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I don't know if this is all me, or not?

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jorja00 · 30/01/2020 11:11

We got back together end of last year after a few months on a break. Since then everything has been going great guns, but a couple of issues recently have made me question things - is it me, is he being unfair etc?

When we were talking about getting back together and having some honest discussions, he opened up and said that he'd felt historically a bit distant from me when I was on my period, as we wouldn't do anything beyond kissing then (admittedly in the last months before our breakup we had pretty much stopped having sex at all, at any time). Neither of us want to have full sex at this time - tbh I have heavy periods, and apologies for tmi but it would be a bloodbath if we did - but I was happy to agree with him we try and be more intimate etc. Another issue we talked about was hand jobs/ oral. I always found it really hard to get him there by hand, I have always liked oral and thought this would get him there if I couldn't by hand but he felt uncomfortable with me doing it (as his Exs before me always refused). So we both agreed we'd try more.

Things have been good since we got back together he's let me do oral a few times but really only in a 69 (which I'm not overly comfortable with, but have tried it). I've also got him there by hand a couple of times. Generally I feel that side of our relationship has been ok, certainly better than it was, and he says the same.

Last week I started my period, so before we next slept together (we don't live together so are only together 3 nights a week) I let him know. Then in bed, I tried using hand and mouth, but it wasn't successful and he asked me to stop.

He said that he felt uncomfortable and awkward not being able to reciprocate and it felt too one-sided, he wanted a more mutual experience. I can understand that, but from my POV, if he says he wants more sex/ intimacy when I'm on my period, he can't have it both ways?

He says that now we are regularly more intimate he 'doesn't mind' nothing happening when I'm on my period. But that's not what he said before, and I've always quite liked doing oral etc in the past so its not all one sided.

Which brings me on to the next issue. Now I completely understand that sex is a really personal thing, one persons turn on does nothing for another, etc. But I've had a fair few partners, and given them all oral successfully and without complaints. However my partner says that my technique 'doesn't work for him'.

While we split up he was seeing someone for casual sex/ as a FWB who was apparently really good at it. So I feel a bit slighted at the comparison, especially as I think the reason he (allegedly) enjoyed it with her was because - I'm not sure how to put this exactly - it was just about sex? As said, his previous Exs always refused oral, and even with me he used to ask how I could bear to do it, and never accepted it might be enjoyable for me...

He says I should accept him critiquing my technique and not take it personally. Am I being too sensitive about this? I don't know but it makes me feel shit, and surely no relationship should do that?

So am I misunderstanding, being too sensitive? Is he being unfair? Do we need to talk about this more? I'm not sure how to explain how I feel to him?

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PicsInRed · 30/01/2020 13:48

I'm exhausted just reading that, can't imagine living it and having to have these conversations with this guy. 😴

He's damaging your self esteem, OP, when a good relationship should add to your life.

This relationship really needs to end. You know this. You are your priority. Protect you.

jorja00 · 30/01/2020 15:38

In other respects the relationship is really good.

But I feel I can't question his criticism of me (or at least what feels like criticism) without being called over-sensitive. And he says he can't say how he feels without me getting offended or upset.

Is this simply a communication issue? I'm really not sure how to improve it?

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ravenmum · 30/01/2020 15:43

Sounds like he is manipulating you, drawing on your fear of being unreasonable to keep you quiet.

I would feel really uncomfortable about this, OP. You've said several times that it makes you feel shitty. Is that because you feel manipulated?

jorja00 · 30/01/2020 15:47

I don't feel manipulated. I feel shitty because what he says feels like criticism, and like most people I don't like to be criticized (I rarely criticize others for exactly that reason).

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user142745271 · 30/01/2020 15:48

That's not a communication issue, that's a manipulation issue.

user142745271 · 30/01/2020 15:52

To summarise his position: he's allowed to be hurtful and if you have a normal emotional response to that of question him he'll put you down even more until you have been trained not to react or challenge him.

People who make you feel shit and then call you oversensitive do not like you.

Isadora2007 · 30/01/2020 15:53

Ummm. It does sound like hard work but 10/10 for keeping on talking about it all. Perhaps ask what he’d like and tell him what you’d like. Would shower sex during your period work? If you can both vocalise what you want from the sexual side of your lives and keep communicating in a positive way- like suggest rather than say what he doesn’t like or want he says what he does like or want. “I like it when you do x or y” rather than “I don’t like when you do z”.
It’s not an attack against you as it’s about a mechanical act- so if he said he didn’t like the way you hoovered you wouldn’t be upset...

ravenmum · 30/01/2020 15:59

Hm, the discussion you describe just reminds me of the conversations I had with my exh right at the end of our relationship. Discussions where he blocks you off from saying anything. Discussions where you feel pushed into a corner and wish you could have it all in writing to work out what went wrong later. If that happened in another relationship today I'd be in flag-spotting mode immediately. With my current bf, if he criticises me and it feels unfair, I can point it out and he sees my point, or discusses it. He might even laugh at himself for being such a dick. You don't end up feeling like you've been in a verbal boxing match.

BaronessBomburst · 30/01/2020 16:08

It's all about what he wants isn't it? And how he wants it and when he wants it.
Why isn't he bending over backwards to make you feel happy and valued?

Why did his FWB relationship stop? Did she finish it?

jorja00 · 30/01/2020 16:16

If he said my hoovering 'technique' was poor, I would feel if not upset exactly then a bit aggrieved if that makes sense - and that's how I feel here. it's not that he said he didn't like it (well he kind of said that later) but his first comment was 'your technique isn't good' when what he meant was what you're doing isn't working for me.
I just don't feel like he sees it from my POV really.
It is tempting to tell him to sod off to his ex FWB but I'm sure then I will be told I'm being childish.
I don't see what the answer is though.

