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Over friendly? Or something more?

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DBML · 25/04/2020 19:16

My friend doesn’t have Mumsnet and isn’t usually interested in forms of social media anyway, but has asked me to post for her to see if there is anything she can do.

She’s been with her husband for around 10 years. They are very close, the type of couple who have their phones connected so messages come through to both devices and the share a Facebook account and rarely use it...that sort of thing. Lets call my friend Jo and her husband Bill.

Jo’s husband is a lovely man. Really kind, though not particularly gorgeous or anything. He doesn’t go to the pub, he’s very similar to my own husband in the sense they are home bodies.

He actually works with my husband and in their department there are also 2 women and 4 other men.

Sometimes we all go out for coffee together. Partners are always invited. Bill is always very lovey dovy with Jo. Lots of public affection.

During these times something a bit strange has been happening.

The last 3 or 4 times we’ve all been out to Costa together, one woman (unmarried and about 15 years older than us, perhaps mid 50’s), has been really quite rude to Jo. She doesn’t speak to her. She greets me and everyone else with a kiss, but not Jo.

This is an example of the type of thing that happens...
Jo was sat next to Bill about 6/7 weeks ago and she got up to go and buy them another drink. This woman from work went and sat in her seat next to Bill and was chatting away. When Jo came back, the woman didn’t move or say anything and stayed in Jo’s seat for the rest of the hour we were there, leaving Jo to sit about 6 seats down. The woman also insisted on buying Bill a toasted sandwich saying he ‘looked like he needed feeding’.

Earlier this week my DH said that Bill brought Jo to work with him to help out (because of this crisis they needed a hand) and Jo was bending over putting some books away. Bill walked over and patted her on the bum in a joking way and Jo got up laughing and gave him a kiss. This spurred the woman who works with them to storm out of the room.
The other lady (very nice) who works with them had to chase her to see what was wrong and came back saying that she was dealing with some stuff at the moment with all of the lockdown.

Bill thinks nothing of all this and seems oblivious, but Jo is getting pissed off and senses somethings off, well we all do (me and my husband as well), but I don’t know what to advise her other than ‘ignore it. You’ve got nothing to worry about and you can’t control what others do’...but she said it’s making her feel awkward, an imposition and unhappy. Jo wants to confront this woman, but I think it’s a bad idea.

My DH says this woman is always making Bill drinks in work and bringing him treats from home e.g baked goods. She picks hairs off his jumper and has offered to iron his shirt when it was a bit crumpled at the back. She asks for lifts home a lot (I asked my friend about this and she says that Bill will give the woman a lift home sometimes as much as twice a week, but he texts Jo to let her know and he’s about 10 minutes late when this happens).

Has anything been through this? Is there anything she can do? It’s just a little awkward but I don’t think it’s problem of the century ( then again it’s not me who has to put up with it). Sorry for the long thread.

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saffy1234 · 26/04/2020 09:16

Totally agree with the work wife comment.
Bill is being a bit of a shit to Linda as well actually,he’s reciprocating her interest with negative comments about his wife’s cooking ,these will be seen by Linda as a ‘win’ for her.He is loving the attention.

Greenkit · 26/04/2020 10:11

Yep you have a Bill problem, he needs to big up his wife and stop leading the other woman on. Unless he is happy to lose Jo and forfeit his marriage.

He is being a twat

AcrobaticCardigan · 26/04/2020 10:43

A few well placed compliments / positive comments about his wife would soon put a stop to this. It’s totally cringe that she is bringing dinners in for him.

category12 · 26/04/2020 11:27

“Thank you so much for all of the nice things you’ve done for me ‘Karen’ you’re like a second mum to me, and both Jo and I are very grateful. But we feel as though we are taking advantage of your good nature and don’t want you to put yourself out any more”.

And that speech might be good to upset the woman with the mum reference and might make her back off, but it is not the line I'd be taking with Bill at all. She's not mummying him, and he knows it. Any naivete he claims is bullshit.

DBML · 26/04/2020 11:41

Hi all,

It is cringe and DH could easily say something to Bill along the lines of what @category12 has said. That’s a good idea if DH will do it. DH doesn’t like conflict though and thinks we should be staying out of it, but as you say, he could have some sort of influence and therefore a responsibility??

I today feel a little sorry for Linda reading all of your comments.

From what DH and Jo say, there doesn’t appear to signs of a physical relationship or even an emotional relationship, but I think from the comments here, it is guaranteed that he is leading her on, for an ego stroke. Perhaps because he believes he’s ‘not fanciable’, this is extra enjoyable to him. But Linda may have been putting her life on hold for him for the last 6 months! And it must be crushing when he’s all PDA’s with Jo when we go out.

I think Jo is speaking to him today. I’ve text her and I’ve gotten no reply, so I assume she’s busy. I think in a nutshell, Bill needs to grow up.

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DBML · 26/04/2020 11:43

@category12

Yes, you’re right. It turns the blame onto Linda instead of making him take responsibility doesn’t it. I don’t think he should offend her. That was the line I suggested to Jo, so I’ll message her that perhaps we need to rethink that one.

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category12 · 26/04/2020 11:46

Oh I'm all for offending her - I don't think that would be a bad result. Grin

I think other blokes telling him it's cringey etc might be quite effective.

DBML · 26/04/2020 11:50

I’ve suggested to DH that he should say something and he said that he doesn’t mind saying something along the lines of ‘it’s a bit cringe and unfair mate’.

