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wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 21:07

I don't want this to drag on so I will try to keep concise. Also don't have a time machine so any 'well why didn't you...' or 'maybe you should've' doesn't help anyone so please only advice for going forward if anyone has any. Thankyou Thanks
I'm typing this so it reads hypothetically to make sense of it but it's about me.
Couple with three kids between 1-5.
Over the last year the dad has become verbally abusive to the mum. Has spread to being in front of the kids.
At Christmas the couple went for help at gp to try and get help. She gave a change of medication (dad previously on antidepressants for 10 years)
And arranged for mental health team to get in touch.
The mum has spoken to womens aid but the advice was for more extreme circumstances
There was improvement for a while
Dad starting to slip back into snappy spiteful comments, children are aware. They've begun commenting about mummy being sad and daddy being mean
Forward to today.
He turned really nasty on her. Told her and the kids he was leaving and as he left he turned round and spat at her.
The kids did not see that part. He came back.
Anyway. She knows she has to leave. For the kids. If it was just her she would be more than happy to let rip with a few home truths but she's never ever without at least one of the children and won't let them see or hear that. He knows this and used it.
Unfortunately her circumstances are:
Rented house in both names
Works only part time opposing shift to partner
No savings
Bad credit
Can't drive
Nowhere to go
Family local but completely unable to help.
She has nothing to leave with and nowhere to go if she did
Heartbroken that it's turned out like this
The children absolutely adore him and most of the time he does them but since 2 became 3 his patience has all but gone.
What the hell does she do

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category12 · 06/02/2020 21:20

Spitting at you is actually classed as an assault. Should you feel inclined to downplay it. I'd speak to Women's Aid again - emotional abuse is serious. You don't have to be an "extreme" case to still be in need of help and to access support.

Look at what you'd be entitled to as a single parent. There are online calculators, and there's also a child support calculator on the Gov.UK site.

Are your family totally unable to help in any way, from financial or guarantor to bit of babysitting?

user14572856389 · 06/02/2020 21:22

Start planning. Even if it takes a bit of time, knowing you're actively working on it can help make the situation slightly less unbearable while you get yourself in a position to escape it.

Women's Aid should have given you advice specific to your situation. Citizens Advice and the Money Advice Service can also help with the practical matters. Although I would point out that non-physical domestic abuse is still a criminal offence and a serious matter. You're in an awful situation.

The kids describe him as mean and are experiencing his abuse. It's complex and children can still love their abuser, but don't confuse desperately wanting his love/attention/kindness with adoration.

His abuse is escalating. Rapidly. If you feel threatened or unsafe please call the police. Don't leave it until he hits you or it gets out of control because you're worried about wasting their time - call them as soon as you need them.

Have you done the Freedom Programme? Attending the group course might help you find some strength while you're planning, and if you ask them for it they usually have contacts and info to help you planning your exit.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

75Renarde · 06/02/2020 21:24

OP, gently, writing in the third person is a sign of dissociation.

You need to see your GP. Immediately.

CalleighDoodle · 06/02/2020 21:32

womens aid advice would not be for more serious cases than this. He is abusive and violent. Take the help of womens aid.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 22:08

I looked for our citizens advice a while back and they've shut them all down anywhere near me.
I've been suspecting the tome might come to have a plan in place and have been trying to pay debts, get credit back up and learning to drive so I have somewhere to start.
My parents literally can't help they are both disabled and one is bedbound. The other is mostly the Carer and they wish they could help me but they can't.

Sorry, as I was typing this my daughter woke up being sick. I had my baby with me and I went to put her in the cot while I sorted her out and he mocked me for not just leaving her on the bed. I don't want her to wake up and crawl off.
My 3 year old is his favourite at the moment because she loves him a lot so obviously she must be the best. He's just made sure I didn't get a look in for a cuddle with her.
She was playing with me the other day and said
'Love you mummy. Daddy will come home and sit with you and you will be sad'.
Broke my heart.
Anyway. Anecdotes aren't helping. Sorry for rambling. I'm trying to find a way to make a plan but I'm dreading that the kids are going to be so sad and angry and it's so unfair on them. I'm so angry with him for causing them to go through this.

