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Bare with me as this is quite long.......but did he or didnt he?

77 replies

Danroncody · 20/04/2020 01:53

I'll keep this as short as I possibly can,anyone who got to the end......thank you for taking the time to read.
A few months ago my partner went to sweden with a running group. Things seemed off......normally hes someone who phones all the time and checks in but I only heard from him twice. When he came back he was constantly messaging another woman,I explained I wasnt comfortable with it and to respect how I felt,all well and good until he found another way to contact her. Deleted messages later and me going crazy I finally had enough! I contacted her husband who told me they had split weeks ago because of the same thing.......time went in and me being a prat I stayed with him,now as mad as this seems nothing sexual actually happened between them,it was more of an emotional affair. I explained after everything that I needed time to heal and not to put me in that same situation.........we were getting on great!
Then......just over a month ago,he told me that a guy from the running club he goes too asked him to work with this woman as she had alcohol issues,my partner is an alcoholic but has been sober for some time and works with people in substance misuse. Again I didnt feel massively comfortable as this was only a few months after everything had happened with the previous woman,again he reassured me it's not like that like and actually told me shes pathetic! So a couple of weeks went by and he lsrings it on me,I'm going for a run at 7pm......that I thought was too late to be running with some woman you barely know and baring in mind both me and our 5 year old son are at home. So of he goes,he gets back at just 9pm and said it was a good run and they spoke about her alcohol issues,fair enough I'll give him benefit of the doubt. The contact between them continues,we made a thing that Tuesdays was our day to go out together which I was looking forward too,he blew me out and stayed at home,when I returned in the afternoon the drills he had lent to this woman were in the hallway,I questioned him and said it's a bit strange how she drops them off on a day I'm not here.....? All he said was well it's not as if I've hidden them is it? Ok I thought and left it as that. He asked me to drop him off running one morning,I said no problem but the next morning he told me she was taking him,I lost my shit im afraid......we got in to a blazing row I asked him to get out,I left that late morning and came back to find he had gone. I thought he was probably in a hotel,he returned the next morning at 8.30am claiming him stayed in a hotel and went and had a bath. Later on the night we started again bickering at each other......he stayed in the living room and I went to bed,I noticed his phone on the floor and saw a message on watsapp from her! I went along with a few messages pretending to be him and she started saying how she wished she was cuddling him etc.....I phoned her off his phone,she answered and I went crazy on the phone to her! I went through his phone(not happy to admit) found a screenshot from her to him saying how he looked so handsome when he was asleep and that she was mund blown with how she felt and even on the very first day she met him she had feelings etc.....there was plenty more messages before but clearly he had deleted them! I phoned her again that morning after she messaged me on his phone saying how she wanted nothing to do with him etc and she spoke to him about not losing what he had! I confronted her about the message and said he didnt stay in a hotel did he? She said no he stayed at mine......then she tried to lie and say it was some where else bit didnt deny the fact they stayed together! Even after I warned her off she still carried on pursuing him......so I sent the screen shots to her husband!!!!! To top it off when I emptied the bag he had taking I found a pair of boxers with blood smears in them(like a monthly cycle) and he tried to claim it was from his man bits from running which is absolute rubbish as hes got no sores no nothing there and it was all up the front of his boxers and around where the manhood sits,plus I found her sock un his bag and she didnt deny that they had sex but he is! And to this day he has spoken to her but not in that context,on a running app he has when I feel all contact from this woman should stop! I don't why I'm still with him......km struggling to be physical in any shape or form let alone the bedroom,hes convinced hes done nothing wrong and gets defensive everytime I mention it,I have no one to talk too.....I cant sleep and I'm struggling hugely with all of this!!!!
Thank you for taking your time to read if you got this far any advice is very much appreciated!

OP posts:
Bedsidetable · 20/04/2020 07:54

I think he probably did but the very fact that he has had emotional affairs with 2 women would be more than enough for me to show him the door. Flowers

LadyRochfordsHoickedGusset · 20/04/2020 07:55

I'd rather not.

