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My kids are too much for him?

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Missdc7 · 14/04/2020 18:18

I've been living with my 30 yo partner a year. The day after lockdown he moved out. I'm really struggling to be okay with the fact he left me at my most vulnerable time. I do understand though; and I'd love to hear some options.

My bf has lived at home with his mum most of his life. He moved out for 1 year on his own and went back to save money. I suspect its more than just saving money, seeing as he gets all his cooking, washing, cleaning etc done for him.

After a whirlwind romance he moved in with me and my 3 kids. (His family were pleasantly surprised because he'd never felt like he wanted to commit before). My youngest DS is 5, has adhd, is autistic and displays very challenging behaviour at times. The first 6 months of us moving into our own place were amazing but then he started to suffer from stress. He believed he was fed up with work but he also found my youngest very hard work. I do too, so I do understand but I found myself more and more worried about DS behaviour and the affect that would have on bf/the relationship.

So at this point we are living apart. He said he didn't feel like this was his home. I also get that because its hard adapting to a ready made family.

But that said I want a relationship with someone that will lead to us sharing a life together in one house. Is a man who has zero responsibility and who is pampered by his mum (I get on brilliantly with his mum btw), able to step up enough to take on a family?

OP posts:
CodenameVillanelle · 15/04/2020 10:39

9 months left like 9 years. Hindsight is a wonderful thing

You shouldn't need hindsight to know that 9
Months is NOT 9 years however it feels. You thought you knew him but you didn't. You need to own that.

OnlyJudyCanJudgeMe · 15/04/2020 10:40

Nah he wants you, not your children. You’re a package deal. Time to move on. Sorry.

Techway · 15/04/2020 20:15

You need to own that

This is key, accepting responsibility for rushing the relationship. It will help you understand your vulnerabilities and shape your thinking for any future relationships.

Acting within 9 months means you must have overruled instincts or really thought fairytale vs reality. When you have children you have to a realist and assume most relationships will not work out so assess the risks for your children.

Did any family or friends try to talk you out of it?

Missdc7 · 16/04/2020 20:56

I don't think I started this post very well. I've had lots of comments/questions that I don't know how to reply to individually so I'm going to attempt to explain things a bit better here. I had an abusive childhood. I fell pregnant at 14 and moved in with my then bf. When I was 17 (nearly 18) I left this extremely violent relationship and went into a woman's refuge. I moved area, changed my name and made a promise to myself that my only priority in life would be my DD. I started reading self help books and changed my victim mentality to one that was positive. I worked a paid wage during the day and once DD was alseep I worked relentlessly on my own business. I was completely single for 2 years and thereafter I dated. My crazy high standards saw relationships frizzle out before they had any chance to get started (which was fine as I still wasn't ready). At 22 I met my husband. He had a similar history to me, same goals and values. I was never in love with him, but I did love him, and I had an overwhelming feeling to protect him. Besides, I didn't trust love. As my business was taking off and I hated my day job we decided to move in together near his area for his career sake. As luck would have it my landlord decided to sell the house around the same time. I'd saved more than enough for a deposit so brought it. Security for DD and I. Over the following 6 years I had 2 further children. I was very happy and content. I didn't really have friends (I've never had meanful friendships) but I had a family I put my heart and soul into. But as my youngest started displaying more challenging behaviour, my relationship with DH quickly deteriorated. I was the back bone of the family, he still had his victim mentality and at a time I needed him to step up and help with our son he couldn't. In fact he made it about him. It crushed his ego. He refused to see anything was wrong... Slated the experts and sought reassurance this wasn't his sperms fault! It got to the point I had lost all respect for him. His face alone irritated me. So I left (well I asked him too).

I never intend for one minute to meet anyone. Far from it. I actually wanted to work on meeting some friends. Or a least make one good solid friendship! I went back to work (rather than working from home) and did make some friends there. One friendship in particular stuck. She is the sister of current bf. I knew him through her for nearly a year. I liked him and could tell it was mutual but I wanted to give myself more time. 18 months after my split from ex we went on our first date. 9 months flew by.... I was swept off my feet. I was so happy and I realised that it was possible to be in love... Minus the hurt, bruises etc. We were in no rush to move in together but he stayed over so often we just fell into it. My tenancy was up and we decided to rent a smaller place together with the kids.

