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Friendship 'wilted'

44 replies

wellastella · 17/04/2020 15:04

Hi MN,

I am looking for some advice regarding my best friend.

I met my her at uni 10 years ago now and we so were close for many years. As we’ve got older, life has changed as it does, and we now both have partners, responsible jobs and mortgages! Oh to have no worries eh! I understand that friendships change as you grow up but there have been things that I have found quite upsetting recently and I’ve seen her change a lot.

I feel I am no longer a prioritised friendship of hers. I don’t know whether she had changed or as I’ve got older I have now seen the traits in her that I couldn’t before, but she has become what I can only describe as snobby and judgemental. Her friendships and conversations circle money and she has become very materialistic. Her conversations with me are now very much about those friends, what other people have, are doing, are travelling to, how much it all cost and what they were wearing. Genuine conversation about me or life, ideas, plans, just don’t happen anymore. She thinks of herself as a class above and I don’t think she sees me as being in the same league at all, which is very sad. I try not to let it get to me but I am having a pretty shitty day and really I really needed the opportunity for me to put everything down in writing and get it off my chest.

Last year, I made countless attempts to arrange to meet up. We did go out for a drink once, everything else she either cancelled, didn’t respond to me or ended up popping in for a cup of tea because she says she can’t afford to go for food or do something else. She then posts photos of her “brunching” with friends that same weekend. When she does come over, she looks around my house which makes me feel quite uncomfortable. She asks me where everything is from and then says “I’M going to have ‘this’ in my house” and “I’M going to have ‘that’” (like I want a golden ticket!) which makes me feel that everything she has will be so much better** than me, so much better. The more I’ve thought about it, the more I’ve realised how nasty that is. She can be quite passive aggressive about it and will laugh off a snide comment but it resonates. A friend should t do that to you, surely? After nosing around every inch of my house, she then stages photographs of her cup of tea by my fireplace to post online!

The once we did go out for a drink in 2019, I was really shocked by how she acted. We had planned to go out and meet an old friend from uni who only I had really kept in close contact with. This friend was mad when we were in uni and was always up for a laugh. My (best) friend was very stand off ish towards her and said to me that she couldn’t be around someone like that because she would lose her job. Another example of her superiority because despite all three of us having responsible jobs, hers was the one that would be lost. I did say that we were all ten years older and she wasn’t going to cause any trouble and she never had before. Within the hour, a group of her friends came to the rescue to whisk her off to a better cocktail bar. I couldn’t believe how she had been towards her.

She is very particular about her instagram. The photos must be the right light, shades position, quality etc to go on there. All photos of me that were once there don’t now make the cut and have been deleted. This is where social media is dangerous but I obviously found myself thinking that she didn’t want any photographs of me on there. I’m like a ghost of the past. It is now very much filled with her new best friend - who is absolutely lovely, I’ve only met her once but really liked her. They share interests, have the same job so I think they bond in that sense. She has often said how close they are, that they speak every day (she may not reply to me for weeks on end) and that she feels like a sister to her. I don’t know whether she’s trying to hint that we aren’t that close perhaps. She is from a very wealthy family.

She recently forgot my birthday. We usually send each other a card and then we would text or call on the day to wish each other a happy birthday. I had nothing and after ten years of having and giving cards for every occasion, sometimes even for no occasion, just because, I was a little upset. To watch how she is with others really makes me feel that I’m not thought of anymore.

I recently got engaged and was totally over the moon in a bubble of happiness! Shortly after the engagement she pumped me about when the wedding would be as one of her other friends, who she is not close with, was getting married abroad in August next year and she may not be able to afford my hen party/wedding if it is the same time. I was flabbergasted. I originally wanted her to be my bridesmaid but I now worry that I would only be honouring the length of our friendship and I may end up upset during the special times of planning and celebrating.

After the engagement, I asked if she’d like to go for a drink. She said yes and I booked us a table in a cocktail bar (because I know that’s what she would like). I got ready to go out and left my house to meet her when she text me to say she had period pains and wouldn’t be going.

I feel we are on totally different pages. I really feel like I’m not good enough anymore. It’s a two way street and I feel like my efforts are wasted. I’m writing this after another upsetting message from her this morning thanking me for sending flowers (I sent them as she is a front line worker) and telling me to get a refund because they were wilted. I feel whatever I do won’t be good enough. I don’t live in as posh an area, have the most expensive car or home, or have the designer gear... but nor do I need it to be happy. That doesn’t sustain a friendship.

Ideally I’d like to sit down with her and talk about our friendship and where it goes from here but that will have to wait until post lockdown. I really needed to have a space to write all of this down after being upset again and I’m hoping for some advice and support about where to go from here 😢

Is this a friendship I need to move on from?

