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Valentine’s Day when your marriage is dead

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Newnameforthis11 · 10/02/2020 17:38

...and your husband is pretending it’s not. How do you deal with it? He’ll buy some flowers or something and it’ll make me feel weird and uncomfortable, then he’ll tell me how ungrateful I am.
How does everyone else in a dying relationship cope?

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SoUnsettled2 · 14/02/2020 15:56

I know how you feel. I stopped buying him stuff for Valentines a few years back and he has now stopped getting me anything. It just felt wrong and so fake!!!

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Kittensinmysupper · 14/02/2020 16:04

But WHY are you still with him OP... you seem to be avoiding the question...

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Newnameforthis11 · 14/02/2020 18:10

kittens that’s a massive separate thread. Essentially lots of things he’s done over the years, some of which are definite marriage enders. I’ve tried having the talk, he’s blamed it all on me, got angry and now I’m too scared to try again.

Flowers for everyone struggling through today

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Stegasaurusmum · 14/02/2020 18:22

This is me. He's, been away for work all week and it's been bliss. I've actually slept every night after not sleeping for weeks and felt so relieved he's been away. He's due home any minute and I'm dreading it. A parcel and post arrived which I think are presents for me, he's been perfect husband after 5 to 10 years of not bothering since I made him go to counselling... Its suffocating, I'm sitting here holding back tears, feel panicky and just horrible at the thought of him coming home to expect romance and worse, sex.
I know I can't continue like this, but I also just don't know how to end it. He's done nothing major wrong but I just don't love him more than as a friend and properly have the ick too.
Just desperate. But yes, the next 364 days will be better, have to be.

Newnameforthis11 · 14/02/2020 19:19

stegasaurus oh love, I’m sorry things are so rubbish for you. I know the feeling of dread so well, I hope it gets better.

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Stegasaurusmum · 14/02/2020 20:29

Thanks. Yes let's just get this bloody awful day over with, then onwards...
DH knows some of what I feel but is burying his head. Won't listen to anything, although did a bit in counselling so just waiting on an appointment for the next few sessions. He thinks it'll help though, I've tried to tell him it won't get better.
Just so miserable. I've even started on bloody antidepressants, I've even bargained with myself that maybe if they make me feel better I can carry on as I am...

MrsSiba · 14/02/2020 20:41

I wish I'd seen this thread earlier. I have been mulling over in my internal dialogue for 6 weeks whether I should get a card. We have zero relationship at the moment.
As pp said it is hypocritical to buy a card with no feeling behind it. But I wasn't brave enough not to get one so just wrote happy valentine's Day in it.

This morning DH says he did get me a card with To my Wife on the front but when he came to write it, turned out to be a Xmas card. Are these still in the shops?!

He did show me the card. It has robins on the front and a stuck on heart so I think I can give him the benefit of the doubt. I said well it's the thought that counts.

Not sure how i feel that he didn't bother to go and get a replacement today. He clearly intended to get one. 😔

MrsSiba · 14/02/2020 20:43

So sorry to hear how difficult today is for people. Hate all the hearts and flowers everywhere. We only ever did cards thankfully.

dottydolly72 · 14/02/2020 20:46

@Stegasaurusmum hugs to you! xx
Absolutely get where you're coming from,
I feel disgusted with myself every time sex rears it's ugly head. I've tried to have the talk on several occasions, even thought of leaving with the clothes on my back.. if it was just me I'd be gone. I'm playing the long game to get myself some financial stability this year. We have 364 to turn this around 🙌

tiredwife123 · 14/02/2020 21:24

I feel your pain OPs! I'm in the same boat. I'm currently hiding in the bath having a long soak to avoid the inevitable later

KirstyHasLeft · 14/02/2020 22:05

I just filed for divorce.

It still feels surreal. I can't believe this is happening to me and our marriage. But here we are.
I used to dread sex and any intimacy. I used to think that one day - when I have a good job, save up, kids grow bigger - I will leave. But then, I just went ahead and did it. No savings, part time job, kids still small.
But I believe that we will, somehow, manage to survive and eventually be fine. We must.
Hugs to you all. Be brave and strong. Make your future selves thank your present self for dealing with the hardest part, so your future self can be free and happy. x

peekaboob · 14/02/2020 22:32

Well done @KirstyHasLeft . I spent many a time being more unhappy than happy in my last marriage and eventually I sat him down and told him. It was the single most liberating day of my life. Unmumsnetty hugs to you Thanks

KirstyHasLeft · 14/02/2020 23:40

Thank you @peekaboob ! :)
It is terrifying but also very liberating, I agree!

Nogoodwithgoodbyes · 15/02/2020 08:23

Good on you @KirstyHasLeft . it’s taken me the longest tone to realise that life is now

And now Valentine’s Day is over & we got through it! Poof!

Noconceptofnormal · 15/02/2020 09:00

Glad to have found some solidarity in this thread.

Marriage not in a good way but made an effort with very nice gift and nice card with nice message written in it.

In return got some flowers with a very generic message just 'love from dh'. Asked dh if he loved me, and in not so many ways he basically said he cared about me but didn't love me. I suppose it's not a great surprise but I'm just feeling numb.

I feel like throwing the flowers away as they are meaningless but I guess that then escalates things further. So I have hidden them in a room we don't really use instead.

