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He laid his hands on me in an argument

86 replies

jojobar · 08/04/2020 14:57

We've been stuck in a living together situation since the recent travel restrictions started - he lives 4 hours away so although he could go back, we knew once he went he probably couldn't come back here again.

Was ok at first, over the last 7-10 days we've been sniping at each other a bit. I sat him down last night because he was really quite dismissive and argumentative a few times in the day, and asked if we could talk about why he was upset/ unhappy.

At first he refused, 'what's the point'. This is a common tactic he's done in the past. Then said he'd been trying to raise issues with me for the last 10 days and I just trample all over him all the time. I have no idea of any occasions where he's tried to speak to me, but I apologised if he felt I'd squashed discussion, I'd not done it deliberately but could we talk now? He says why should we talk just because I say so...

I let that go, and explain I've been concerned because he's been physically distant from me and up til 3-4am every night 'working'. He admitted he won't come to bed at the same time as me because partly work but mostly because I turned him down for sex 2 weeks ago and also because I made a comment about feeling ill at ease in a certain position, and likened it to something, and that made it 'weird'. So he decided he wouldn't come to bed as 'what's the point, nothing's going to happen' and then - allegedly - changed his mind on Monday, but because I was 'snippy' with him in the day, he decided not to bother.

I said this was petty and childish of him.

Discussion continued, and became more heated. He said calling him petty and childish was emotional abuse, that I'm an abuser. He was bellowing at this stage, and pointing his finger in my face.

I was subject to physical abuse in a previous relationship, and have told him before that behaving in this manner makes me uncomfortable. I repeated this last night - he said why should my problems concern him?

He then stood in front of me, placed his hands just below my shoulder level, and pushed me. Not hard, but enough to make me take a step back (I weigh about 9st less than him). It didn't hurt me but I feel that this has really crossed a line.

I know if I raise it with him he will say 'I didn't hit you'. As though that makes it ok. But I think as a minimum for us to have any hope of even discussing any of this shit he needs to apologise, that's not unfair is it?

OP posts:
LimescaleCowboy · 08/04/2020 15:32

Oh my love, he's an utter arsehole and you need time to heal Flowers

hellsbellsmelons · 08/04/2020 15:38

I was quite upset by him accusing me of abusive behaviour
ALL abusers use this line OP. You know that!
So you didn't want sex 2 weeks ago and he's been punishing you ever since.
He full on shouted in your face aggressively with finger pointing in your face.
He put his hands on you to scare you.
But you are making excuses for him OP.
Once is enough and you know it.
Make the right decision here for you.
Do not accept any abuse.
I assume he stonewalls as well???

hellsbellsmelons · 08/04/2020 15:41

And he's cheated on you - A LOT!!!
You owe him nothing OP.
Keep him gone and block him on everything.
Give your head a wobble.
You should never have taken him back.
Don't allow anyone to guilt trip you into 'looking after' someone!
Stop allowing people to overstep your boundaries.
Stand firm. Block, ignore, delete.
Move on with your life.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2020 15:42

Good that he has gone and that he already knows you won't let him back in.

Now just ignore him and concentrate on you. You are obviously well rid of him

Savingshoes · 08/04/2020 16:01

Out with the bins please. To have just one dv death in the newspapers is one too many.

Holothane · 08/04/2020 16:25

Get rid you’ve wasted enough time on this loser, violent as well, get out as soon as you can.

jojobar · 08/04/2020 16:29

You're absolutely all telling me what I need to hear.

It's not me. I tried, I really have. I have shouted and got frustrated with him and the situation. I've said he was petty and childish, but he was being. He has previously called me a bitch (when he said I was behaving like one - so where's the difference?!)

The reason this is ending is because what he did. So that's on him.

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cheeseislife8 · 08/04/2020 16:33

What an absolute twat. Well done OP, now time to heal and enjoy your freedom Flowers

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2020 16:35

Yep. All on him. And he has left you, so consider yourself dumped... and move on.

Bitterglitter · 08/04/2020 16:53

What you're describing is the beginnings of a manipulative emotionally abusive relationship with someone who lacks the empathy to really care what he is doing to you.

Speaking from experience, it never gets better. You won't ever be able to reason with them or 'reach' them. And if it's become physical too.. there's no choice here. You need to end it before it damages you.

jojobar · 08/04/2020 17:13

I have tried to reason with him but he's so intransigent. Although he says I am.

