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Does she love me?

35 replies

HappyDad78 · 30/03/2020 00:36

Hi. I seem to end up on this site with answers to my many questions, but this is my first post. I apologise in advance for the long post. It’s such a long story and can’t even scratch the surface here. I’m hoping for some impartial views on my relationship situation, as really just don’t know who to turn to, or what to do. I have a girlfriend, who I’ve been with for over 15 years, and 3 children between the ages of 5 and 13.

I’m very much in love, and really would do anything for her, but I’m convinced she just doesn’t feel the same about me. I’ve approached her about it a few times, and she assures me I’m wrong, but I’m absolutely not convinced.

For many years (too long to remember), any kind of intimacy has been a real chore for her. She will never initiate any intimacy with me. If I try kiss her, she pulls away; if I hug her, she pushes me away. Sex is almost non-existent – and is only ever on her terms. The problem is, if I raise any concerns about basic intimacy, she tries to turn it into an argument about sex. She accuses me of just thinking about sex. If I try to explain that just a hug would go a long way, she bites my head off and tells me I only want a hug so I can push for more. She appears to use sex as some kind of weapon. She claims she’s not interested in sex or intimacy anymore and tries to make me feel like a bad person for needing some intimacy in a relationship.

I have tried to be patient with her, but what makes this completely unbearable is that she feels that it’s ok to chat, sexually, with other men. For many years (at least as long as the lack of intimacy has been going on for), she dips in and out of dating sites.. Now I’m not sure she’s necessarily met anyone (although do have high suspicious that she did a number weeks ago) – but the messages she sends are so sexual, and I even caught her doing a naked video chat with a man, some years ago – even though she won’t even take her clothes off in front of me.

I’ve approached her many times, but she just says that these other encounters are just meaningless – something to pass the time. She says so many sexual things to men, and sends inappropriate pictures etc. I actually tackled her about it the other week and she assured me she loved me, but just wanted to ‘have the power’ over these men she doesn’t know (kind of sounds a little weird). She stays up until 4 /5am in the morning, some days, just chatting away.

I feel like I’m being taken for a complete mug. In my head, I don’t see how she can have much respect for me if she consistently behaves like she does – but she says that there’s nothing wrong at all with what she does, as she doesn’t actually meet them (although I’m 99% certain she did a few weeks ago). I can’t help but think she’s just staying with me because it’s comfortable and she doesn’t have to worry about money or bills (as over 95% of the household income is from my work), as well as for the sake of the kids. But she’s clearly looking for excitement elsewhere. I try to get her to talk, but she never wants to talk about it, and just says she’s happy with things. Yes, sex lacks a lot these days – but after so many rejections over the years, I’m just too scared to initiate anything with her and can’t relax if the opportunity arises.

Am I being unreasonable, not wanting my girlfriend to have sexual conversations with other men? Is it ok she won’t get intimate with me, but will with other men on dating sites?

I feel I’m being naive by believing her and want to make our relationship work. But I can’t do it all on my own.

OP posts:
forumdonkey · 30/03/2020 01:48

Your partner is on dating sites?

I think it's time to pick up your dignity and self respect off the floor and leave her.

Isoskdidin88282 · 30/03/2020 01:56

Leave her - she’s playing with you. Move on ASAP

Littleshortcake · 30/03/2020 02:07

Leave her. You deserve so much more.

Itsjustme1986 · 30/03/2020 02:08

There would be nothing wrong with what she is doing if you were ok with it however you have told her you are uncomfortable with it and that's is a pretty normal reaction. She is being hugely disrespectful, and it is a form of cheating even if she hasn't met any of them. You need to stand up for yourself and make it clear what you think is acceptable and if she cannot respect that then talk about how you can separate with minimum impact to the children. Don't let her shut down your concerns, your feelings are valid and you are not being unreasonable.

rvby · 30/03/2020 02:55

@HappyDad78

Your post is shocking. How have you put up with such a shit relationship for 15 YEARS? Why did you have 3 children with someone who so clearly cannot be bothered with you?

Surely you can see that this woman is not your friend?? Let alone your partner?

There is nothing here for you OP. Whatever keeping you from leaving this horrible relationship? Dont you want to feel loved and have your kids see you happy?

Raffathebear · 30/03/2020 03:22

I dont think thats my idea of love, maybe likes you but not love. Open relationehip an option? Otherwise accept it and dont try her for intimacy or separate.

AzraiL · 30/03/2020 03:32

She doesn't love you. She's using you for your money. I'm so sorry, you deserve better.

Shoxfordian · 30/03/2020 04:34

She's cheating on you constantly on these dating sites. Please consider whether this is a relationship you want to continue with

category12 · 30/03/2020 07:02

She doesn't fancy you any more.

Either ask for an open relationship and both see other people, or end the relationship and move on with your lives.