I don't dare tell my friends because they are gossips and take weird pleasure out of other people's problems.

Can't leave. Can't make him leave... beautiful kids need to be safe, secure and stable while they are still young enough. I'd give anything for him to just be himself again but they can't grow up thinking this is normal
Thanks for replying, I did cry at some of the posts.

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wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 22:09

Yes I've kept the women's aid message. I will look at it again after all this has happened now

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category12 · 06/02/2020 22:14

Love, your dc are little still, they will adapt. And getting them out of this situation is protecting them.

Consider going into a refuge.
Contact domestic abuse services in your area.
Speak to your GP about what's going on. Get a paper trail going.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 22:21

Yes the gp we went to is actually mine and she's already aware of the nastiness. I think that might be the next thing to do.
One of the problems is that I own almost everything in the house from tv to car seats, cots, beds, bought all the toys, all the mobile phones. And I do not want to leave them all for him. I have no fear of him just sadness that I got it so wrong and sad for the kids. I want to leave but I don't want to basically give him a homes worth of stuff while he kids and I have nothing.
I suppose in theory I need to save up, find a smaller house to rent and just go for it. But discreetly.
Have to think of giving notice here and everything.

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loserssaywhat · 06/02/2020 22:24

I say this as someone who has experienced this type of abuse, and who's children witnessed some of it.
The situation you are in right now is not safe, secure or stable for your children.
They are already noticing it. They have picked up on the fact that you are miserable.
You must make plans to leave or have him removed from the home.
What he's doing is extremely serious and the advice you received from women's aid wasn't for more 'extreme cases'. They know how abuse can escalate and will have advised you accordingly.
Please go back to them. take their advice.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 22:35

Yes they did actually say it was escalating and that's twice it's been said on this thread.
I need to make some calls and find some help.
He's well know round here and pretty popular.
He's done this to himself. It's truly his loss

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75Renarde · 06/02/2020 22:51

Listen OP and take it from one who has experienced not only extreme DA with multiple partners but having a very very mentall I'll mother who required hospitalization on 5 occasions.

Everything you own, you have, can be replaced.

What cannot ever be put back together is your mental health.

What matters is you and your children. End of.

DA survivours almost always end up with nothing in the beginning. This is a very VERY bitter pill to swallow. Very.

But nothing trumps your kids love for you and yours for them.

You will get through this OP. You are a strong and empowered woman who is slowly navigating through the FOG.

I believe in you.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 23:14

Thankyou Thanks ha, tears again

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75Renarde · 06/02/2020 23:19

Oh no! Bit its good to let it out.

All those pent up emotions.

Sending you a very big unmumsnetty hug Flowers

75Renarde · 06/02/2020 23:22

Dear Lord. Did I really just write Strong and Empowered woman?

Tou are OP but I'm a tad worried I've just channelled Megan Markle in Suits!

This is a joke. You are strong and you lovely need a distraction.

Hit Netflix? Watch The Windsors. Brilliant writing and hysterical.

Hope this helps x

thumpingrug · 06/02/2020 23:48

The spitting is an assault. In theory this should them bring you into the category for legal aid but evidencing the assault will be an issue. Try to find a solicitor who does a free initial interview. Non-molestasion order, occupation order, Universal credit claim, Housing Allowance and Council tax claim in that order. Go to the Citizen Advice website and try to use the webchat service - its national.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 23:50

I've been watching crappy tv for a bit to just relax and it's worked. Plus my baby just rolled onto me and really passed wind loudly without waking up, so I actually ended up laughing which I didn't expect tonight
Thankyou for the kind messages, I'll be using them as a boost and reminder that I'm not wrong

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wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 06/02/2020 23:51

Thankyou thumpingrug I didn't see your message. I didn't think about CAB being online I will certainly try them.

