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Am I over reacting with new guy?

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luvinthesun · 10/04/2020 18:27

I would really appreciate some advice please as to if I'm behaving completely over the top and going crazy, or if I have a genuine reason to be on my guard here, even though I suspect I do.
I left my ex 2 years ago for various reasons, but one of them being that he was a compulsive liar. He would lie for the most ridiculous of things and it left me unable to trust people in general, although this did improve after 12 months of counselling.

So fast forward 2 years, and I have started dating someone who I care about very much. We were friends for over a year before we got together, and there was never any hint of him being manipulative or a liar in any way. He is soft natured, reliable, supportive, everything I could want in a partner and I could see myself falling for him in a big way.
A couple of things have happened recently though where I'm convinced he's lying to me, and after my previous history with my ex, I'm not sure if I'm jumping on stuff that perhaps other people wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention too, or if I have genuine reason to have red flags jumping out at me.
So a couple of weeks ago, his daughter told a friend of mine about something that had happened which wasn't common knowledge. I was a little irritated that he had told her, but neither had I asked him to keep quiet about it, I just foolishly assumed he would, but when I asked him if he had talked to his daughter about this incident, he looked nervous and told me that he hadn't.
I felt quite sick as I knew he must have done for his daughter to know, but was more concerned that I felt he had openly lied to me. I talked to him about it later on, and he admitted that he had mentioned me, but had not mentioned the incident that I wanted keeping private. I confessed to him that I was concerned he was lying to me and he told me that he felt really hurt that I didn't trust him, and that me not trusting him was really destructive in our relationship. I left it be as I had a lot going on and didn't really think about it again until the last few days.

The second incident that has got me concerned was a few days ago when we were joking on the phone, and the chat turned to a jokey sexual nature. I said something which hit a raw nerve regarding something his ex had made him feel shit about ( I had no idea when I said it that his ex had upset him about it ) and he got quite defensive. I got annoyed about his defensiveness, and he denied it and told me that I took things to serious and that I was imagining it.
I ended the phone call as I felt gas lighted to be honest, and didn't appreciate him trying to make me feel that I was the problem even though I could see he was embarrassed about his reaction. He did apologise the next day and admit he had been defensive, but it still unnerved me. I know that people do this kind of thing if caught on the spot, so really not sure if I am just over reacting.

I'm pretty sure that he has lied to me again today though. Yesterday, something went wrong with his car which is pretty dangerous but when we were chatting about him getting it to a garage today asap, he didn't seem in any rush. I asked him earlier if he had managed to fit it into a garage, and he told me that he had rang a few up but that they were all shut with it being Good Friday, and he would try tomorrow. I took my dog a walk this morning over an industrial estate and passed 4 and they were all open.
Granted, he lives in a different town, but I can't see it being any different over there. I know it's his own business what he does with his car, it's just the fact that I'm convinced he's lied over something so stupid, rather than just say 'no, I didn't ring any up'.

I know I may well sound insane, and maybe I'm just not ready for a relationship, but I would really appreciate a second opinion here as I'm on the verge of ringing him up and breaking things off, but would kick myself if I'm the issue and I'm over reacting as I had no sense of any untruthfulness behaviour when we were friends Sad

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YouJustDoYou · 11/04/2020 18:52

Jesus, only 6 weeks and he broke down crying??
Op, it's weird things for him to lie about. I'd be pissed off too - why lie?? Just be an adult and say he couldn't be arsed to ring the garage? Why lie about blabbing to his dd?? It's just weird. He Sounds immature, and something is a bit...warped about him. Personally I would've done as you did and bin him off. It doesn't matter aboit other people's views though- what matters is what YOU are prepared to deal with and how you feel, and you've acted on your feelings so, that's not wrong at all. Well done.

FaithInfinity · 11/04/2020 19:12

6 weeks in it shouldn’t be such a mess already. Sounds like you made a wise decision OP. Can I suggest you utilise lockdown time to do The Freedom Programme online? It’ll help you discern behaviour and recognise red flags earlier.

wantmorenow · 11/04/2020 19:47

6 weeks! He's a wrong 'un.

Crying, pleading, saying he loves you yet barely knows you.

Liar and gaslighter.

He's trying to manipulate you. Please do not try and be friends, do not meet up, he will suck you back in to the drama anyway he can.

Protect yourself, block and build your walls high. If he's like my ex, he feeds off your attention and it's like oxygen to him. He will not go quietly and will use, promise, threaten anything to get any opportunity to talk to you.

Please be stronger and wiser than I was. He is not your friend.

NoMoreDickheads · 11/04/2020 21:45

I talked to him about it later on, and he admitted that he had mentioned me, but had not mentioned the incident that I wanted keeping private. I confessed to him that I was concerned he was lying to me and he told me that he felt really hurt that I didn't trust him, and that me not trusting him was really destructive in our relationship

I don't think any of this is a sign you need more counselling OP, it's a sign you've learned from your past experiences and are responding emotionally appropriately when this stuff happens.

He lied- it doesn't sound like this is a thing his daughter could know independently of him. Not only did he lie but then turned it around on you, gaslghting again and trying to make you believe the problem is you. It ain't.

You're right about the other too incidents too- the getting defensive and denying it thing isn't particularly abnormal if it weren't part of a pattern of behaviour, but the car thing is outright lying. Neither would be awful if they weren't on top of the first one, though driving around in a potentially lethal car isn't good.

You're not throwing it all away over a trivial thing- this is a gut feeling you have and you've developed that from experience. The Freedom Programme teaches that these gut feelings are important and should be acted on.

I genuinely don't believe he is knowingly manipulative or abusive

You know he's manipulative though OP, you've seen him do it.

The hard thing is that I tell the occasional white lie myself, and I admit that...so why can't I accept him doing it?

I wouldn't count these as white lies though, how he tried to twist things was sly.

And yep, other red flags as well.

Well done for ending it. Stay strong and don't get involved with him romantically again.

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