OP posts:
letsdolunch321 · 17/04/2020 15:21

Yes, friendships change over time, this one has definitely run its course.

Ronnie27 · 17/04/2020 15:30

It’s such a shame but it sounds like she had changed rather than you.

I went through a period a little like this after uni when two close friends and my sister all moved to London and became very different people for a while. My husband and I had a running joke about the city turning people into dicks but they have all eventually moved further out, had children and come back down to earth and we have reconnected. Grin

Maybe this is just a phase in her life and you two will be close again in future. Don’t let her hurt your feelings though, that’s very unfair and if you need to distance yourself for a while then do it. If she is any kind of friend she will realise how she is behaving and put some effort in to fix the relationship.

EstrellaPequena · 17/04/2020 15:38

As someone who has had similar experiences with long-term friends turning into strangers, I think you need to get a bit indignant on your own behalf here. How dare she treat you that way? She doesn't deserve your friendship.

Look into the "sunken cost fallacy" - just because it's long-term doesn't mean it's worth saving.

Leave her be to enjoy her well-lit, vacuous Insta-life while you live yours full of true connections and people worthy of your thoughts and attentions.

BlingLoving · 17/04/2020 15:46

Unfortunately best friends do not necessarily stay best friends forever. It sounds to me like she still likes you and considers you a friend but you're certainly not her best friend or a priority in her life. And quite honestly, it also sounds like you don't particularly like the person she is now.

So I'd let this one quietly fade away. If not completely, then certainly right back. It may well be that down the line you reconnect again (this happened with one of my BFs from uni when she moved back to close to where I lived and I rather reluctantly got together with her as we'd never officially had a falling out or anything and I felt it was the right thing to do as she was new to the area etc etc. As it turned out, we were back to being in the same place and she has been one of my closest friends again for the last 15 years!). But if you don't, that's fine too.

Good luck.

wellastella · 17/04/2020 16:33

I do think distancing myself for a while may be right. Would I regret not maintaining the effort with her and having her as a bridesmaid next year if we then do end up reconnecting and being as before?

OP posts:
wellastella · 17/04/2020 16:34

Or am I just holding onto what it was before 😞

OP posts:
PicsInRed · 17/04/2020 19:09

You don't even seem to like her anymore.

HollowTalk · 17/04/2020 19:13

Oh god, she's bloody horrible! I wouldn't want that woman in my house for five minutes, never mind at my wedding. She's an out and out snob and hopefully her other friends will see through her.

Please don't make any more effort with her. Just don't reply to messages, don't agree to meet up - basically do to her what she's doing to you. She is freezing you out in the hope she has a "better class" of friend. Don't roll over and die for this one.

1981m · 17/04/2020 19:21

I was in the same situations and had to cut ties. It was very upsetting as I considered her my best friend but we had drifted apart. It became apparent that she didn't consider me the same.

I think what you need to ask yourself is, what do you get out of the friendship? Would should be there for you when you need her? For me, the first one was not a lot, it was very one sided, and the second point, no I don't think would he, she didn't seem interested in me anymore. This was the final straw. It's tough though.

AskEvans · 17/04/2020 19:23

She sounds like a bit of a twit to be honest. I'd just ignore her from now on. Why are you letting her treat you this way?

GingerBeverage · 17/04/2020 19:30

Hi OP - I'd love to have a BF like you; thoughtful and steadfast. She sounds like someone who maybe always wanted to be popular in school but didn't make it and now finds herself in the 'cool gang' and is a bit swept away with it all.
I don't think asking her to be a bridesmaid will help your wedding prep or happiness - or hers.

Elieza · 17/04/2020 19:32

Dump the snobby cow and move on.

You’re pining for what was. It’s gone. Sorry. Move on and be happy.

Re bridesmaid, if you have others in mind, a sister, or a cousin or whatever go with them.
If there’s nobody else that really deserves it don’t bother. I wouldn’t waste the money on someone unless they were super special. I’d rather not have a bridesmaid than someone criticising my choices all day and making me feel crap. She would do that. Or turn you down flat.

She’s not that into you any more and tbh I think you can get better friends than her!

Fleamaker123 · 17/04/2020 19:33

I would let it drift. She may not be making any effort because she automatically thinks you will be there, sort of taken for granted. The flowers episode was so hurtful. It's like any relationship, it takes effort and respect from both sides, otherwise it fizzles out and ends. I wouldn't put any more effort in, you're setting yourself up for more disappointment. She doesn't sound a very genuine person anyway to be honest! One day she might grow up and you may reconnect.

WhereYouLeftIt · 17/04/2020 19:44

" I now worry that I would only be honouring the length of our friendship"
And there you have it. An old friend is not necessarily a good friend. Or indeed, a friend at all.

