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Friendship 'wilted'

44 replies

wellastella · 17/04/2020 15:04

Hi MN,

I am looking for some advice regarding my best friend.

I met my her at uni 10 years ago now and we so were close for many years. As we’ve got older, life has changed as it does, and we now both have partners, responsible jobs and mortgages! Oh to have no worries eh! I understand that friendships change as you grow up but there have been things that I have found quite upsetting recently and I’ve seen her change a lot.

I feel I am no longer a prioritised friendship of hers. I don’t know whether she had changed or as I’ve got older I have now seen the traits in her that I couldn’t before, but she has become what I can only describe as snobby and judgemental. Her friendships and conversations circle money and she has become very materialistic. Her conversations with me are now very much about those friends, what other people have, are doing, are travelling to, how much it all cost and what they were wearing. Genuine conversation about me or life, ideas, plans, just don’t happen anymore. She thinks of herself as a class above and I don’t think she sees me as being in the same league at all, which is very sad. I try not to let it get to me but I am having a pretty shitty day and really I really needed the opportunity for me to put everything down in writing and get it off my chest.

Last year, I made countless attempts to arrange to meet up. We did go out for a drink once, everything else she either cancelled, didn’t respond to me or ended up popping in for a cup of tea because she says she can’t afford to go for food or do something else. She then posts photos of her “brunching” with friends that same weekend. When she does come over, she looks around my house which makes me feel quite uncomfortable. She asks me where everything is from and then says “I’M going to have ‘this’ in my house” and “I’M going to have ‘that’” (like I want a golden ticket!) which makes me feel that everything she has will be so much better** than me, so much better. The more I’ve thought about it, the more I’ve realised how nasty that is. She can be quite passive aggressive about it and will laugh off a snide comment but it resonates. A friend should t do that to you, surely? After nosing around every inch of my house, she then stages photographs of her cup of tea by my fireplace to post online!

The once we did go out for a drink in 2019, I was really shocked by how she acted. We had planned to go out and meet an old friend from uni who only I had really kept in close contact with. This friend was mad when we were in uni and was always up for a laugh. My (best) friend was very stand off ish towards her and said to me that she couldn’t be around someone like that because she would lose her job. Another example of her superiority because despite all three of us having responsible jobs, hers was the one that would be lost. I did say that we were all ten years older and she wasn’t going to cause any trouble and she never had before. Within the hour, a group of her friends came to the rescue to whisk her off to a better cocktail bar. I couldn’t believe how she had been towards her.

She is very particular about her instagram. The photos must be the right light, shades position, quality etc to go on there. All photos of me that were once there don’t now make the cut and have been deleted. This is where social media is dangerous but I obviously found myself thinking that she didn’t want any photographs of me on there. I’m like a ghost of the past. It is now very much filled with her new best friend - who is absolutely lovely, I’ve only met her once but really liked her. They share interests, have the same job so I think they bond in that sense. She has often said how close they are, that they speak every day (she may not reply to me for weeks on end) and that she feels like a sister to her. I don’t know whether she’s trying to hint that we aren’t that close perhaps. She is from a very wealthy family.

She recently forgot my birthday. We usually send each other a card and then we would text or call on the day to wish each other a happy birthday. I had nothing and after ten years of having and giving cards for every occasion, sometimes even for no occasion, just because, I was a little upset. To watch how she is with others really makes me feel that I’m not thought of anymore.

I recently got engaged and was totally over the moon in a bubble of happiness! Shortly after the engagement she pumped me about when the wedding would be as one of her other friends, who she is not close with, was getting married abroad in August next year and she may not be able to afford my hen party/wedding if it is the same time. I was flabbergasted. I originally wanted her to be my bridesmaid but I now worry that I would only be honouring the length of our friendship and I may end up upset during the special times of planning and celebrating.

After the engagement, I asked if she’d like to go for a drink. She said yes and I booked us a table in a cocktail bar (because I know that’s what she would like). I got ready to go out and left my house to meet her when she text me to say she had period pains and wouldn’t be going.

I feel we are on totally different pages. I really feel like I’m not good enough anymore. It’s a two way street and I feel like my efforts are wasted. I’m writing this after another upsetting message from her this morning thanking me for sending flowers (I sent them as she is a front line worker) and telling me to get a refund because they were wilted. I feel whatever I do won’t be good enough. I don’t live in as posh an area, have the most expensive car or home, or have the designer gear... but nor do I need it to be happy. That doesn’t sustain a friendship.

Ideally I’d like to sit down with her and talk about our friendship and where it goes from here but that will have to wait until post lockdown. I really needed to have a space to write all of this down after being upset again and I’m hoping for some advice and support about where to go from here 😢

Is this a friendship I need to move on from?

OP posts:
Cnoc · 17/04/2020 23:15

That’s what I mean — she’s given you the idea that friendships don’t work out for you, when from what you say, you exhibited excellent judgement when you dropped your school friends, and have just naturally grown apart from this university friend. That’s not some indication you struggle with friendships, that’s normal life. People change, move around geographically, prioritise different relationships or work etc.