Longpinknails · 20/04/2020 08:09

He is bad news. You are constantly trying to make excuses for him, but as difficult as it might seem now, your relationship should end. At least you are not married to him and don’t have the upheaval of a divorce. Find someone better who loves you for who you are. You don’t need this.

YinMnBlue · 20/04/2020 08:16

The two husbands you have contacted: one at least believes something was going on as they split up.

He was away in Sweden with one woman, not contacting you, messaging her all the time afterwards, a relationship that caused the end of her marriage. The next woman told you she had sex with him, has a photo of him asleep, you saw the messages she sent... you felt vengeful enough to tell this woman’s DH (after she had been honest with you) and yet somehow you are asking ‘did he or didn’t he?’.

He has been hugely dishonest. He is not trustworthy. Alcoholics lie, lie and lie again to pursue and hide their habit. He is doing the same thing over his affairs.

It must be very brutal to see what is going on and I am sorry you are going through this.

pog100 · 20/04/2020 08:16

Maybe I'm missing the point but how the hell is he meeting her and going on runs during lockdown?
Otherwise I agree with the others, I can't believe you even contemplate staying with the lying bastard.

oohnicevase · 20/04/2020 08:22

@pog100
That's what I thought ... I'd be bloody furious for exposing me via her if I were the OP ..
he is obviously having an affair ..

Itsallgonewoowoo · 20/04/2020 08:25

He's. A heat, you know that, why wait for him to admit it, it's not only obvious by his actions but two people have told you. The first husband left his wife because of it, then the second OW admitted it. Why do you need him to?

Itsallgonewoowoo · 20/04/2020 08:26
  • he's a cheat not heat obviously
Pinkybutterfly · 20/04/2020 08:42

Darling I'm so sorry you are going through this...
Please get tested, and think what you want to do with your life from now on...
I don't think you can trust what he says...

calllaaalllaaammma · 20/04/2020 09:05

There’s a mountain of evidence that he did.
It sounds as though you’ve had a lot of stress from this guy from his alcohol addiction and now this. I think you will just be dragged from crisis to crisis if you stay with this man.

Danroncody · 20/04/2020 09:58

I have been through a HUGE amount with him,alcohol,drugs and prison.
Not only am I angry at her,I'm dam right livid at him to the point I dont even want him touching me,i feel irritated by him and everything he does.
It's not AA he attends or works for,its more of a violence reduction and substance misuse. The guy at his running club asked him to work with this woman which he agreed to do.
Unfortunately her husband has not seen the screen shots yet as I had to do it through social media as I couldn't get his number,which royaly pissed her off,sorry but tough!!!!
I need to plan this out right as I dont feel the same towards him and it's my son I'm most worried about especially with him being at home with the whole lock down thing.
He hasnt met her whilst on lock down but has spoken to her a couple of times through his strava running app and social media.
In regards to the sex thing,I know he has but with my head being in such a state and completely stressed out as I'm the one who works,cooks,cleans and drives us around every where,I feel completely stressed! He will always be too gutless to admit what hes done and I have lost my self respect,I feel absolutely hammered!!!!!
I doubt myself all the time,I'm 9 years younger than him and I dint look my age and get admired quite often,because of his running it's actually aged him and he gets jealous if I get attention from other guys,I'm not that way.....I'm loyal with morals,I've always believed......if you have thought about cheating its time to leave,shame it doesnt apply to him!

OP posts:
mrbob · 20/04/2020 10:03

Stop involving her in this. Your husband is who you need to engage with. Leave him and stop faffing

I0NA · 20/04/2020 10:06

How long did he Spend in prison ?

piperm · 20/04/2020 10:12

You and your child deserve better, don't let ur kid be around someone like that it's not right, as soon as you can, show him the door Hunny I know it's hard, so hard but in the end what's most important is your mental health, you, and ur kiddo, don't be silly you know exactly what to do you are just trying to figure out a way to fix this im sorry but you can't hun..
He's not worth the stress
He's not worth the tears
He's not worth the pain
Not worth the struggle
You deserve better
You will find better
Don't settle for so little when you deserve so much (and can get it)
He isn't worth anything, you will find better I promise you I know it's hard but please leave him

YinMnBlue · 20/04/2020 10:16

“The guy at his running club asked him to work with this woman which he agreed to do” Do you actually know that the guy at the running club asked him to do this? Or is that just what he told you? It seems a long way beyond the remit of a running club.