Should I contact him to confirm it's over, or assume he realises this? Or say nothing unless he contacts me? And then obviously just say we're finished.

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VetOnCall · 08/04/2020 17:18

There are no prizes for 'trying' with abusive, cheating, dickhead men and giving them chance after chance. It's just a waste of your time, self respect and sanity. If someone treats you badly the onus is not on you to 'try harder' with them. They're the one with the issues, not you. They're the one that's not good enough. You can't fix them and shouldn't try. The only thing you should do in that situation is remove them from your life and not let them back in again. You can't reason or argue someone like this into changing and becoming a decent person, it just doesn't work.

There is immense strength in knowing when something is not good for you and being able to end it. It's not shame or failure on your part to end a toxic, abusive relationship, it's strength.

Wanderlust21 · 08/04/2020 17:24

You dont get to decide when to rsit down and resolve things when it comes to abusers. They want things to be unresolved. I only needed to get a third of the way through your first post to see what he was.

So glad you have seen it now too. It might be wise to do the freedom programme (I think it can be done online) seen as this was asshole number 2.

Dazedandconfusedpart2 · 08/04/2020 17:27

OP, you don't need to be the one to try. You owe this man and his late parebt absolutely nothing. I've read that you're finished and sincerely hope he doesn't manipulate you into changing your mind.
Every single abuser is Mr Nice Guy until the moment they aren't. If they started off at their worst, no person would ever put up with that.
You are not living the life you deserve if he's around. Stay strong.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2020 17:37

If you contact her m you continue to tell him m his behaviour is something you accept.

Imagine he has been abducted by aliens... he is gone! Disappeared. No longer exists.

Leave him wondering why you found it so very easy to let his superior manhood go!

category12 · 08/04/2020 18:39

You need to get your locks changed so he doesn't just walk back in as if nothing happened. Unless he handed his key back? It's fairly simple to do yourself - if not get a bolt (or temporarily leave your key in the lock). Hardware shops are still open as far as I know.

LizB62A · 08/04/2020 18:44

tbh I wouldn't bother contacting him, even to confirm that it's over.
I'd just block him if it was me.....

longtimecomin · 08/04/2020 18:47

Why discuss anything??? Just dump him 🤦‍♀️

Honeyroar · 08/04/2020 18:49

No it’s absolutely not you. It never was on any of his previous incidents.

Don’t contact him and don’t reply if he contacts you. He’s flounced, close the door firmly behind him. He won’t change and he’s not worth another moment of your time. Enjoy your peace.

jojobar · 08/04/2020 19:23

He doesn't have a key for here so that's not a problem. We do have a joint bank account which we use for trips etc but it's got no overdraft facility and there's only about 20 quid in it currently, he can keep that.

I've got some clothes at his but I'll probably not see them again. Not the end of the world though. He took all his tools (including the drill I bought him, which is a bit annoying as I have a few pictures etc to put up which I was planning to do over the Easter weekend and no drill now).

On the plus side I'm not constantly worrying about his moods, whether I've offended or upset him and so on. That's a definite plus.

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NoMoreDickheads · 08/04/2020 20:00

Just block him on everything- or even speak to the police as that is assault.

Hardware shops are still open I think, so you might still be able to get a drill. xx

billyt · 08/04/2020 20:12

I trust there's no way that joint account can be used to run up debts, loans etc. Just in case, I'd get I shut if you can.

You're free now to have a great life.

billyt · 08/04/2020 20:13

It shut, not I shut...doh!

DeeCeeCherry · 08/04/2020 20:20

Throw him the fuck out.

And then one of his parents became seriously ill and died, and the last thing they said to me was to please look after him

Look after him? errrmm how old is he, 12? You're not his Mum. & lots of us have parents who've died, we just have to grieve and go on with life as best we can.

All of that is a red herring. You don't sound longterm with strong ties in the scheme of things anyway, and even if you were.

Just get rid of him he's not exactly a catch is he. Sulks, violent tendencies, brings up stuff from the past. Tiresome all round. Having your own peace would be far better.

Wanderlust21 · 08/04/2020 20:26

Yeh I would shut that account. If he takes out extra money when there is no overdraft you could end up being saddled with the fine.

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