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How do I ensure I get what I want/ working out what's important?

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jojobar · 14/04/2020 11:03

I was in a 6 year relationship which has very recently ended.

Before I met him, I was single for a VERY long time. Some of that time I was happily single and not looking to meet anyone, some of it I was actively dating. The dating was 98% shitshow - you name it and I encountered them, to paraphrase Bridget Jones - alcoholics, workaholics, commitment phobics, people with girlfriends or wives, misogynists, megalomanics, male chauvinists, emotional fuckwits or freeloaders, perverts...plus druggies, racists, ghosters. You get the idea.

I was pretty disillusioned and jaded and can honestly say that in 5 years of dabbling on and off with dating I didn't meet anyone who didn't fall into the above categories (some fit into several of them). So I decided to think about what I wanted, some kind of cosmic ordering, to work out what was important to me.

And I decided that I wanted someone who I found attractive physically and mentally, who was intelligent (not necessarily uni educated, but had views about the world and was articulate enough to express them), had a similar earning capacity to me and was also financially independent, who valued my intelligence at least as much as my physical appearance, who wanted a relationship not just casual dating ad infinitum. Who was generally respectful of women, and who didn't have issues with alcohol or drugs. Someone who could mix with my friends, my professional colleagues and my family and not feel uncomfortable or out of their depth. Who made me laugh and who was kind to me, and whose company I enjoyed being in. Who enhanced my life rather than drained it.

And I met my Ex and he pretty much ticked all those boxes. He was my ideal man physically/ lookswise, and he was also reasonably well off/ successful, wasn't looking to play the field, apparently quite well adjusted etc.

Over the ensuing years I've realised that as well as ticking all the above (and even other things that weren't on my list, like he's a great cook) he also had a number of issues. Last year we split up, and I discovered he'd been unfaithful to me. He has issues around sex which are very deeprooted and linked to traumatic past events. His MH is also poor, this has been ongoing for many years. And most recently, there was an incident which he refuses to apologise for, choosing to blame me for feeling upset that he poked me in an argument to 'make a point' and can't see why that isn't an appropriate thing to do to me, despite knowing I'd previously been in a relationship involving domestic violence.

So that's the end of things between us. Obviously it will be a while before I can even consider another relationship, but I'm trying to learn from this and thinking again about my wants list. One thing I noticed when we were together was that he didn't do much for me 'just because'...you know the guy who brings his partner flowers? Or surprises her with a gift? Or mows the lawn, or cleans her car? no, none of that, ever. He bought me flowers about 5 times in total. He did sometimes warm my side of the bed on a cold night, or bring me a towel when I was in the shower, but not many other meaningful gestures. Would I be wrong to want more of this?

Although I felt quite secure in the relationship, he also wasn't committed to me in the fullest sense, everything we talked about was always 5 years ahead. I would have liked an engagement ring. He made noises about it once, briefly, never happened.

Things also often got left to me to arrange even though I was always much busier than him. He never took the initiative to do anything to help me (even though I often did for him).

I think these are all things I'd like in my next relationship whenever that might be...am I being fair to expect this? How do I ensure I get what I want?

OP posts:
jojobar · 14/04/2020 20:03

Needy to who? Not to him - we spoke yesterday, he wouldn't apologise, I confirmed in that case we were over.
What's needy or being a drama queen about that?
I feel like I did the right thing.

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noyoucannotcomein · 14/04/2020 20:04

So this guy has managed to change your views on weed use, and what constitutes a physical assault. He's got you believing everything he says about his ex wife and his infidelity towards you, and how much you meant to him.

Open yours eyes, OP.

Ragwort · 14/04/2020 20:09

Excellent jojobar, you’ve done the right thing then; but by going over and over every comment you made to him, what he said or didn’t say (or do) you do come over as being a bit dramatic.

Focus on the future Smile and yourself, you don’t have to have a man in your life to be happy.

jojobar · 14/04/2020 21:16

My view on weed and other drugs was based on people I have known, who were the off their face types, spending all their money on it. And most of whom also had an alcohol problem. When I discussed it with him I realised that he was very different to that and it was clear to me his weed use wasn't a problem. Indeed in the course of our relationship he actually gave up for about a year or so for various reasons.

My views on assault haven't changed. I wouldn't have described what happened between us as assault at any time. But it was upsetting because of my background and therefore I couldn't just ignore it and brush over it. He's not changed my views on that. Neither of us think it was assault. I think it crossed a line, was wrong and he should apologize. He doesn't. So I can't carry on a relationship with him.

