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Signed sexual consent forms

63 replies

AlwaysInTroubleAgain · 12/02/2020 12:09

Hello
Just wondering if you had any thoughts on this?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51448445

A lawyer is suggesting that it's now safer to have signed sexual consent forms before parties DTD. I'm wondering about drawing some up for my son.

Has anyone any thoughts or experience in this? I think they are no different to consent forms for any dangerous sports or activities (Skiing, Rugby, ATV etc).

Ms Rotunno is definitely correct, it eliminates the risk and so everyone knows where they are

OP posts:
Lozzerbmc · 12/02/2020 18:10

This is frankly ridiculous...

GothMummy · 12/02/2020 18:20

Christ No.
This is a terrifying idea that leaves women open to abuse. What if you go yo bed with someone and then suddenly you have to say "No, stop, this isn't OK anymore" for whatever reason. And they just continue, because you signed a consent form. Chilling.

BottleBeach · 12/02/2020 18:29

No OP, your son needs understand that yes means yes.
This song has some useful pointers:

IvinghoeBeacon · 12/02/2020 19:46

Come on OP, admit that this is a windup

Aposterhasnoname · 12/02/2020 19:52

Actually OP I’m starting to think that perhaps you should present your DS with a stack of these forms and tell him he has to get anyone he sleeps with to sign them. Twice.

Please video his reaction for us.

partysong · 12/02/2020 21:45

@BottleBeach - the woman in that video is brilliant

YappityYapYap · 12/02/2020 21:59

Ridiculous. More rapes happen when the person originally consents or gives the go ahead but changes their mind before it starts or part way through. Those are the kind of rapes that rarely get prosecuted and this would make those cases even worse to prosecute! Things change. Someone can feel up to it then suddenly not, for whatever reason and it is a persons human rights to withdraw consent at any time.

Rape is not a black and white case of someone being forced. All you need to do is read a few threads on here to see that some women have been raped despite being in the same bed as their partner/husband and consenting at first but then saying no and their partner just carries on

mypoorfurbaby · 12/02/2020 22:22

If you want your son to understand consent you need to teach him. Try the consent is like a cup of tea video.

Just because you have a signed agreement at 10.00pm does not mean that the other party can't change their minds at 10.01.

I can see these being massively abused by nasty controlling rapist in abusive relationships. A bit like the outdated book rape in marriage' laws, this will become 'she signed an agreement' so it can't be rape.

AlanRickmanFanClub · 12/02/2020 22:47

I don't believe anybody would be stupid enough to sign such a thing. Consent can be withdrawn at any time and that's all you need to teach your son, respect in sexual relationships and no means no.

I bet Reddit MNTrolls is having a field day with this one.

category12 · 13/02/2020 05:58

Harvey Weinstein's lawyer - what possible motive could she have for making out that men need to protect themselves from "false" allegations?

Oh I wonder? What could it be possibly be? [/sarcasm]

[chinny reckon]

Consent isn't hard.

Theworldisfullofgs · 13/02/2020 06:04

Why can't you just talk to your son about consent?

Scott72 · 13/02/2020 06:43

"I had thought that legally you were allowed to withdraw consent from sexual realtions at any point during the activity,"

Yes, this is why it wouldn't work. Men just have to learn to avoid all coercion, even subtle types such as nagging, and to be very cautious and stop if there's any sign of hesitation or "freezing up" up on the woman's part.

BottleBeach · 13/02/2020 09:48

@partysong
the woman in that video is brilliant

Isn’t she?!

Honestly, if someone doesn’t have the emotional intelligence to work out whether their partner is enjoying having sex with them, all the way through, then they should not be having sex at all.

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