HappyDad78 · 30/03/2020 19:05

Thanks everyone for your replies. I think it's pretty unanimous.

The trouble is, she goes through phases. So when I call her out, she will 'behave' for a period of time, and I stupidly forgive her. We'd had our second child before it started (or shall I say, before I became aware).

I'd decided enough was enough a few years ago, and moved on... but I'd convinced myself she'd changed and went back.

She tries to guilt me by saying I'm trying to control her. I don't mind her having male friends, but I do mind when said male friends get to see her naked more often than I do.

I'm not really into the open relationship kind of thing - or at least not in this situation. As said, if she was fully involved with me and we shared intimacy, then I'd be open to the suggestion she just wants more. It's the fact she wants none with me, but lots with other people.

Of course, there's two sides to every story, and I'm sure she'll find plenty of things she doesn't like about me too.

I guess the main reason for me to keep trying is because of the children.

OP posts:
samyeagar · 30/03/2020 19:14

She is an abuser, and you are in an abusive relationship. She has weaponized sex and has gaslighted you. She is accusing you of being controlling as a way to shame you into submission.

LTB.

MrsSnitchnose · 30/03/2020 19:18

I'm sorry, but this woman does not love you. Please don't stay because of the children, it's never the answer. No one should be putting up with this kind of thing.

Leave and give yourself the chance to meet someone who will love and appreciate you Flowers

YappityYapYap · 30/03/2020 19:21

Yeah she's a piss taker and emotionally abusive too. When you say you aren't comfortable with her behaviour, she turns it around and says you're controlling. Since when is being uncomfortable with cheating being controlling!

Tell her if she wants the single life, she can have it but you won't be propping her up financially and giving her a comfortable life anymore because you deserve better.

cherryblossomgin · 30/03/2020 19:26

Sounds like she is staying with you for convenience. Her 'behaving' for a few weeks is just her way to stop you leaving and if she had any respect for you she wouldn't be on these sites. Would she be able to sustain her lifestyle as a single person?

rvby · 30/03/2020 19:32

@HappyDad78 you're teaching your kids weird things about what a relationship should look like, how happy they should expect to be as an adult, what they should accept from a partner, etc...

Is that what you want?

What would they be losing if you two split up and you left her to it? That's a genuine question, maybe there is something here that you feel supersedes the "what are you two teaching these kids" bit.

otterhound · 30/03/2020 19:36

She doesn't fancy you. Its probable you make her skin crawl.

Why don't you let her find you chatting to someone naked.

Join a dating site and openly message women.

Stop being a complete doormat. Words mean nothing. She doesnt love you, she despises you.

You say girl friend, so I hopefully if you arnt married you can up and leave and just make sure your kids are looked after - assuming they on fact are all yours.

I am being harsh I know but you need virtual slap to pull you out of the fog you are so clearly in.

Leave and do it now.

StormCiara · 30/03/2020 19:42

I agree with the slant of these replies but some of them are unnecessarily harsh.

tryingtoconcieve1 · 30/03/2020 19:44

She doesn’t love you sorry

beachbreeze · 30/03/2020 19:49

I actually agree with otterhound. Very immature, but before leaving a twat who behaved like your girlfriend does, I would brazenly get chatting to naked "friends" from dating sites. See how she likes it. Cheeky cow.

EasyPleasey · 30/03/2020 23:53

I'm sorry she doesnt love you, hasnt for a long time and is very unlikely to love you in the future. Sounds like shes happy to live a comfortable life with you supporting her financially while she has intimacy with other men.

Please leave her and find someone worth your time and effort. When you meet someone who reciprocates love you'll be in no doubt.

Closetbeanmuncher · 31/03/2020 20:25

If you can't tell she doesn't love or want you you from the way you're being treated I don't know what to tell you OP.

This is your lot if you stay with this woman, ffs grow a spine and end it.

Healthyandhappy · 31/03/2020 20:32

Go and take the kids if shes obsessed with lots of men u dont know what's happening with the kids!

Gobbycop · 31/03/2020 20:39

I haven't got to the end of your initial post.

If this is how it is then ditch her.

She's treating you like shit.

HappyDad78 · 31/03/2020 20:40

Thank you everyone.

Actually reading back through some of the comments, really do make me wonder what the hell I've been doing, and why I've just put up with it for so long.

It's been embarrassing to talk about so have never really opened up to anyone. Even close friends don't quite understand the full extent.

I suppose I set a precedent to her that it was ok to behave like this.

Hearing the direct comments from other people, really has helped me see it for what it is - thank you!

OP posts:
Windmillwhirl · 31/03/2020 20:43

You've gotten used to being treated really badly. I am shocked at what youve put up with.

Surely the unknown is better than a lifetime of being used and demoralised?