help. It is a belief shared by the wider family. Her siblings too have mental health issues, one of whom is currently in a psychiatric hospital. This is why I've been able to forgive her flaws and keep on trying.

I have long since tried to manage the relationship to ensure the girls are raised with her in their life, whilst also protecting them from her wrath, it is a hard path to navigate. There is no question that she will cause them a level of psychological upset but so too would cutting her out of our lives. There lies the issue.

What do I do?

As things currently stand, she's cut me out of her life. Yesterday. For a comment that upset her. Nothing new. It'll last a week or so and then she carries on like nothing has happened. Allowing this to just carry on year after year just leaves us all open to more hurt, trauma and long lasting damage. But, are my children really at risk? Would I be walking away for me or them if I do? It feels like its what I want right now but I'd feel awful guilt no doubt.

Any advice from people who've been in same boat or similar would be most welcome.

Thanks for taking the time to listen. What a waffle! Apologies!

Stay safe and well. Much gratitude in advance!

OP posts:
Mlou32 · 30/04/2020 11:06

Your mum sounds as though she has borderline personality disorder. She will continue to act this way as long as you continue to pretend that she can't help it and it's all the fault of her BPD. She can help it. She can remove herself from the situation when she feels her nastiness coming on. She is able to control her hurtful words. Too many behaviours and bad people are absolved of their behaviour because of the BPD label. My own mother included.

I would be giving her a one time explanation and then cutting her put of my life. You need to do it for the sake of your children. She won't change and you don't want them picking up on this behaviour. Be firm. Don't sit for hours and listen to her excuses, her pleading, her abuse. Get her out of your life.

mygirlshavechangedmyworld · 30/04/2020 11:08

Thanks @TorkTorkBam - sorry to hear your story but lovely to see you're at peace and it worked out. I have once before tried to express that walking away may be an option if she couldn't control herself. It ended in a complete outburst from her to me on the phone about how I would be denying the children their grandmother and that she would not be kept away and that she would make sure they knew what I'd done. I guess I do fear her trying to turn them against us when they're teenagers and pissed off with us for one reason or another! It's not that I doubt my relationship but I know her power of getting inside peoples heads... Since she's currently cut me out (it won't last long) it gives me some time to listen, think and form a plan. Thanks again.

OP posts:
Pantheon · 30/04/2020 11:14

Firstly, I think you've done amazingly to come out of your childhood as the mother you are to your girls. You're doing your best not to repeat history and to give them a loving childhood. However, if you want to keep your mother in your life, your boundaries need to be rock solid. Do not allow any kind of abuse to your children or yourself.

Neverending2020 · 30/04/2020 11:17

All abusers have mental health problems. So what? Should we all feel sorry for them because they just "can't help it"? How much abuse would you consider to be too much abuse - deep scarring psychological abuse? Slapped? Kicked? Beaten? Stabbed?
Your mother does not deserve to be part of your life. Your children deserve your protection from her.
She sounds a horrible woman.
Read the Stately Homes thread. Google The Characteristics of a Narcissistic Mother (Parrish Millar).
Set yourself free without guilt. Hold your children close.

SeaEagleFeather · 30/04/2020 12:18

But I wrote this post because seeing her occasional form behaviour play out in front of or affecting my husband and children is a VERY different matter. Though I can see that is shouldn't be

You have learned to deal with it; a very hard road, but you have. Now you've reached the point where her behaviour doesn't affect you. That's good! (though I do wonder, if you do sever links, if after a few years you'll discover that actually life is way calmer without her and that will positively affect you. Maybe?)

Others haven't had your hard experience. You can shield them.

From all you've said, I think you're really going to have a nuclear explosion when you step away, if you step away (is low, public contact still an option? never without you?). It really is a good idea to think how to plan it and manage it, from her turning up on the doorstep and tantrumming to getting flying monkeys involved, or more.

Windyatthebeach · 30/04/2020 13:35

My adult dc have no resentment I have kept my dm from them thus denying them a dgm...

Oldraver · 30/04/2020 14:37

My adult dc have no resentment I have kept my dm from them thus denying them a dgm... This is so good to hear

OP you story is very similar to mine, including the nastiness towards my DC's. I have pulled her up on it and she goes into a sort of huff.

Like you one of the reasons I have continued to allow her in our lives is the not wanting to deny my DC Grandparents. After yet another visit where she go drunk and abusive I had to talk to DC about the possibility of not having her around and the fact (for teen DS) he wouldn't see them again.

I was quite surprised that he wasn't that bothered, was quite mature in his response and supported not having her to stay again. DS1 is an adult and has already scaled back on his relationship with her.

As it is she has very little to do with DS2 and spends whatever time she is with him constantly talking about others, so he switches off. Even this week (after my birthday phone call) she was whittling about my DB's business ...to a 14 year old. Didnt even realise he'd handed he phone back to me

DS2 has more or less come to the conclusion he wont be missing out on anything, as she shows little interest anyway. He is also very perceptive as a teen, to her behaviour

Your DD's may adore her now but this wont last long

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