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what do you wish you would've known about men before you started dating them?

81 replies

Youcanstay · 20/02/2020 19:21

Just curious.

OP posts:
NAFScamander · 21/02/2020 10:46

That no matter how much you trust them, they will cheat given half a chance.

That no matter what they say about how things will change once they have children, nothing changes.

That you need to run a full internet search on potential dates as chances are they already have a girlfriend/wife.

SirChing · 21/02/2020 10:51

If they really like you, they are politely (and not stalkery) persistent but still respect boundaries and back off at "No".

Not many men are like that and so being single is WAY better than being in a crap relationship (or in some cases, better than being in any relationship!).

Weffiepops · 21/02/2020 10:51

A lot of them aren't worth having. By a lot I mean at least 70% of them ...

ATowelAndAPotato · 21/02/2020 11:01

well. this is depressing.

blissfulllife · 21/02/2020 11:17

I've taught all my daughters to be self sufficient and not to rely on a partner. Learnt my lesson many moons ago that it's safer to want to be with someone rather than need to be with someone

poopbear · 21/02/2020 11:24

They are disgusting. Will eat bogeys and scratch their balls and sniff their fingers. They only think about sex and are selfish and want their own way. As soon as you start telling them no, they’ll fuck off. There is no loyalty. Never ever give up your friends or your money or your career or your life for a bloke. Never. You’ll regret it. Men still rule this world and it’s always all about them. Keeps wide variety of friends that have no link to your man so that when he fucks off you’ve got a wide circle to call on. A bloke who has at least two ex wives has something fundamentally wrong with him (unless they died). Don’t touch with a barge pole and be very wary of any bloke in their late 40s/early 50s who is divorced with young kids. The chances are the wife got fed up with his selfish behaviour/not pulling his weight.

poopbear · 21/02/2020 11:25

@Weffiepops I’d say it’s more like 85%

PumpkinP · 21/02/2020 11:26

I wish I had been more money orientated and only went for a guy that was wealthy.

Hepsibar · 21/02/2020 11:27

That my parents, my friends and acquaintances were right!
That feeling sorry for someone is not enough.
How a person is brought up really affects their outlook and how they want to live.
You cannot intrinsically change someone only they can do that if they want to.
It is actually better to be single than to be with someone because you are scared of being on your own.
Do not ignore any red flags, for example, veiled threats over what happened to people who finished with them or friends, over possessiveness, poor education, smoking, drinking excessively, always trying to get out of paying or sharing costs ... ...

TomPettysTopHat · 21/02/2020 11:37

That you can't 'save' them - go into a caring profession if that's a personality trait you have.
Otherwise you'll end up with a narcissist.

That ultimately they will always put their needs before everyone else.

It's best to have your own money and, ideally, your own property.

That we don't need them.

AmazingGreats · 21/02/2020 11:42

I think they should teach a teen friendly version of the freedom programme to school kids (both Male and female).

Much more useful than being taught to put condoms on bananas.

Teach people not to be abusive shits, how to recognise abusive shits, and everybody to take their own reproductive responsibility.

edwinbear · 21/02/2020 11:43

That he is a pathological liar, emotionally immature, with absolutely no compassion or empathy for anyone. That he is the most selfish and self-centred man I have ever had the misfortune to meet, with absolutely no regard for anyone else's feelings. That he was completely focused on himself in bed without an ounce of care as to whether I was satisfied. That I was always at the absolute bottom of his list of priorities and would make an absolute fool of myself chasing after him, because of the lies he told me about how he felt about me.

That when he became bored with me, he'd ghost. Which is obviously for the best but Christ I miss him Sad

GilbertMarkham · 21/02/2020 11:43

That dating wasn’t just about “am I good enough for them” but very much “are they good enough for me”

x 1000

AmazingGreats · 21/02/2020 11:44

I wish I'd been told to not listen to their words or grand performances of love, but for their every day acts of care and kindness. Love is making your sick partner a lemsip and remembering to take the bin out on bin day without being asked, it's the tiny thoughtful functional actions of a life. Not sparkly engagement rings

justsomethingred · 21/02/2020 11:47

That a fair few of them really don't respect women as individuals and are fine with finding someone who fulfils their generic requirements instead of looking for someone who really touches them as a person. And that some of these men feel they're perfectly in their right to become abusive if their partner does not do what they think are generic 'women things'. I really don't get why you would want to share your life in such a superficial way instead of just taking care of yourself as a single person, but then I guess I'm not a man.