As I mentioned before, the first 6 months were amazing. But then cracks started to appear. He'd given up smoking and also a promised promotion didn't materialise. He started having trouble sleeping. He didn't know why he was stressed but we both assumed it was this. His stress was on and off until he left the day after lockdown... I could see his struggles but he didn't want to burden me with it. He wouldnt discuss it and never let it keep him down. The day before was a perfect day. It had been an amazing relationship. Yes, I knew it was hard for him with DS. I'm his mother and even I find it hard! But was I worried about my kids when moving this man in? No, I wasn't in the slightest. My ex husband took stress to a whole new level... And now we had so much laughter in the house. Things were fun and relaxed. It was what we all needed.

It wasn't a problem he'd lived at home practically all his life. What I see is a man who adores his family. A family who welcomed me opened arms.

When he left I wrote a list. I was actually looking for reasons to ease the heart ache. But all I mostly ended up with was pages of the things I love about him.

I didn't mean to sound like I didn't respect him, or that I judge him or anything negitive. I genuinely just wanted options if it could possibly work because I'm so upset to think straight. I have no family and my only friend is his sister so I can't exactly talk to her.

When he left all he said was he felt out of place. People here have asked if he helped with chores etc. Well yes he did, I only work a 4 day week so clean on the day he works but he was always pottering or offering to help me when he saw I was busy. He even asked to come to DS medical apts to better understand his needs.

I don't judge his lifestyle... I'm actually envious of it. He's surrounded by loved ones. Friends and family. He's lived a stress free life. Whereas my life is extremely busy and can be really stressful. Our relationship taught me to enjoy what was right in front of me rather than concentrating on the future. But I/we made mistakes. We've talked more and he's explained he didn't like to relax when I was busy (but kids keep me on my toes both directly and indirectly), so he didn't know what to do with himself. He can't be accused of lack of effort with DS.... Its just taking time as one would expect. I just find it hard because he's less tolerant over the things he does compared to his nephews. He thinks I should be firmer but everything is a battle and I think I choose them wisely. Another thing that is an issue for him is he lives hand to mouth and I have a lot of savings. Only because I'm an ace saver and savvy with money. I dont earn anymore than him! But while he spends a fair bit on alcohol each week, I save it away and always have done. While he was happy plodding in life before, I make him feel bad. No fault of my own! He wants to be able to cope with DS better, be financially even pegging, and not feel bad relaxing when I'm busy.

I think he's amazing and took on way too much responsibility. I always thought that but him leaving the way he did devastated me. Now we just need to see if we can find a new way going forward.... Certainly one that doesn't involve living together anytime in the short/med term.

OP posts:
monkeymonkey2010 · 16/04/2020 23:36

I'm sorry....but i think you're looking at him through rose tinted glasses.
I think your perspective is somewhat skewed.....which is understandable given your experiences growing up.

We were in no rush to move in together but he stayed over so often we just fell into it
So you started seeing the guy and pretty much from the off-set he was practically living at yours?
You introduced a guy you'd just met to your child and then moved him in at 6 months - that is irresponsible and doesn't take your child's feelings/needs/safety into consideration.

My tenancy was up and we decided to rent a smaller place together with the kids
So it was a conscious decision you made - for yourself only.
How does your child feel about having a 'step-dad' figure thrown on him and then have that person 'dump' him?
You're going to end causing your child a lot of emotional/mental harm if this pattern carries on.

It wasn't a problem he'd lived at home practically all his life. What I see is a man who adores his family
It isn't the fact that he 'lives at home' that is the issue - the problem is that this 'adult' has no clue about living independently and taking basic adult responsibility.
He lives ta home because he gets waited on, he doesn't have to pay to live there and he has it easy.
A family who welcomed me opened arms
I can understand the desire to want to be part of a family - but don't let that create an unhealthy expectation/attachment.
They will always choose his side over yours - especially as you were only seeing each other for 6 months...

I only work a 4 day week so clean on the day he works
So you clean on your day off? Why isn't he taking care of that on the 4 days you work?
but he was always pottering or offering to help me when he saw I was busy
Ahhhh, that explains it. He thinks the cleaning is YOUR JOB.....so he just 'helps' you every now and then....and you feel grateful to him for that?!
Housework is HIS JOB too.....he should have seen for himself what needed doing and got on with it so you didn't have to do it on your day off.
The fact is that he isn't 'housetrained' cos his mother does it all for him...he doesn't even make any effort to take on the mental load and think for himself.