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jorja00 · 30/01/2020 16:19

Re his ex FWB, he finished with her. She was not very happy about it and contacted me to tell me how I couldn't satisfy him in the way she could, and that I shouldn't have begged him to come back (I didn't, he initially contacted me and asked to try again) etc. All rather unsavoury and now when crap like this happens I think should I have just left him to it.

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Pinkbonbon · 30/01/2020 16:26

'I don't feel he sees my point of view'
'I will be told I'm bring childish'

...eeh sorry op but this sounds more and more like manipulation. You should never be made to feel like your perfectly valid feelings are innaprpriate/unacceptable/overreacting/childish or don't make sense. If he is making you feel that way, he is doing something called gaslighting.

Everyone here has said it us perfectly normal for you to not be happy being compared to his fwb.

You don't however say if this kind of behaviour was a one off fly away comment or if he had displayed similar behaviour in the past. I mean either way it wasn't acceptable but I'm curious as to if you are putting up with similar shit on an ongoing basis.

This relationship seems very onesided. What compromises has he made for you? How has he moderated his behaviour/actions to make you happy?

Pinkbonbon · 30/01/2020 16:30

Did you ever meet/see this fwb in person BTW?

Because I'd be tempted to say maybe she never existed and he made her up lol.

Its either that or HE told her you begged him to come back. So...wtf would you get back with a shit stirring liar like that?

ravenmum · 30/01/2020 16:32

My exh also complained about my sexual prowess. From a man who never gave me a minute's foreplay 😂
You're trying so hard to make it right for him. What's he doing to make it right for you?

Ihaveamind · 30/01/2020 16:39

I think he said your technique wasn't good because there is nothing specific your doing wrong. He couldn't say do this/that instead.
He is uncomfortable with you giving head because his Ex's didn't?
He either likes the sensation or he doesn't, what does it matter what people he had sex with in the past wanted to do?
Google the Madonna/Whore complex.
He sounds classic.

jorja00 · 30/01/2020 16:41

He has taken on board some (hopefully constructive) comments I made regarding our sex life, and our relationship generally, and been quite positive in respect of them. This latest situation was kind of unexpected because it's nothing like he has been in the past few months (it is the kind of thing he has done historically on occasion).

I have seen the FWB unfortunately so I know she exists. I don't want to slate another woman but she's a bit all over the place - she complained I'd begged him to come back, then said she was happy staying a FWB with him and seeing other people, then that she wanted a relationship with him, and then that she was in a relationship with someone else, all in the space of 2 messages. So I don't know if he told her she was better in bed/ I was crap/ I'd begged him back or if she was just trying to get at me.

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jorja00 · 30/01/2020 16:46

He had 3 LTRs (including a marriage) before me, none of them ever gave him oral, as they didn't like it. these relationships all started in teens/20s so they were all quite inexperienced I guess. He says he finds it odd because hes never had it before other than on the odd ONS, so doesn't associate it with a loving relationship.

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Bearski77 · 30/01/2020 16:47

I think the comparison with the ex is the worst thing here. How dare he!!! Sounds like a really immature man to me. And I'm sure he could go a few days without when you're on your period ffs!!! There are other things to do. Sounds like he needs pointing in the right direction, not you! Tell him to grow up and respect you.

ravenmum · 30/01/2020 16:49

So do you feel actually "pampered" by him on occasion (if that is the right word) - does he do things that show he's trying to make you happy, because he likes making you happy? Are there times when you feel really lucky to have him around?
Just asking as obviously you're mainly describing the negative things here.

RLEOM · 30/01/2020 17:31

Is he giving in the bedroom? Erectile dysfunction can be a sign of a porn addiction. If so, maybe he's telling you he doesn't enjoy your technique so as to not feel embarrassed if he can't stay hard or cum.

Bluntness100 · 30/01/2020 17:39

Well op, all I can say is I'm surprised he needs your hand, because he sounds like a proper wanker....

Seriously though, that's jist too much like hard work. Wants sex on your period, does not think uou do oral right, says other women did, it's all just so much hard work, so discomfiting, so unattractive, so uptight.

RebelWithVerySharpClaws · 30/01/2020 17:45

He is a complete arse. He is training you to try hard to please him, but he will refuse to be pleased, so that you will work harder. This is in the bedroom. If you move in with him you will find your cooking is all wrong and that your cleaning is all wrong and that you squeeze the toothpaste wrong. But he will never tell you how to do it right. He will watch you trying harder and harder for praise that he will never give. Chuck the fucking wanker out now and save yourself years of misery.

Buggedandconfused · 30/01/2020 17:52

Hmmmm, this doesn’t sound like it’s much fun for you OP. Good sex should be natural and easy going. Did you ask if the FWB was good in bed etc or did he just tell you?

Groovinpeanut · 30/01/2020 18:50

He'll be holding up scores out of 10 next!
He sounds like really hard work. I think if you sucked like a Dyson he'd still moan.
Get rid of him Crown Smile

jorja00 · 30/01/2020 20:57

Pampered - not really. He does some things for me but I'd say it's always pretty even, as in I would reciprocate similarly. We tend to take turns cooking, driving on long journeys, share other tasks.
I didn't ask initially about FWB - she told me how good she was. He confirmed that yes, she was better than me at certain sex acts (but because he loves me and not her, and he finds me way more attractive that's all fine, apparently Hmm)
I feel we need to discuss this but I have no idea where to start and I know he will not see my POV.

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