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Exh was my first and only partner, terminally shy about sex with a potential new person

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Justhow · 12/02/2020 22:20

Exh was my first and only boyfriend and I stayed with him for about 22 years. I divorced him due to walking on eggshells around him, his recurrent silent treatments (which would last 6 to 8 weeks at a time), and the fact that he refused to do things like put the family home in both names, or consider that other assets of “his” might be mine also. The divorce was horrible and we are not on speaking terms. We have teenage dc who live with me.

The first half of our marriage was better than the second half and one thing that did work between us was sex which I used to love. However I was 27 when I met H and had had literally no experience with men at all before that - none. I had had lots of crushes but must have been terminally shy.

Ex moved out almost two years ago and in any case the last few years of our marriage were almost completely sexless. He had also shown me no physical affection for years.

So now, I find myself wondering if and how I will ever sleep with anyone again??? In December I joined an online dating site and since the end of December and the end of last week went on 7 dates with one guy. He has now said that for various reasons he doesn’t want to date but would rather be friends. I was reaching that point myself but also feel sad as I really liked him.

However, I have no idea how to gauge any potential feelings of attraction as I am kind of terrified. He was clearly spooked by the lack of partners in my life (being someone who has been in many relationships), and because of this didn’t want to make any moves on me and was kind of waiting for me to do it. But I couldn’t because though I could kind of tell that he fancied me (which he also told me), I was terrified, and also, he didn’t make it any easier by being reticent himself.

On the last two dates we managed to kiss on the mouth but they were just goodbye kisses on the mouth, not passionate, and I kind of felt nothing Confused.

So while I did fancy him - or at least in my head I did, I don’t know if feeling nothing when we “kissed” meant that actually I really didn’t, or if it was the lack of emotion on his part - he was kind of guarded - which meant I felt nothing. He is a lovely guy and I really enjoyed his company.

More to the point, I wonder how I am EVER going to get close enough to anyone to sleep with them. It’s like being the shy inexperienced person I was at 27 all over again. Only it’s weirder this time round.

I literally cannot imagine getting to the stage where I might be in bed with someone who isn’t exh, but I don’t want him back thanks very much (not that that’s an option).

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GothMummy · 13/02/2020 21:41

OP I know just how you feel and I would feel the same. I have been married for over 22 years. There is no way I could have sex outside of a committed, long term monogamous relationship (for various reasons, but trust and personal beliefs being one of them) so if my husband and I finally separate for good that will be me single forever I guess, if that is expected of modern dating.

Bythecooker · 13/02/2020 21:41

When I first did online dating after a long period of celibacy after the ending of a ltr I was terrified of sex. I had quite a few dates with a man, he was very patient and very understanding. I ended it in the end as I just couldn't. I seriously thought I just don't think I ever can. Then I met another man, not as patient but certainly not pushy and also kind and I did have sex with him and a ltr which has since ended. My point is, there are patient men and also perhaps if you fancy them just a bit more you'll be more open to it. Not every man on old is pushy and there is no hurry, when you are ready you'll be ready and if you're never ready that doesn't matter either!

Justhow · 13/02/2020 23:26

Thank you for your messages - yes I guess I don’t know what or who might be round the corner.

Re my 7 date person, I think I did fancy him, but we were unable (for whatever reason) to get close in the time we had together, and I guess that too is a choice / factor. I think I would be as shy with anyone. Or maybe I am wrong but I will only find out when (if) I find out! I don’t know, I am also middle aged and maybe it has affected my libido (damn and blast).

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Justhow · 13/02/2020 23:30

I definitely felt an attraction for him, and the thought of him on dates with other people isn’t pleasant. I guess if I didn’t care about him I wouldn’t mind who he now sees or doesn’t see.....

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Bacardi101 · 13/02/2020 23:45

OP I’m sorry if this sounds awful but are you a sexual person on your own? If you get my drift! I left a long term abusive relationship and the thought of being intimate with other people horrified me! I spent some time making sure I knew my own body and what I liked and it increased my own libido and now even though I’m still not at it every weekend with ONS I’m more comfortable around that side of things.

Justhow · 14/02/2020 06:07

are you a sexual person on your own? I used to be sometimes @Bacardi101, but it’s so nothing like being with a warm and comforting whole person that I stopped. I appreciate what you are saying however. The fear is not so much around that for me, it’s how to get close to anyone in the first place (though doing all that with a new person would also be weird Confused). I should never have told my online date about my history I think, and he might have been a lot more relaxed (maybe, maybe not).