I agree with a Pp, lay off child reacting her DH etc. Your concern is your own marriage and your own MH.

Look up ‘sunk costs fallacy’. It applies to relationships too. Just because you have sunk your time and mental health into a relationship is not a reason to stay once it is clear you have nothing to gain from it.

You stuck by him through drink, drugs and prison FGS, and he is still cheating on you and making your life a misery.

You can send for self-testing STI kits through the post from NHS clinics. You send the swabs back. To be blunt, if he has a woman’s menstruated blood on his dick he has not been practicing safe sex.

Another betrayal.

I know this is hard OP.

Is there anywhere he can go if you kick him out? His family?

YinMnBlue · 20/04/2020 10:17

‘Contacting’, not ‘child reacting’

SureTry · 20/04/2020 10:37

He's a fucking arsehole! I'm so sorry, you and your son deserve better.

TheTickingTime · 20/04/2020 10:48

Gather up your dignity please. You know you don't need to ask, trust your own judgement, the only reason he hasn't left yet is due to the home comforts, and due to the uncertainty this new woman brings.

Please take it from someone who has been shat on, start believing yourself when it comes to his obvious behaviour. What if a man was treading your daughter this way, what would you advise her? You don't need this hún and it's far better being alone than reeling in pain over what he may be doing behind your back.

NoMoreDickheads · 20/04/2020 10:58

I don't why I'm still with him

Me neither. Maybe just fear of the unknown? But most things are better than this, believe me.

he's convinced hes done nothing wrong

He hasn't really convinced you, or you wouldn't be posting here. You know he did it- and you're right.

gets defensive every time I mention it

He may never fully admit it but that doesn't matter- anyone given the information would know he did it.

He doesn't deserve you at all and is taking you for granted. Make plans to be rid of him as soon as you can.

Windyatthebeach · 20/04/2020 11:03

Wonder how cross you will be when a third woman comes along.....?
Dumo him now or this is your life. And the son's you are dragging along on this awful journey..
He is a twat.
But you have no boundaries or sense of you let him stay.
Lockdown no issue as you know he has somewhere to go...

ChateauMyself · 20/04/2020 11:11

He fucks other women.
He has issues with drugs and alcohol.
He’s been in prison.
He lies to you.

Is he the only male on the island?

Life is too short for this shit.

Gutterton · 20/04/2020 11:16

You need to take a long hard look at yourself to understand why you have stayed with and exposed your DC to such a wrong-un.

Addiction, affairs, prison, - why are YOU staying?

I suspect that your own childhood was shocking and that you were treated so badly that you accept these repeated messes as normal and something you are compelled to “fix”.

Read up on co-dependency and the drama triangle because you will just continue to drag yourself and your DC through more histrionic trauma if you don’t address your own personal issues with low standards and the inability to walk away from drama.

Your DC will develop behavioural issues and suffer long term MH and self esteem issues which will cripple his life chances if he is exposed to this drama and your distraction and preoccupation with it much longer.

Don’t dwell on what he will or won’t admit to, what he does or doesn’t. Just know that your rage and urge to control and fix him is futile and toxic to your DS.

Opentooffers · 20/04/2020 11:24

Geez your bar is set too low, you'll put up with infidelity, alcoholism, violence, prison and jealousy ( control/obsession). Any of these individually should be enough, but you've got the full whammy and you are still procrastinating on it. Why are you letting yourself be such a doormat? You've not mentioned any reframing features - people who do this don't love others.

Opentooffers · 20/04/2020 11:25

Redeeming features

IHaveAMagicBean · 20/04/2020 11:42

Looks like he did.