Signed sexual consent forms

[AlwaysInTroubleAgain]

Hello
Just wondering if you had any thoughts on this?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51448445

A lawyer is suggesting that it's now safer to have signed sexual consent forms before parties DTD. I'm wondering about drawing some up for my son.

Has anyone any thoughts or experience in this? I think they are no different to consent forms for any dangerous sports or activities (Skiing, Rugby, ATV etc).

Ms Rotunno is definitely correct, it eliminates the risk and so everyone knows where they are

Also the analogy with consent forms for dangerous sports doesn't hold up.

The ATV doesn't have an equal say in what activities take place. It is an object that is used by the rider (who is acknowledging that they are taking a certain amount of risk).

Sexual consent is not about acknowledging risk and saying "we won't sue if anything bad happens because we're already aware that it's risky." Sexual consent is about CONSENT ... about both partners being willing participants to all actions, and bearing equal responsibility if something goes wrong (e.g. birth control failure).

There is very little similarity to a consent form you sign to carry out a dangerous activity.

p.s. doritosdip you sound like a great mum!

This and add the Key fact document which include early termination charges (or favors).

Teach your son "No means No". It's easy to teach and easy to learn.

Is this a joke? If you and your son believe that signing a form demonstrates consent then you both need to distance yourselves from other members of society for their safety

I don't see how this eliminates risk? Unless you mean risk of men having false allegations made against them? In which case, as PP have said, this is an extremely rare occurrence and a previously signed consent form couldn't stop allegations anyway.

This is an awful idea, it's non-sensical practicality wise and only gives more ammunition to people to victim blame survivors.

Lets focus instead on raising men to understand that if they take consent away from someone they will be held accountable.

Super idea. All a rapist has to do is hold a knife to your throat, get you to sign the form and there you go, written consent! FFS

This has to be the most stupid thing I’ve read on here....... you can’t be serious. No means no, that’s what you teach him. It’s that simple.

OP, the form is a terrible idea for all the reasons stated by PP.

Send him this link, then have an honest and open discussion with him

Consent is easy:
Don’t fuck people who are drunk or high
Don’t fuck people who are too young to consent
Don’t fuck unconscious people
Check before you fuck that the other person wants to
If at any point you think there is the slightest chance the other person no longer wants to fuck, check again

Basically only fuck people who are currently mentally competent and enthusiastically joining in.

They will be used against women. They'll be like rape licenses.

Like marriage certificates in olden times, before marital rape was made technically illegal, only now the fuckers won't even be legally bound in return.

I have impressed on my son the need to establish consent beyond any doubt; not to have sex with anyone who may be too drunk to consent/remember consenting, and to stop immediately if someone asks him to. I went through what would happen if those rules aren’t followed... with examples.

Ms Rotunno is definitely correct, it eliminates the risk and so everyone knows where they are

Does it?

For a start, sex isn't- or shouldn't be 😳 a dangerous sport or activity.
Signing a consent form for any of the activities you mentioned would be to acknowledge the fact you might get injured and that there's a risk involved not that you are obliged to partake in the activity once the firm is signed.
If I decided to take my skis off half way down a slope and walk home I'd be well within my rights to do so no matter what forms had been signed. Same applies to sex. This is crazy and basically takes away anyone's right to change their mind.

I cant’t work for so many reasons. You would have to list everything you wished in the form

Ie, the plaintiff alleges sexual assault as consent was only given for 1 finger to be inserted into her vagina. The defendant used 2. Etc

And if you were in a relationship you’d have to sign a form every single time.

Sounds very worrying for me - what if you sign the consent form and then withdraw consent? You’d be able to do nothing.

AS explains a lot.

Which is exactly why a rapist would LOVE signed consent forms

Consent to what exactly? Penetration, strangulation ....are you going to include a tick list?

And anyway, consent can be removed at any time, so no, a silly idea.

So what about when you change your mind after? Sometimes we’re having sex and one of us thinks “mmm not in to this” and stop/do something else.

So maybe the form needs two signatures. One at the start, one at the end ?

Sorry, what?

No, OP, they would need to be continually signing as consent can be withdrawn at any time.

1/10

Fuck off

Also can you imagine your son in the hotel room?
“Looking good babe now can you just sign this form my mum made for me to prove I’m not about to rape you?”

So maybe the form needs two signatures. One at the start, one at the end ?

Oh aye. Like you’re going to say ‘no I won’t sign that’ to someone who has just raped you.