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Justhow · 14/02/2020 06:18

Might have generally got closer to me or somehow made it ok for me to do it, that’s all. The more I try to analyse it the less sense any of it makes.

Anyway if we had got together it probably wouldn’t have lasted long, as he is someone who has had a lot of partners, and some of them must have been very short lived - so I might have been short lived as well and there is no way that I am strong enough to go through a break up at this point.... So in that sense I guess I was as (physically) guarded as he was - it’s kind of self-protective. Still really liked/like him however, and who knows how things might have developed if we had been friends first without the pressure that dating seems to exert.

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GothMummy · 14/02/2020 09:42

It's the pressure and artificially fast paced development of a relationship that would put me off OLD, I discussed this with a group of similarly aged friends and we all agreed we felt the same, but despaired of how else you are to meet people :( I really can say you are not alone though OP.

Justhow · 14/02/2020 12:29

Yes, definitely artificially paced. Not to mention all the potential players hiding online .

I guess it might be easier to meet people IRL when younger and less tied down by responsibilities. I hope you find what/who you are looking for @GothMummy.

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Barbararara · 15/02/2020 08:23

Can I tentatively suggest that you need to meet more men?
You’re not going to be attracted to everyone you meet. And, frustratingly, sexual attraction doesn’t always go hand in hand with the other aspects of a person that we admire.
I spent my teens and twenties thinking there was something wrong with me, but I just hadn’t met the right person. The first time I experienced “chemistry” was a revelation. Sadly it wasn’t a feasible relationship. But it opened my eyes completely.

You’ve already had a great sex life, so you know you’re capable. Now you just need to find someone compatible, that sparks that fire again. When you do, you’ll know because you won’t be thinking about anything else. Wink

I get the impression from chatting to rl friends that I’m unusual in this respect (though I also wonder if maybe they’ve never experienced a really powerful connection) but I would struggle to have sex just for the sake of it.

So my suggestion would be to meet lots and lots of men, until you feel the spark and then take it at a pace that works for you.

ravenmum · 15/02/2020 12:37

Anyway if we had got together it probably wouldn’t have lasted long, as he is someone who has had a lot of partners, and some of them must have been very short lived - so it might have been short lived as well and there is no way that I am strong enough to go through a break up at this point....
I'll be honest: if you aren't ready for a breakup then you aren't ready for a relationship. Any man you meet could break up with you after any length of time. You yourself would not stay with someone purely because you ideally want a long-term relationship, would you?

Look at me - I had one relationship prior to #2, but I broke it off with him after a year or so. And now I'm probably shoving off to another country, leaving #3 behind. My history of long-term relationships has been no guarantee whatsoever that I am in it for the long term. (The opposite, to be honest.)

My current bf has had loads more partners than me, the longest relationship being 8 years I think. At first, like you, I thought that meant that he was fickle, hard to live with or uninterested in anything long-term. But now I've got to know him I realise I was being judgemental - he is just as much up for and capable of a long-term thing as the next man.

Justhow · 15/02/2020 15:15

Can I tentatively suggest that you need to meet more men? yes I probably do @Barbararara, but I am not sure how to go about this in a way which doesn’t involve online dating, or getting attached to people, or just general feelings of anxiety!

With the attraction, I genuinely don’t know what’s what because I have not been in that situation for a gazillion years, and it all felt / feels alien. And even before that I was always shy.

I'll be honest: if you aren't ready for a breakup then you aren't ready for a relationship. - I agree @ravenmum, the moment you let someone else into your life they could hurt you or vice versa, and I have just about enough strength to deal with my life as it is, at least at the moment.

With the difference in number of partners, I take the point you are making about it not being necessarily linked to the length of possible future relationships. However it was more that I think my online date was weirded out by how few relationships I had had (one!) and how few dates I had been on (none unless you count two dates with someone which lead to nothing when I was about 25). He then told me quite a few times how many partners he had had (almost as if he couldn’t believe how different my experience was to his, though I guess being married for so long does kind of get in the way of being in lots or relationships). I guess I thought he might be someone who finds it easy to fall in and out of love, and I am so scared of being hurt. This doesn’t at all change how much I like/liked him however.

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Justhow · 15/02/2020 15:21

(And I kind of agree that my lack of experience prior to meeting my ex is weird and kind of embarrassing.)