"Would I regret not maintaining the effort with her and having her as a bridesmaid next year if we then do end up reconnecting and being as before?"
It's time to admit to yourself that there will be no reconnection. What you might regret, if you were to plough on regardless and have her as a bridesmaid, would be her draining the happiness out of your wedding celebrations and replacing it with stress.

Sorry, but your friendship died some time ago. Sad

Lonoxo · 17/04/2020 19:49

So sorry to read about this. This happened to me but I ignored the signs and made excuses. I really should have taken action earlier and called her out on her behaviour. I think you deserve better.

It could be that you used to be BFF but you have been moved down to a lower category while you still regard her as BFF. The friendship could work if you downgrade her too.

Re your wedding, I don’t think you should ask her to be bridesmaid. You want someone who really cares for you and will enhance the experience. I fear she will mar the experience and you will look back with regret. If it was me, unless I really didn’t like her and was done, I would invite her as a ‘normal’ guest to the wedding but not get my hopes up just in case she disappoints you. That way it leaves the door open if you do become close again later on. It would be awful to have loads of photos of her as BM if the friendship is not going to last too much longer.

Hannah021 · 17/04/2020 20:09

changing is part of growing up and experience brings in its good and bad... We wont like every change ppl go through, and its fine... They wont like our change either... Whats important is building resilience, and keeping strong and not letting the winds drift us away from focusing on the ppl that really matter

She sounds like a b** you can do much better... Keep the ppl who make u feel happy and valued, she's clearly causing u distress, not worth calling a friend.

I wouldnt make any effort, and direct my attention to ppl worth the penny

CostcoUggs · 17/04/2020 20:09

You deserve better OP. You've grown apart. Keep the happy memories and let her go (by which I mean, quietly put her in the casual friend/acquaintance category).

I had similar with an old friendship. I struggled to let go as it was like letting go of a really important period of my life, as she had been a huge part of it. I came across the quotation of friends being for a reason, a season or a lifetime. It helped me realise our "season" had passed; our friendship had been real but we had grown apart and that was sad, but OK.

You never know... you may grow back together one day. But right now she's treating you very poorly.

marmitepasta · 17/04/2020 21:47

Do NOT have her as your bridesmaid. She will most definitely disappoint and you deserve better.

Eugenieonegin · 17/04/2020 22:24

Some friends can be for a certain season in your life. I would view this as a season that has passed, try not to let it ruin the memory of the good times you had . But they are in the past. Congratulations on your engagement, onwards!

Cnoc · 17/04/2020 22:27

I agree with @BlingLoving. You’ve grown apart and changed, and you no longer like who she’s become. Let it go. Try not to let how it ended poison your memory of better times.

PatchworkElmer · 17/04/2020 22:33

Don’t have her as your bridesmaid! You’ll regret it.

wellastella · 17/04/2020 22:58

I honestly cannot thank you all enough for your kind, genuine and honest responses. I have had a really tough day and you have made me feel better.

I am definitely trying to look for what was not what is and I need to think ahead not behind. I am definitely going to distance myself from this point on.

I think I have difficulty letting go and moving on as I made decisions to leave old friends behind in the past. My friends in school were really bitchy and I only saw that when I went to uni and met new people. I fell out with one of the girls from school and in turn I was excluded from anything they did as a group. My closet friend of the group and I used to just spend time together without the others but this became too difficult for her eventually and we just drifted apart naturally. I think I am worried about losing another friendship that once was very close and am just holding on for nothing. It is a part of life and I have to just accept that.

I've had one of those days of really thinking back to all of past friendships and feeling like I have no one. I always feel that friendships don't work out for me and I end up pushed aside and blaming myself. My mother has always said I'm always a bridesmaid, never a bride. No wedding pun intended 😄

However, taking applications for new BF and agony aunt. Closing date is 2nd May 2020 😂 Onwards and upwards.

Thank you all so so much x

OP posts:
Cnoc · 17/04/2020 23:02

That’s an unpleasant thing for your mother to say, but is probably more to do with her own insecurities surrounding friendship.

There’s nothing remotely anomalous about friendships ending from time to time. I think genuinely lifelong friendships are as common as unicorns, and the best thing you can do is register that they were good at one point, and let them go.

wellastella · 17/04/2020 23:09

@Cnoc she wouldn't say it in a nastily, more of a nothing works out for you type of ways. She's my best friend and I tell her everything. She has is a great judge of character and has never truly been certain on my friend. Funny how mothers are always right isn't it! Men, friends, at home remedies for everything - they know it all 🥰

OP posts:
Sarcelle · 17/04/2020 23:15

Take back control. Block her and go your way.

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