Nogoodwithgoodbyes · 15/02/2020 09:33

Very sorry to hear that @noconceptofnormal

The only advice I’d give you is to try to focus on how you feel. I know it’s hard. Flowers

Noconceptofnormal · 15/02/2020 09:43

Thanks nogood, appreciate it. It is hard as I feel if I do open up to how I actually feel then it is a very depressing and lonely place to be.

I suppose I also feel so disappointed in my husband that he's not emotionally stronger and can't just ride out this bad patch and take into account the context (no need to go into details but we've had several circumstances that would test most marriages).

At the end of the day, we've got 3 small children and I've just to get on with it for them and try my best to function like nothing's happened.

Nogoodwithgoodbyes · 15/02/2020 09:45

Exactly. You need to do what you need to do to protect yourself and your children. The right thing to say/do will come to you when you’re ready. In the meantime, you need to take care of yourself and your DCs xxxxx

Bearski77 · 17/02/2020 14:13

Oh @Stegasaurusmum I see you're still in the same position as a while ago. Me too. Managed to get through Valentine's Day as dh was away on the Thursday and Friday at gigs. Didn't get anything from him, not even a text to say he'd arrived in Manchester/Glasgow ok, nothing. That was a relief for me actually, as I was dreading having to give each other meaningless cards. He's off most of this week with the kids for half term (first time ever he's taken more than one day off in school hols) and I finish work at 3pm but am dreading going home. And when I do go home I'm hoping he's goes to the gym or something. Can't stand him being around. This is no life, but still I can't bring myself to do anything about it :( xx

Stegasaurusmum · 17/02/2020 17:26

@Bearski77 yes 😞 things have moved on a bit, it's simpler in some ways but I ended up getting really, really depressed, wasn't functioning really so now on anti depressants, only for a few days so far, but I'm hoping with more sleep and eating a little better I can think clearly. We went to Relate, first appointment was OK and we've talked a little more honestly since but still on the waiting list, could be waiting 6 weeks...
We are doing more together to try to make it work but I just don't fancy him, at all.. 😞
Know that feeling of dread. He works till 7 and I get increasingly down as the day goes on. He's off Thursday and Friday and I'm dreading it.
I'm a coward, I know it. But I think I'm getting slowly to a point where I can be sure of how I feel and can talk to him, hopefully soon. Hope things work out for you too. PM me if you need to chat x

Newnameforthis11 · 17/02/2020 17:52

beatski77 & stegasaurusmum the dread is the worst isn’t it? I paid for counselling for us but he just sat there not saying much so it was basically completely pointless. He’s completely blown up when I’ve said I want to split up in the past and I’m too scared of trying to talk again.

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Stegasaurusmum · 17/02/2020 20:49

@Newnameforthis11 that's so sad if he's not willingvto even try. I did one session of counselling with DH, after countless talks at home where he sat and said nothing, in that session he talked like it was a business pitch, all about how he's been burying his head in the sand for years, how he's let me do everything with the house and kids etc (alongside full time teaching, 2 children who never slept or napped and house renovations) because he 'just doesn't know how to do that stuff'. I sat there with my mouth open for most of it, partly as he's never spoken for that length of time in my presence before and partly because I just assumed he didn't really think there was a problem. That was 3 weeks ago, but we've had problems bubbling away for about 10 years. Married 13, together 18.
I basically have built up so much resentment that even though he's trying now, it just annoys me. He follows me round now like a puppy, asking what needs to be done, offering help, asking questions about my day... Hes being fairly proactive, although still has never cleaned a bathroom in this house and still doesn't drive, leaving it all to me... All fantastic, all wonderful, all stuff, if he'd done it 5 years ago, I would have loved... And could have made a difference.

But now I just can't get past my feelings of feeling suffocated, claustrophobic, annoyed... Worse, just entirely turned off. I look at him and see everything I don't fancy... Hear him cough and instantly I think of his dad, then of retirement, years together, without the kids to distract me. Urgh.
We are still waiting for counselling... I'm hoping that once I've seen that this isn't all an act, if he's seriously going to change, that the counseling will help me feel more connected again. But right now I can't see it, it feels like there's nothing left and if we keep trying to force it I'll just feel even more trapped. I didn't always have the skin crawling feeling, I still fancied him a few months ago and wanted to try. But then I got involved with someone else, who sort of offered me a way out. I tried then to talk to him, so many times, but he just ignored me... It's lead to me just switching off I think.
He's been aggressive in his manner, never physically, but just in the way he's spoken to me before when we talked and I just felt like a stupid child being told off. If your DH has been aggressive to you just for speaking your mind, especially when you've tried counselling, I would see that as a very valid reason to go. Especially if you're at all scared of him.
DH is being entirely reasonable and doing everything right, so the only thing stopping me is guilt and fear. I've told him I don't think I can get the feelings back, that they might be gone. He just wants to try. It fills me with dread thinking about even trying.
I've heard it referred to as Fog before, fear, obligation, guilt. That's what's keeping me here. But that's wrong and actually cruel to DH really. Only thing he's really done wrong is to be himself and not really cope with becoming a parent.
I'm reading 'feel the fear and do it anyway', lots about self esteem in there, only started today but worth a read.
I'm just amazed how many of us are out there. It's so sad.