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Over friendly? Or something more?

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DBML · 25/04/2020 19:16

My friend doesn’t have Mumsnet and isn’t usually interested in forms of social media anyway, but has asked me to post for her to see if there is anything she can do.

She’s been with her husband for around 10 years. They are very close, the type of couple who have their phones connected so messages come through to both devices and the share a Facebook account and rarely use it...that sort of thing. Lets call my friend Jo and her husband Bill.

Jo’s husband is a lovely man. Really kind, though not particularly gorgeous or anything. He doesn’t go to the pub, he’s very similar to my own husband in the sense they are home bodies.

He actually works with my husband and in their department there are also 2 women and 4 other men.

Sometimes we all go out for coffee together. Partners are always invited. Bill is always very lovey dovy with Jo. Lots of public affection.

During these times something a bit strange has been happening.

The last 3 or 4 times we’ve all been out to Costa together, one woman (unmarried and about 15 years older than us, perhaps mid 50’s), has been really quite rude to Jo. She doesn’t speak to her. She greets me and everyone else with a kiss, but not Jo.

This is an example of the type of thing that happens...
Jo was sat next to Bill about 6/7 weeks ago and she got up to go and buy them another drink. This woman from work went and sat in her seat next to Bill and was chatting away. When Jo came back, the woman didn’t move or say anything and stayed in Jo’s seat for the rest of the hour we were there, leaving Jo to sit about 6 seats down. The woman also insisted on buying Bill a toasted sandwich saying he ‘looked like he needed feeding’.

Earlier this week my DH said that Bill brought Jo to work with him to help out (because of this crisis they needed a hand) and Jo was bending over putting some books away. Bill walked over and patted her on the bum in a joking way and Jo got up laughing and gave him a kiss. This spurred the woman who works with them to storm out of the room.
The other lady (very nice) who works with them had to chase her to see what was wrong and came back saying that she was dealing with some stuff at the moment with all of the lockdown.

Bill thinks nothing of all this and seems oblivious, but Jo is getting pissed off and senses somethings off, well we all do (me and my husband as well), but I don’t know what to advise her other than ‘ignore it. You’ve got nothing to worry about and you can’t control what others do’...but she said it’s making her feel awkward, an imposition and unhappy. Jo wants to confront this woman, but I think it’s a bad idea.

My DH says this woman is always making Bill drinks in work and bringing him treats from home e.g baked goods. She picks hairs off his jumper and has offered to iron his shirt when it was a bit crumpled at the back. She asks for lifts home a lot (I asked my friend about this and she says that Bill will give the woman a lift home sometimes as much as twice a week, but he texts Jo to let her know and he’s about 10 minutes late when this happens).

Has anything been through this? Is there anything she can do? It’s just a little awkward but I don’t think it’s problem of the century ( then again it’s not me who has to put up with it). Sorry for the long thread.

OP posts:
gamerchick · 26/04/2020 23:05

I do agree that it's not normal.

However, neither is sharing a facebook and linked phones. It must be suffocating. I'm close to my husband but we allow each other to breathe. I'd enjoy something that was just for me as well tbh.

Blueuggboots · 26/04/2020 23:13

@DBML - name mistake in your last post??

DBML · 27/04/2020 00:31

@Blueuggboots

Thank you 😬 I’ve reported!!

OP posts:
RosesandIris · 27/04/2020 00:37

Why are you so invested in all this OP?

DBML · 27/04/2020 03:33

@RosesandIris

Truthfully and I know this is going to sound awful, but

  1. She initially asked me (I think because my DH works with Bill and Linda)
  2. I don’t really have many friends and so I never have anyone confide in me or need my help. I’ve not enjoyed what she’s going through, but I’ve enjoyed being needed I guess, which I know sounds pitiful and just awful.

DH feels the same. I’ve over invested and it’s not my business, so I know I’ve got to back off now and let her sort it out.

She was really grateful for the Mumsnet messages though which proved to her that it wasn’t just her being ridiculous though.

OP posts:
OoohTheStatsDontLie · 27/04/2020 04:02

I agree with a lot of the previous posts.

However I also think you're all being complicit to some degree...Jo is being actively rude to Linda when you're all together and none of you say anything and worse still it sounds like you keep inviting her out. This is giving Jo a reason to think he behaviour is acceptable and carry on. I'm not suggesting you confront Jo or anything but you could always make it a bit awkward for her by saying 'oh Linda's back now' when she isn't getting up out of her seat or something. Of course it should be Bill sticking up for his wife and refusing a sandwich, switching seats back etc but for some reason he thinks it's easier for his wife to accept rude behaviour than for him to take any action

MsDogLady · 27/04/2020 04:50

I think you’ve been a supportive friend. It is understandable that Jo is distressed that Bill is dismissing her feelings and disregarding her boundaries so that he can enjoy an ego boost from Linda.

redbigbananafeet · 27/04/2020 04:58

Linda became 'Karen' in an earlier message too.

LemonTT · 27/04/2020 06:24

It sounds more like you are pupils rather than staff in a school.

Why are you dragging yourself and your husband into this. You are too involved in his colleagues marriage. Whether intentionally or not she is using you to get at Bill via your husband. Who works with him in a toxic environment created by Bill, Linda and Jo. Let HR sort it out.

You and your husband should back away from team get togethers in Costa, wives helping out work, bum slapping and acting as go betweens. Jo isn’t being a friend to you and Bill isn’t being a friend to your husband. They both sound awful. Linda is another victim of their games and performances.

AlternativePerspective · 27/04/2020 06:49

Jo sounds needy and melodramatic. Shared facebook and phone numbers etc? And then when it happens that Bill has anything to do with another woman outside of their relationship she moves into the spare room?

I don’t buy into the notion that he’s loving this or seeking it out. He simply has a female friend at work,so what? It sounds as if he’s suffocated at home.

People are allowed to have friendships with members of the opposite sex without it being turned into something it’s not.

And you and your DH really need to stay out of it now and certainly not be offering her a place to stay because you really have no idea what’s going on within their marriage and it’s not for you to get involved.

Oh and,if my DP suggested that some bloke fancied me I would probably laugh as well because that’s just so beyond the realms of my thinking...

Robin233 · 27/04/2020 14:17

Sadly this is how obsessions starts.
There is another thread on here about some poor family where this ex from years ago , is causing the dh and his family a lot of grief.
At the point connection with people is all over the place , is it any wonder some people go a bit nuts.
I
Actually feel sorry for her but not to the extent I wouldn't be gentle standing up to her.
You don't know till this as happened to you.

Calyx72 · 27/04/2020 14:28

I think Bill has slept with Linda.
He's scared to speak to her or to HR or it's going to come out.
If I worked there I would tell them to get a room and if I was Bill's friend I would tell him to make a choice and stick to it.

AcrobaticCardigan · 27/04/2020 15:30

It’s normal to discuss these things with friends - I don’t think what the OP is over involved here! I also don’t think there’s anything going on with Bill & Linda. I can also understand that Bill might feel a bit embarrassed at the thought of setting Linda straight, but it doesn’t really have to come to that, just speaking positively about his wife should do the trick. He also needs to pay close attention to her behaviour to his wife & step on any negative comments / seat stealing! This can all be done in a casual jokey way - no drama necessary.

Greenkit · 28/04/2020 08:15

He needs to big up his wife, he doesn't need to be rude to Linda, just back off a bit

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