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Does she love me?

35 replies

HappyDad78 · 30/03/2020 00:36

Hi. I seem to end up on this site with answers to my many questions, but this is my first post. I apologise in advance for the long post. It’s such a long story and can’t even scratch the surface here. I’m hoping for some impartial views on my relationship situation, as really just don’t know who to turn to, or what to do. I have a girlfriend, who I’ve been with for over 15 years, and 3 children between the ages of 5 and 13.

I’m very much in love, and really would do anything for her, but I’m convinced she just doesn’t feel the same about me. I’ve approached her about it a few times, and she assures me I’m wrong, but I’m absolutely not convinced.

For many years (too long to remember), any kind of intimacy has been a real chore for her. She will never initiate any intimacy with me. If I try kiss her, she pulls away; if I hug her, she pushes me away. Sex is almost non-existent – and is only ever on her terms. The problem is, if I raise any concerns about basic intimacy, she tries to turn it into an argument about sex. She accuses me of just thinking about sex. If I try to explain that just a hug would go a long way, she bites my head off and tells me I only want a hug so I can push for more. She appears to use sex as some kind of weapon. She claims she’s not interested in sex or intimacy anymore and tries to make me feel like a bad person for needing some intimacy in a relationship.

I have tried to be patient with her, but what makes this completely unbearable is that she feels that it’s ok to chat, sexually, with other men. For many years (at least as long as the lack of intimacy has been going on for), she dips in and out of dating sites.. Now I’m not sure she’s necessarily met anyone (although do have high suspicious that she did a number weeks ago) – but the messages she sends are so sexual, and I even caught her doing a naked video chat with a man, some years ago – even though she won’t even take her clothes off in front of me.

I’ve approached her many times, but she just says that these other encounters are just meaningless – something to pass the time. She says so many sexual things to men, and sends inappropriate pictures etc. I actually tackled her about it the other week and she assured me she loved me, but just wanted to ‘have the power’ over these men she doesn’t know (kind of sounds a little weird). She stays up until 4 /5am in the morning, some days, just chatting away.

I feel like I’m being taken for a complete mug. In my head, I don’t see how she can have much respect for me if she consistently behaves like she does – but she says that there’s nothing wrong at all with what she does, as she doesn’t actually meet them (although I’m 99% certain she did a few weeks ago). I can’t help but think she’s just staying with me because it’s comfortable and she doesn’t have to worry about money or bills (as over 95% of the household income is from my work), as well as for the sake of the kids. But she’s clearly looking for excitement elsewhere. I try to get her to talk, but she never wants to talk about it, and just says she’s happy with things. Yes, sex lacks a lot these days – but after so many rejections over the years, I’m just too scared to initiate anything with her and can’t relax if the opportunity arises.

Am I being unreasonable, not wanting my girlfriend to have sexual conversations with other men? Is it ok she won’t get intimate with me, but will with other men on dating sites?

I feel I’m being naive by believing her and want to make our relationship work. But I can’t do it all on my own.

OP posts:
Isitsixoclockalready · 31/03/2020 20:57

Sometimes it's hard to see the wood from the trees but typing it out and reading it back probably helped to drive home how unacceptable the situation is. Hopefully you can find someone that you can have a loving and mutually respectful relationship with.

Leodot · 31/03/2020 21:00

OP I’m so sorry that you are going through this. You don’t deserve it. I think it is clear that she is manipulating you and being very emotionally abusive. I think you need to end this relationship and work out how you are going to split caring for your children between you. She sounds incredibly nasty and egotistical and you are better off out of this. It’s not easy to walk away, especially when you have stayed for a number of years but you deserve the chance of a happier future away from her. Have courage OP. Hugs to you. ❤️

HatRack · 31/03/2020 21:06

Op document as much of her behavior as possible. Then leave and file for a child arrangements order in court. Minimum 50%. You WILL be okay on your own. In fact, you will thrive. It might take a few years, but you will overcome this. If you had stated away last time, you would be over her by now. Be strong.

AgathaX · 31/03/2020 21:19

Awful, shocking behaviour from her.

I wonder why she does this? Why she plays with men like this. Why she gets naked with her male 'friends'? She sounds horribly abusive and not a fit parent either. Staying up until those hours to do that - how does she function to be a responsible parent the next day?

This isn't a relationship. You deserve better. Your kids deserve to not have to see their Dad being treated in this awful way.

Closetbeanmuncher · 01/04/2020 22:10

I'm starting to think the OP is cuckhold..

Poppy54 · 01/04/2020 23:29

"Am I being unreasonable, not wanting my girlfriend to have sexual conversations with other men? Is it ok she won’t get intimate with me, but will with other men on dating sites?"

Imagine a brother or friend said this to you. You know you're not being unreasonable. And you know it's not ok.

LouiseCollina · 02/04/2020 03:19

I have to say this is one of the most shocking relationship threads I’ve ever read, here or anywhere. For God’s sake pack your bags OP. There is a woman out there who’ll remind you what love is, but you’ll have to leave before you can find her. I wish you the very best of luck.

HappyDad78 · 03/04/2020 10:38

Having re-read what I've written, and all of the comments, I can't even understand how I've even come to this. The funny thing is, this isn't even the complete story (I won't mention the ££££s lost gambling).

Anyway, I think it's finally clear what I need to do now. I guess she's cleverer than I thought, and has understood how far she can push me, and taken full advantage of my forgiving and naive nature.

I think someone nailed it on the head when they said 'gaslighting' - as that's exactly it. She would always make everything out to be my fault, and I would mostly believe I was playing a large part. Yes, I'm not perfect, but this behaviour is far beyond anything a normal person would surely do.

When we split up, she tried to guilt me into wrecking the children's lives... and when we had a big wobble a couple of months ago she reminded me of that. And when we split up before, she made up loads of stuff about me to try and turn people against me, and she was even staying stuff to the children trying to turn them against me. Me being me, didn't want to involve the kids, so just too it on the chin, so guess I'm afraid of my kids hating me - unless I tell them the gory details (and I really wouldn't do that)

She can't change for more than a few months and I am just kidding myself if I think she can.

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otterhound · 03/04/2020 13:49

Well at least if you split you know what’s coming.

With friends, get in 1st and tell them exactly why.
With the kids I guess if she is going to go down that route maybe honestly is the best bet from the start.

Maybe she is bi-polar or a narc, either way she isn’t going to go quietly so be prepared and sometimes you have to meet fire with fire.

MaidenMotherCrone · 03/04/2020 15:26

Start putting together your exit plan Op.

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