Dogladyxo · 17/04/2020 23:43

She is not what I'd ever consider a friend.

somebodyelseinstead · 18/04/2020 00:14

She makes passive-aggressive comments and snide remarks, and then laughs it off.

To be honest, that alone would be enough for me now. When I was younger I couldn't always see the wood for the trees and I had one or two friendships that continued long after they should have run their course. I made all the effort and it wasn't reciprocated. Looking back I know what I should have done.

She's clearly changed a lot from the person you used to get on so well with, and this is not your fault in any way. You're just very different people. If you were to meet her for the first time now, do you think you would become close friends? Because I don't think you'd like her very much at all.

I agree with others in that even considering having her as a bridesmaid for old time's sake would be a bad idea.

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soannya · 18/04/2020 00:38

I’d be your friend. You sound lovely. Your old friend doesn’t deserve you. I always wonder how people like that have so many friends. How? Forget her. Don’t invite her to the wedding. Stand up for yourself. She’s treated you badly and you deserve better than that. Put your energy into making new better friends.

Gutterton · 18/04/2020 01:55

It’s always about a return on investment for your emotional wellbeing - both ways.

You need to start sensing when something or someone is “off” or leaves you feeling “confused” - because that’s what snide bullies do - enough sneering and jibes that are sort of under the radar but get the punch in - and you would look unhinged for calling them on something petty.....you don’t have to work out what’s going on or try to justify or explain your feelings of FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) - just notice the discomfort that’s enough.

So when you feel uncomfortable with anyone - just emotionally withdraw from them so that you emotionally protect yourself, get some perspective and change the dynamic.

Time in a friendship doesn’t have to be rewarded if there is passive aggressive stuff going on - time to pull right back and fade her out.

You should expect kindness and respect at all times - anything less is not a friendship. Of course sometimes we slip up but we know when we have and we apologise and make it up.

We have different friends in our lives that’s are are there for a reason, a season or life. This one is not in the lifetime category.

It’s also really important to knock these losers on the head because they are negatively taking up finite time, space and emotions which you should be looking to fill with new, fun positive people.

She sounds tedious, fake, materialistic, dull and sneery - you don’t. You are not compatible.

Congrats on your engagement - don’t date give her the opportunity to piss on your parade. Stop chasing her and taking her snipes. Freeze he right out....it will be a relief !

Gutterton · 18/04/2020 01:59

Oh and that’s a classic bully tactic - the snipe and the laughing it off. That’s where they try to mask their punch - and YOU end up being labelled “sensitive” “too uptight” “no sense of humour” - because “it was only a joke” ...... don’t worry everyone else will also see and sense what she is.

AbsentmindedWoman · 18/04/2020 04:19

I'm so sorry OP, it can be very painful when a friendship grows apart.

It's not you though, it's her. She sounds difficult and unpleasant and rude, quite frankly. I'd stop getting in touch and get some space from her, especially after the flowers. I couldn't be bothered.

What were the things you liked about her/ clicked with when you were at uni and over the years? Are those things still 'true' about her?

I wonder if for whatever reason, she's going through a weird phase in her life where she's discontented and searching for something - she just doesn't sound like a happy person to me, especially if in the past she WAS kinder and thoughtful and actually a decent friend. In time, you could be close again if this turns out to be temporary. I'd just back right off but not burn any bridges, I think.

Chestnut23 · 18/04/2020 07:15

What you describe is so similar to what happened to me. We both haven't communicated for some time now and I really think it is the right thing, though very sad in some ways. It is time for you to boost your confidence and 'own' who you are and your lifestyle. Just because she measures people by class and economic success etc doesn't mean that other people do, or you have to. Celebrate your life as it is and lay that part of your life to rest.

Ps. Do not have her at your wedding! Imagine how her judging presence and personal photoshoots will pollute your day!

ittooshallpass · 18/04/2020 08:21

Definitely don't ask her to be your bridesmaid.

Just let the friendship fade away. You don't need to sit down with her and discuss anything.

Friends come and go in life... If you had only just met her, would you even want her as a friend?

RuffleCrow · 18/04/2020 08:26

How is this woman your friend?!

Honestly, the only thing close to the number of women here putting up with shitty behaviour from the man who's supposed to love them is the number of women tolerating frenemies who make them feel the opposite to how a good friend should.

Please don't take this as my being harsh, but are you that scared of being alone, op?

Maybe time to get some (online) counselling to raise your self esteem so you know what you're worth.

Cnoc · 18/04/2020 09:09

Honestly, the only thing close to the number of women here putting up with shitty behaviour from the man who's supposed to love them is the number of women tolerating frenemies who make them feel the opposite to how a good friend should.

Absolutely. Those have been the two unpleasant revelations of being on Mn for me.

TigerDater · 18/04/2020 09:29

OP friendships come and go, as people go through phases in their lives. Your friend may look back at herself in ten years time and cringe at how she is and how she has been to you. She’s not suddenly turned into a horrible person, she’s just acting like a berk. Step way back from her as she’s not making you happy. Don’t have her as a bridesmaid.