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category12 · 07/02/2020 06:13

Shelter (housing charity) also have online chat.

AgentJohnson · 07/02/2020 06:39

The mum has spoken to womens aid but the advice was for more extreme circumstances.

It sounds like the mum has been in denial. It’s not going to be easy but the escalation in the mans poor behaviour, is a major worry.

The mum needs to accept that’s she’s being abused and by witnessing the abuse, her children are being abused too.

She needs to go back to Women’s Aid.

FlowerArranger · 07/02/2020 06:52

You need to organize your ducks:

Non-molestasion order, occupation order, Universal credit claim, Housing Allowance and Council tax claim

One thing at a time. You can do this.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 07/02/2020 07:53

I feel sick this morning. I'm not going to leave it though or keep my head in the sand.

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12345kbm · 07/02/2020 08:15

Your priority is for you and your children to be safe OP. You are not safe. Domestic Abuse happens slowly over time and you make incremental adjustments. Domestic Abusers often isolate survivors and they don't have anyone to reflect their situation back to them. They just have a gaslighting abuser telling them that it's their fault and if they do A,B and C then they wouldn't be abused.

It's really interesting to watch a woman describe her abusive homelife thinking it's 'not that bad' and for her to see the reaction of others. She's often astonished that others consider it that bad as she has been slowly adjusting to it for years. Women's Aid may have been the first time you've heard someone else react to your situation and you are minimising it and saying it's 'not that bad.'

I would begin by investigating an Occupation Order in order to remove him from the house. An Occupation Order can be obtained for free from the NCDV. An Occupation Order regulates the family home and power of arrest can be attached. It's usually granted for 6-12 months. The NCDV will assess your case and tell you if they can help, if they can, they will guide you through the process. If they can't, they should give you advise on what to do next.

Gingerbread have a specialised helpline and they can help you on benefits, child maintenance, child contact etc

You want to build evidence, so log all incidents of abuse. Print off any evidence such as emails.

Debt advice can be sought at the National Debtline. They can help you to pay off debts, give you advice on your options such as a debt relief order and advise on your credit score.

Read the CABx guide to ending a relationship. Laws vary depending on where you are in the UK, so make sure you read up on your area.

See if there is any counselling available from your local domestic abuse organisation. You can find your local organisation here. Give them a call and get support and advice.

Contact your local DV service at the council. Go to the council website and look up domestic abuse. They usually have all services linked. They sometimes have small funds available or others things such as the Sanctuary Scheme which secures your home.

I would also contact 101, have a chat with the police about his behaviour. Tell them about the spitting. Spitting is classed as battery under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and can carry a prison sentence. Other behaviour would be classed as emotional abuse. They will also advise you on your legal options and how to gain evidence of domestic abuse for legal aid.

Be aware that his behaviour is escalating and, you are most vulnerable when leaving the relationship and the first year afterwards. Go about gathering information quietly and as unobtrusively as you can. Pack bags for you and the children should you need to flee and organise a safety plan to minimise risk.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 07/02/2020 09:14

That's fantastic advice Thankyou. I'm completely fuzzy right now. My stepson is a teenager and he has just asked me about his dads anger issues this morning.
Unfortunately/ fortunately everything is becoming clearer

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12345kbm · 07/02/2020 09:42

It's no problem and what you're describing about the 'fuzzy' feeling or the 'fog' is very common. If you do group therapy, you'll find others describing their experiences like that and it's so validating because abuse makes you feel as though you are going mad.

wegottagetoutofthisplace1 · 07/02/2020 10:27

Well I've called my gp and can't see her until next week. They offered a phone appointment but obviously can't have her calling after he's home or while my daughter is with me.
I've also told a friend. She had no idea. I feel I've taken a small step but I'm going to talk to my parents later just for support

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