HolaWeenie · 21/02/2020 11:49

That most of them don't have the same hang ups about your body that you do.

UseBy2020 · 21/02/2020 11:51

For my exH:

  • Alcoholics can't or won't "just stop drinking".
  • No matter whether it's can't or won't, the effect is the same on their families and friends.
  • Alcoholism runs in families. If parents and grandparents were alcoholics, the next generation will be affected in one way or another.
ZeroFucks · 21/02/2020 11:58

That he ate his own bogies

UseBy2020 · 21/02/2020 12:07

If we go more generic, there's little I can say about all men, or all dating experiences, beyond repeating the warning up-thread, not to ignore red flags early in a relationship.

It's at least good to see from these posts that there is at least variation in our negative experiences. Or maybe we are drawn very much to particular types of men according to our own personalities, strengths and weaknesses.

I've never been with a man who thought about or wanted sex more than me, or who pestered me for sex when I didn't want it.

I've never been with a physically violent man.

I've never been with a man who regularly watched porn.

I've never been with a man who cheated on me (to the best of my knowledge, of course).

Now, if only I could find someone who doesn't want me to be their mother, pays their own way in life, and has no substance abuse issues...

woooooo · 21/02/2020 12:10

That there are men who are so lovely that they will restore your faith in men after being treated badly by one so much it taints your whole view of them.

stoptherideiwanttogetoff · 21/02/2020 12:25

There needs to be a book written on red flags, I'd never have married him had I read that book. I'd also not be financially controlled by a lying cheating, selfish H who gives zero f*cks for anyone but himself. I will get out of this shit storm or a marriage of it kills me!

Nyctophyllia · 21/02/2020 12:31

They lie, and unless they've got a gold plated ten inch cock they're replaceable

happyandsingle · 21/02/2020 13:18

That they are on another planet to women they will never be like us in there way of thinking, how they act.And that fundamentally a lot of them hate women but they would never admit to it.

butterballs9 · 21/02/2020 13:49

The single most important thing to watch out for is the relationship that he has with his parents/caregivers especially his mother. Our first relationships are with our parents or primary caregivers. This is the model of a relationship that will go forward into his adult life. 'Good enough' parents are firm but kind; have appropriate boundaries; model reasonable behaviour and supportive relationships.

It's true that there are quite a few men around who don't like women much or don't respect them and this will almost certainly relate to attitudes and behaviours picked up from parents. I didn't have sons but many of my friends with sons admit that they spoil them, over and above their daughters. I was shocked when one of my daughter's boyfriends lived with us for a time as I definitely fussed over him and my daughter found it irritating! It was partly the novelty of having a boy in the house but I honestly shocked myself with my behaviour. The boyfriend loved it of course!

If the parents are too indulgent and lax about poor behaviour, boys end up not taking much responsibility for how they behave. They expect to be indulged by adoring women even if they behave badly. If the mother and/or father don't set standards for decent behaviour then there is no real incentive to change and he will expect his girlfriend/wife to do the same.

The other thing to watch out for is empathy. There are a lot of narcissists around (and other personality disorders) and by the time they reach adulthood they have learnt to disguise this quite well. I was married to a covert narcissist - he hid it very well, but the sense of undeserved entitlement was definitely there and still is. I think he lacked depth of genuine emotion. Look for genuine emotion and someone who has a strong sense of values - i.e: good character.

Sadly, getting all that along with a man who you also find sexually attractive, and vice-versa, interesting, intelligent etc is rather like searching for the unicorn! Sometimes, though, good things come in unexpected packages.

Totally agree about not ignoring red flags at the beginning. Every single red flag I ignored were the things that in the end broke the marriage. Every single one - they were all there practically from the word go and I also found that once we were married he turned into a version of his father with a huge sense of entitlement. So watch out for how his father treats significant women in his life because this is a boy's role model for relationships. That was another red flag I ignored. On my first visit to my ex-husband's house, his father didn't bother to get up and greet me but remained slumped in a chair in the kitchen. His father was more of an overt narcissist. Manners do matter as they demonstrate the degree to which someone will behave in order to make a good impression. Of course, manners can be faked so you have to look beyond them but they still matter.

rvby · 21/02/2020 14:01

That they understand so little about themselves, their emotions and motivations, that they are rarely able to tell the truth.

That there are so many of them. There is no need to get worked up about one of them not liking you or not being quite right for you. Just get rid, they are like buses tbh.