But he’s not going to go out of his way to text Bill and tell him; he’d rather wait until the next time something happens and just say it then 🙄

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JaneJeffer · 26/04/2020 16:10

Bollocky Bill loves the attention.

DBML · 26/04/2020 16:41

Well, just an update.

Jo spoke to Bill. Bill completely downplayed it. It ended up with him saying fine, he’ll tell Linda to get lost whenever she’s nice to him. Obviously this isn’t what Jo wanted. I think he’s trying to manipulate her into letting it go. Jo agrees. But she’s left with an awful choice...she doesn’t want to end her marriage, she just wants him to understand.

I’ve invited her to stay with me to give him a fright. I didn’t even think about lockdown and Jo is interested in doing this from tomorrow until the end of lockdown. Bollocks, sorry hun, I think we may have to delay that idea. Xx

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SandyY2K · 26/04/2020 17:45

Why can't Bill just say I've got my own lunch, instead of accepting it from her every week.

Regarding her sitting in Jo's seat, Bill should have asked Linda to move as his wife is back. Tbh if my DH didn't say anything in that scenario, I wouldn't be impressed.

category12 · 26/04/2020 18:02

He's done the classic overreaction to get Jo to shut up and back off. There are perfectly polite ways of putting boundaries in with Linda, he just doesn't want to.

boomchikawowwow · 26/04/2020 18:18

Bill is loving the attention. What I'm wondering though is what was the issue with the other woman who left the room when he patted Linda on her arse? Sorry if I've missed something but that seems a little odd

category12 · 26/04/2020 18:19

It was Linda who huffed off when Bill patted Jo on the arse. I think

Ihatedrama · 26/04/2020 18:37

Linda fancies the pants off Bill & he knows it. He patted Jo on the arse because the chances are Linda was looking over & he wanted to get a reaction. It worked!

boomchikawowwow · 26/04/2020 18:45

Ah Thankyou that makes sense now!

DBML · 26/04/2020 19:36

@SandyY2K

He clearly just doesn’t want to.
@category12, a complete overreaction yes.
As you say, there’s plenty of ways to be polite (and professional) about it.

Jo is moving into the spare room for now. Bill has called her daft; over the top; taking this too far and when she showed his my screenshots of the Mumsnet messages...he said “you’d listen to a bunch of bitter old women, who have a problem with any man?” I’m not sure if he realises yet that he’s just called his friends wife a bitter old woman. 🤨

His reaction is completely changing my opinion of him and if it were me, I’ve told Jo, I’d be more cross with his response than the original issue.

(DH tells me I must back off now as I’m getting too involved and it’s not my problem).

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tarasmalatarocks · 26/04/2020 19:51

I would be extremely annoyed at my DH if he was acting like this and very annoyed at the woman too. He does need to stop giving her lifts, it’s clear she fancies him so offering lifts is in my opinion a no no

SandyY2K · 26/04/2020 19:53

Moving into the spare room seems like an overreaction, unless she knows more than she's told you...or perhaps she's just very upset about it all and needs space.

There's one thing I want to say though....regarding his response when she asked if anything was going on and he said "who would be interested in me"....that doesn't always indicate guilt at all.

I've said it myself when accused of something similar.

At the time, I had a baby under 2 months old...so yes..my response was something like how could I be doing that with a baby. I was more annoyed of being questioned on it....so my initial response wasn't to say "No"

I just felt DH should have known better and I didn't take kindly to it.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/04/2020 20:05

Oh this is interesting... Bill has balls when it comes to telling his wife to get a grip.. but not the beloved Linda... Bill's fucking AT IT people.. he's either screwing the boss for his side bar lunches ... or just relishing his role as Boss's Pet.. either way he's a PRICK... no respect for his wife in the home or more relevantly in the public company of his beloved Linda ... I'd be kicking HIS 'woe is me arse' out the house... but hey that's just me Flowers

DBML · 26/04/2020 21:19

@SandyY2K

I believe she is trying to get him to see she is serious. Originally she was going to come to mine, but then I realised we’re in lockdown.

They need a proper talk don’t they. A calm one. I haven’t spoken to her since as DH has asked me to back off a bit, so I haven’t called her again. Not sure how the move to the spare room is faring.

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DBML · 26/04/2020 21:27

@BumbleBeee69Bumblebee

The crazy thing is that Bill is the sort of husband who is always really affectionate and sometimes OTT.

For instance Jo is the type of woman who gets huge bouquets of flowers sent to work. Bill trots her around on his arm, is always calling her ‘my gorgeous wife’, kissing or hugging her in front of us all etc

So his response is really unexpected.

I’ve always been a little envious as my husband NEVER buys me flowers or even a birthday gift lol. My husband is lovely, but not particularly romantic. He’s tried to be romantic once, lighting all my Yankee candles at once and making me beetroot soup using pickled beetroot instead of raw beetroot 🤢 (I’d never even heard of beetroot soup, so unsure why it was deemed romantic) it all made for a giant headache of an evening. I’ve always though Bill a bit of a catch in the sense he does really spoil Jo.

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MsDogLady · 26/04/2020 21:32

Bill is minimizing his relationship with Linda and shifting the blame to Jo to make her back down. His dismissal of Jo’s feelings and disregard for her boundaries show that his priority is Linda.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/04/2020 21:40

has his behaviour changed OP ?

DBML · 26/04/2020 22:54

@BumbleBeee69

Not really. But I don’t personally see them that often, it’s just when we all meet for a coffee or text. DH obviously sees Bill in work daily and doesn’t believe anything is going on with Linda. But says it’s clear Linda likes him and he is happy to accept the attention and goodies.

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