He's lived a stress free life
He's lived a responsibility free life - no rent, no bills, no housework, gets all his cooking/cleaning/washing done for him, he absolves himself of all the 'thinking' required in running your own house
Another thing that is an issue for him is he lives hand to mouth and I have a lot of savings
That's his own fault - he CHOOSES not to save.
He clearly isn't responsible with money either or have any financial common sense.

He even asked to come to DS medical apts to better understand his needs........ I just find it hard because he's less tolerant over the things he does compared to his nephews. He thinks I should be firmer
This guy can't even look after himself and he's giving YOU parenting 'advice'?
He claims he doesn't know how to entertain himself or make himself useful yet claims to have good insight into a child's needs?
This guy's a joke!

he's explained he didn't like to relax when I was busy
Yet he's used to doing exactly that at his mums house.....
There's plenty of work to do round the house on your day off - but never any for him to do when you're busy with other stuff?

He wants to be able to cope with DS better, be financially even pegging, and not feel bad relaxing when I'm busy
All of these only HE can do something about.
He's a weasel squirming his way out of taking even the tiniest bit of personal responsibility....and i think he's being emotionally manipulative and wants you to feel bad and take on responsibility for 'sorting' it out:
He's already told you to be 'firmer' with your son....he wants you to do all his thinking for him and as for the finances, what's his proposal?
That you pay more for bills/rent etc so he has more money left over?
I guess it's hurt him pretty bad having to pay rent and household costs for the short time that he moved in..........

He doesn't sound amazing at all....he sounds like a pampered man-child who is manipulative and spinning you a line.
He wants you to mother him like his mum does AND be the only responsible adult when it comes to everything else whilst he just sits back and enjoys himself.

RichTwoTurkeyFriend · 17/04/2020 00:03

OP, I’m trying to say this as gently as I can, but none of what you wrote in your last post even considers the impact of moving in a new man in your children so soon, especially for your oldest given her experiences and your youngest with his needs. That’s not putting them first, and how confusing and destabilising for them now he’s moved out again.
They need to be your priority.

BackseatCookers · 17/04/2020 00:46

We were in no rush to move in together but he stayed over so often we just fell into it. My tenancy was up and we decided to rent a smaller place together with the kids.

Didn't mean to / fell into it etc... but you say you decided to rent a smaller place together with the kids. So it was an active decision.

It was way too much, way too soon and now he's already been living there and already moved out causing more instability for your kids and more confusion for them. Needlessly.

Probably rejection issues too as someone lived with them and then wanted to leave - not their fault of course at all but I'm saying how it would feel from a kids point of view.

You sound like a survivor and you've done so well for yourself, but on this occasion you didn't put the kids first and hopefully it's a lesson learned all round.

AgentJohnson · 17/04/2020 03:17

But was I worried about my kids when moving this man in? No, I wasn't in the slightest.

This is the problem.

Thanks for the essay length clarification but it only further highlighted your poor decision making.

History of abusive relationships + whirlwind relationship = trouble. I get that you want the happy ever after but that is no excuse for your reckless behaviour. Yes reckless OP, moving a new man in when you have children and so quickly after meeting, shows a spectacular lack of insight.

It sounds like the novelty of playing happy families wore of pretty damn quick, which isn’t surprising given his lack of previous independent living experience and minimal responsibility.

Cnoc · 17/04/2020 07:35

Exactly what @RichTwoTurkeyFriend, @AgentJohnson and @BackseatCookers said. In the nicest possible way, your lengthy self-justification is completely irrelevant to your children’s experience, except for when you say you ‘weren’t worried’ about moving in your boyfriend with your children at an early stage in the relationship. That’s the key point. You should have been, and its concerning that you weren’t.

It doesn’t matter that he was less awful than your ex-husband and didn’t actually hit you, it doesn’t take a genius to realise that a childfree 30 year old man who’s never left home and has all his cooking and cleaning done by his mother, who lives hand to mouth, blows his money on alcohol and prefers a ‘stress-free’ life is unlikely to fit seamlessly into a three-child family where one child has SN and the mother is understandably permanently busy after a ‘whirlwind romance’.

G1rlB0yG1rl123 · 17/04/2020 08:53

When he left to return to his Mother. It sounds like he left, without a backward glance to you

I assume he has left you with the financial, emotional & physical burden of running a household on your own again

His actions, speak louder than words

I would block him & concentrate on being a strong woman who puts her family unit first

You don't need a man !

If you want friends, join a few clubs in real life or online

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