Think of it as putting your friendship in a box and storing it in a cupboard. It’s not working for you right now, and you have other things in your life, but you loved it once and you may love it again. No need to break it.

I speak as someone in their late 50s, who is thoroughly enjoying opening up all those stored boxes and reconnecting with friends from my youth.

corpsebrid3 · 18/04/2020 10:23

Ahh OP this happens a lot, it's tough when a person you were close to doesn't give back what you put in.

Knowing what I know now, I'd advise the younger me to do a detachment plan then I'd feel in control. Put much more effort in widening my circle to find someone who's a better fit for me. As it's happened the people in my life (old and new friends) are simply lovely people. We accept each other's quirks and put ourselves out there for each other. No competitiveness. You will find a better fit of friend. However, i appreciate it hurts to look back and mourn the closeness you had at Uni. I'm in touch with none of my Uni friends and it makes it hard for me to reminisce about this time.

You have a wedding to plan, it's so exciting to be browsing and looking! You don't need to share the ins and outs of your scoping with anyone outside the wedding circle. Have a family member bridesmaid, very uncontraversial and you won't regret it!

Wetcarparkrain · 18/04/2020 10:31

Listen, I sometimes think that the key to long term friendships is just to loosen the reins for a bit. She sounds like she’s being a nightmare, but also maybe for her, she’s just expanding into who she needs to be right now and you need to let her become who she wants to be even if that has very different values to you. You just don’t know, she may come back round to you in a few years, and if you haven’t taken it all too intensely then you can rekindle a different kind of friendship, or not.

I had this in my 20s and early 30s (I have A LOT of good friends, which is why I feel qualified to give advice). The one who began a media career and became a bit glamorous-coke-hound (which is never synonymous with ‘kind, friendly, interested in you’). The one who became competitive engaged/newly married. I just let them go and now, fifteen years later the glam media one works her ass off, has left her coke fiend DH, and loves nothing more than herbal tea and an early night. The competitive wife one is much more chilled out and I have a different, looser, less intense friendship with her. In the last year I’ve had one amazing friend say something totally out of character and awful to me, I just distanced myself (love you! Super busy with work!) until I was over it (it was actually something unintentionally hurtful about my rocky childhood, she doesn’t know it but it kickstarted me into going to therapy which has resolved a lot for me so all worked out).

Concentrating on making new friends via work, clubs, interests, hobbies. Make sure you’re happy in YOU, and in being kind and interested in people in general, and what you will find is that good friends, the right friends, come to you.

I’m sure your mum is amazing but if she’s saying things like that to you maybe check with yourself that you’re not using her as too much of an emotional source. Again, your mum has a certain lens through which she will see you, and while the mother-daughter relationship is just amazing at its best, sometimes I think you have to break free of it just a little to find out who you really are.

I’m in my 40s now and really remember those agonising wrenches with old friends going in new directions really well, it is a hard time but it does get easier!

Wetcarparkrain · 18/04/2020 10:32

Saying very much the same thing as @corpsebrid3!

Claire926 · 18/04/2020 12:37

I can't believe what I read in your post. This woman has removed any trace of you on social media and judges people on class. She seems quite narcissistic with having to portray the perfect life with the perfect photos and friends on Instagram. Cut your losses and move on. Your life will be much better when you make room for authentic friends.

Gutterton · 18/04/2020 15:43

Lots of lovely advice from people who have been through shifts in friendship dynamics.

Remember that we are a combination of the 5 people we spend most time with / concerned with.

Surround yourself with people who think you are great as you are - that’s a healthy way to live. Withdraw from others that don’t have your best interests at heart (they are probably going through some emotional shit themselves that they are unaware of so look outside to dump it) - they are not relevant or healthy for you.

I also wanted to pick up on your DM. Have a think about her comments. Again not v supportive. A parent has only 3 things to do with a child - encourage, encourage, encourage. It’s not blame - but you don’t have to take everything onboard.

wellastella · 18/04/2020 17:09

Thank you everyone for all your support and advice, every word has helped me today and I already feel much better.

I spoke with my fiancé about your kind words and he totally agrees and he supports me 100%; I am incredibly lucky. I think he's pretty much thought what you've all said but is a man of few words and tends so say something along the lines of "well bugger her then!" (Perhaps slightly stronger, but something like that ha!) I think it's harder to take it from someone you live with but having it reaffirmed by you all has really helped me.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you! Xx

OP posts:
Honeyroar · 18/04/2020 18:21

You never know, In another ten years she might grow up and realise what a tit she’s been and your friendship might pick up again. But for now leave her be. Don’t let her knock you down. If she mentions that she might not be able to make your hen do because her other friend’s is more important tell her that’s fine because you thought you’d only have a small one with your good friends anyway (and leave her head to tick over and work out whether you meant her). Do not, under any circumstance, ask her to be bridesmaid. She’ll just put as little as possible into it and let you down/sneer. If you could really pull up your brave pants, just invite her to the evening do. Enjoy your wedding plans with people around you that really love you. Don’t chase after people that don’t.

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