As for his Ex wife, I met him just as he was going through divorce proceedings. So I knew all the reasons involved. And infidelity wasn't one of them. He's not someone who was serially unfaithful and had our relationship continued I wasn't concerned that it would be repeated.

So I don't need to open my eyes. We're not together now anyway and that is highly unlikely to change.

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AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 14/04/2020 21:21

You are hard work OP, but I wish you well.

jojobar · 15/04/2020 13:45

My Ex used to say I was hard work too...

I have reconsidered my list, and decided that one thing I need to add to it (leaving aside acts of kindness and all that other stuff) which is a non negotiable is that he has to be able to apologise and admit fault. Because this is in essence why my relationship has ended due to his refusal to do so, despite knowing that if he didn't our relationship (which he has told me many times is the only thing that keeps him going) would be over. If the shoe were on the other foot, I would make that apology unreservedly. And I would expect the same from a partner.

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noyoucannotcomein · 15/04/2020 13:51

And how are you going to know that is the case?

He didn't apologise or admit fault, because he didn't think he was in the wrong.

Why would you admit fault and apologise unreservedly for something you didn't see as your fault?

Ragwort · 15/04/2020 13:56

How do you honestly know when someone ‘genuinely’ apologises? It is very easy to say sorry, appear to be apologetic etc whilst still inwardly feeling that you are in the right and are just saying ‘sorry’ for an easy life? (I have done that occasionally, not proud of myself, but rather than going on and on about something I might say ‘yes, sorry my fault’ whilst privately thinking my DH is acting like a twat).

As I said earlier, it’s good to have ‘standards’ of what you consider acceptable behaviour, but you are sounding a bit like an angst ridden teenager with all your analysis of your relationship. There’s more to life than just having a boyfriend Smile.

Crackerscheesescabbyknees · 15/04/2020 14:10

I don't think you're being unrealistic at all and if you're willing to wait for the right guy to come along there's no reason for you to settle for anything less.

You essentially want a good human, equal to you and stable who will treat you once in a while and is aware of their romantic side.

jojobar · 15/04/2020 14:27

It doesn't matter if I thought what I'd done was ok and didn't merit an apology, it's the other person's perception of it which is important. In a relationship you have to be considerate of each others feelings and what might be offensive to one of you may not be to the other. But surely because you care about that person, and love them, you can look at it from their POV, appreciate it WOULD have upset them, and respond appropriately.

I would apologise unreservedly if I had upset, scared or offended someone for my actions, and I'd hope others would do so too?

I certainly wouldn't think my partner was a twat if they'd been upset or hurt by some action of mine, I think that's quite an odd response.

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Babdoc · 15/04/2020 14:28

It’s perfectly reasonable to have standards and a list of “deal breakers” when looking for a partner.
But regardless of whatever else is on the list, fundamental to any relationship are mutual love, respect and commitment.
And I think he wasn’t that into you. He was unfaithful, he had glib excuses for not wanting a marriage or commitment, any joint plans were for the vague unspecified future, not the here and now, he didn’t care if he’d upset you - or didn’t care enough to apologise, and he repeatedly showed you that he treated his ex wife better than you, even rubbing your nose in the fact that he bought her flowers much more often than he did for you.
I think you may have been a rebound relationship for him, OP. A safe haven while he processed his divorce, nothing more. And you are well shot of him.
Have a breather, then when you start dating again be a little more flexible. A not particularly gorgeous man may have a more loving heart and be more appreciative of his partner, for example!
Just meet lots of men in a light hearted way, don’t get out the clipboard and checklist, and see how it goes with no pressure. You may be surprised.

jojobar · 15/04/2020 15:25

I could tell myself he wasn't that into me, however that doesn't equate with when we split up last year, and after a period apart he pursued me, because he missed me in his life, and he wanted me back.
Which of course makes it more disappointing that he now reacted as he did to the current situation.
Ultimately what's done is done and I'm where I now am. I could back down and say I don't need an apology but I don't think that would be the right thing to do.
I don't find the dating thing enjoyable - on TV or in books it looks like fun, doesn't it? The reality sadly is that you're literally wading through a sewer of obscene messages, dick pics and weirdness, hoping for 1 message from someone vaguely normal who isn't going to bombard you with filth or immediately show themselves to have serious issues of the type outlined in my OP. It's not something I'll be rushing to return to!

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AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 15/04/2020 16:00

Dude, your ex had at least three of the serious issues outlined in your OP.

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