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Justhow · 15/02/2020 15:21

lots of relationships

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Jane1978xx · 15/02/2020 15:53

Join the dating thread there are many of us in the same boat. With the same
Partner for 20 years or more then moving onto some new. Luckily before my ex h I did have other Partners. You will be fine and i think age gives you more
Confidence to speak up on what you want. There is also so much info on the internet and advice

TheStuffedPenguin · 15/02/2020 16:19

Do not do the discussion of previous partners . It's not needed and not nice .

Just get out via online or IRL and meet a few men and go for a few coffee dates .

I met IRL a guy who got me over this fear after 23 years of marriage . I found him hugely attractive but was terrified and told him so . He was extremely kind about it and we ended up having the best sex for a year . He wasn't looking for a relationship though so I left him but my experiences with him have made me so confident in that department now . My now H has certainly benefitted and I realise too how crap my first marriage was.

PerfectPretender · 15/02/2020 16:24

It sounds like your ex was a controlling abuser, op. I'm glad you've escaped him. Have you done the freedom programme at all? I recently left a 20 year relationship and jumped into dating too fast. Ended up with another version of my ex but managed to notice after only a few months and binned him off. I'm taking a break from dating now and just focusing on me.

As for advice to push yourself or drink on a date, this I would NOT do. Your boundaries are acceptable, and you're allowed to be "shy." There's nothing wrong with you.

ittooshallpass · 15/02/2020 17:40

I should never have told my online date about my history I think

You're right OP. There is no need to tell anyone about your history. Absolutely none of anyone's business but your own.

NaughtyLittleElf · 15/02/2020 20:00

I think you misunderstood the idea of a one night stand on your own terms, the only way to get some experience is to have some dates that lead to sex but with the absolute intention of no having a second date, so there's no rejection on either side. I was also very inexperienced coming out of a LTR, I started off with dates that ended in kissing and built from there. The danger of waiting to find a man who you've connected with is that by that point feelings are involved and most new relationships don't go the distance, better in my experience to develop your confidence with men you're not emotionally involved with

Justhow · 15/02/2020 21:51

Your boundaries are acceptable, and you're allowed to be "shy." There's nothing wrong with you.. Thanks @PerfectPretender Flowers.

I always think that the kind of emotional/verbal abuse I went through doesn’t warrant the Freedom Programme or that a lot of it doesn’t apply to me, but maybe I am wrong?

I guess with the telling each other about our histories (in general terms), it was all in context.

With the ONSs, I appreciate what you were saying about them being one offs @NaughtyLittleElf, but I don’t think I would be able to sleep with someone without being emotionally attached in the first place - but I agree that this also comes with risks, and would make break ups worse.

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Justhow · 15/02/2020 21:59

@TheStuffedPenguin I guess there are a lot of us out of long marriages, and then scared witless. It’s good to hear that people manage to get over that hurdle to then go on and form new relationships.

Thanks @Jane1978xx - I will bear the OLD thread in mind. At the moment I don’t think I am strong enough to go back into it and the danger of getting emotionally attached to people who you then don’t get to see for very long is too high. And for now I miss “my” lovely 7 dates guy Sad.

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PerfectPretender · 15/02/2020 22:21

The freedom programme is open to everyone, and I'm sure you would benefit from it xxx

ravenmum · 16/02/2020 15:26

my online date was weirded out by how few relationships I had had
Then he was the wrong man for you. You need someone more open-minded and understanding, who is good-mannered and thoughtful enough not to embarrass you by going on about how many partners he's had.

Before my exh I had had 3 dates, never slept with anyone - didn't want to for various reasons until I met exh. So after the divorce I was in just about the same situation as you in terms of experience. But I can't say I find it bad: I have a 20-year-old who's not had a proper girlfriend yet and I'd rather he waited until he's ready, too. Neither post-divorce bf was weirded out - I didn't go into the detail but joked about how I was a late bloomer and went straight into a long marriage, so they knew I didn't have a great long list of ex-lovers.

Next time if a guy makes you feel like it's weird, I'd recommend crossing him off and moving on to the next one on your list!

Justhow · 16/02/2020 16:11

I didn't go into the detail but joked about how I was a late bloomer and went straight into a long marriage, so they knew I didn't have a great long list of ex-lovers.

That’s probably a much better way of putting things. (I might use that in future if you don’t mind Grin, if there’s ever a next time 🙄). I guess I was nervous and a bit too literal. I don’t think my online date was trying to make me feel bad (he is very sweet), but was just trying to express how different his history was. I guess he couldn’t help what his gut reaction to mine was, but he was not unkind. I suppose if people are unsure in any case, they aren’t going to want to “take on” something which seems like it might be too much hard work.

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