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HerRoyalFattyness · 22/12/2019 10:56

I have a thread in AIBU.

It's making me realise how bad my relationship is.

Background:
We've been together 12 years and we have 3 kids.
I was 16 when our relationship started.
At 17 I had our first child.
We split when DS1 was a baby. I said he couldn't see DS1 at his mum's house as there was a history of abuse, drug taking and his mum is an alcoholic.
He took me to court. Judge agreed with me stating that his mum's house is unsafe.
He was granted access in a one to one contact centre, where the staff taught him how to interact with DS1.
Once that was finished the court order stated that he could see DS1 in the community on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
Any changes were subject to my approval. I held all the cards.

One night it was raining. Pouring. So I invited him in. We had a ONS.

I fell pregnant with DD. During the pregnancy he stepped up. He bought everything we needed for DD and we decided to give it another go.

When DD was 10 months old, my pill failed and I fell pregnant with DS2.
I had a very difficult pregnancy. He was extremely supportive throughout.
But... I gained 7st. I was miserable.

Fast forward to a couple of years ago.
I've never lost the weight. Every time I make the effort to do so, he buys takeaways, or junk and moans if I don't eat it, properly sulks.
He doesn't grasp that our weight is a serious problem. I'm almost 17st. He is 19 and a half stone.

I started working full time. He's a SAHD.
He complains about.money all the time. Constantly going on about it, questioning me constantly on what money we have and what I've spent it on, what money I can put in his bank, yet if I dare to ask where the money I put in his bank has gone, he goes mental. Shouting and throwing stuff.

Last September my implant failed and I fell pregnant with twins. I had an abortion as doctors told me my body would not cope with another pregnancy.

He had a vasectomy.

He now tells me that he wouldn't have done that if not for me, that I've made him less of a man.

Anyway. I am autistic (diagnosed 2018) and recently diagnosed with hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. (Which explains why my pregnancies were difficult) and I'm also severely depressed with psychosis and auditory hallucinations.

He sits at home all day, refusing to get a job. I've told him time and time again that now all the children are in school, him working would be best for the family.
He demands money, and spends it on takeaway and energy drinks.
He plays Xbox all day, ignores the kids a lot of the time. Ignores me or sulks and shouts.
He does no housework, expecting me to do it all. And complains if I ask him for help because I'm in pain.
He tries to take my pain killers and sulks if I tell him no.

He sits doing nothing all day and then calls me fat and lazy, tells me I'm worthless and I believed him.

I have to be his PA, reminding him of appointments that the kids have (DS1 has aortic and mitral regurgitation, suffers from migraines, has glue ear and asthma, DD has selective mutism, a severe anxiety disorder, and DS2 is allergic to tomatoes and has a wheat intolerance) etc, I make sure they're up and have teeth brushed, washed and have hair brushes before I leave for work at 7am. Then when I come home at 7pm, I do reading books and bedtime routine with the younger ones, then come downstairs, listen to the older one read while I make something to eat, because even though I generally make something to be heated up the next day (say, a cottage pie. I make it Monday ready for Tuesday) he never saves me any, so I inevitably have to make my own or he will order a takeaway. (Spending more money we don't have)

He often goes to bed early, or refuses to share the bed with me, sleeping in the sofa instead.

He puts me down and makes me feel like crap constantly and I've spent the last few years desperate for his attention and love.

And now I'm realising that I'm not going to get that. I need to get out. But I need a plan. Finances are tricky. We are on a DMP, which goes out of his account. All the debts are in my name.

So...
Things I have in my favour...

The tenancy is in my name only. Housing association house, so tenancy is secure.

If we split, thanks to the court order he will not be able to take the kids. They'll stay with me.

Things I need to figure out.

The DMP. Once it's under 20 grand I will apply for a debt relief order, and then it's only a year from then.

My mental health. I need to be in the right state of mind. I need support. And encouragement. There are going to be times I struggle and think it's pointless leaving.

Childcare. This is a tough one. The times I need to leave for work and the time I come home mean childcare is very difficult to figure out. I don't have family available to help, and there is no space for an au pair.

So MN. What I'm asking is for a handhold.
It might take a few years to figure everything out, but my relationship is over.

I see that now. I can't go on like this, walking on eggshells, afraid of his next tantrum. Although he isn't physically violent, the threat is there through his throwing things and punching walls. (He never does this in front of the kids. They don't see this, but I don't doubt they know something is going on and they pick up on the atmosphere)

So I need you all to keep me brave for however long it takes to pay down the DMP and squirrel away some money so if I need to take time off work while I figure out childcare, I'm not negatively affected.

I'm sorry it's so long.

TL;DR. My partner is a dickwad, and I know I need to leave but it will take time.

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toggenberg · 22/12/2019 11:05

He sounds awful OP.

I read your AIBU thread, you`re not!!

No helpful advice but a big handhold for you.

Please stay focused and organised, keep safe.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 22/12/2019 11:07

I read and posted on your thread on AIBU, HerRoyal. You're in a horrendous situation and I wondered if you were going to decide to do something about it. It looks like you will; that's a positive thing because your 'partner' is not working with you in this relationship, he's in it for himself and you have children that you have to think of as well as yourself.

Which outside agencies could you go to for some advice on your situation and prioritising getting out of it? That would be my first move. I'd make an appointment now for after Christmas and I'd be hugging that secret to myself until then. I'd carry on making Christmas nice for the kids and I'd be clocking all the dreadful things that 'partner' does to strengthen my resolve that it's over. It really is, you know... sorry.

Don't think for a minute that your children aren't aware of his violence, whether he does that in front of them or not. They're children, not stupid.

Keep this thread and use it as a journal... many of us have been where you are, in some shape or form, and there's no shame in wanting a handhold. I have apparently permanently freezing hands but ---> here :)

You can do this, HerRoyal, you can change yours and your children's lives for the better. That's your end goal and you're taking the steps to get there, starting with the realisation that your 'partner' is a parasite and you need rid of him for all your sakes.

2020 here you come! Thanks

theWarOnPeace · 22/12/2019 11:08

This is an abusive relationship. I’ve read your other thread and, while I understand the logistical difficulties around splitting up, I don’t see how you can continue being abused.

You need him to go, get some peace for yourself and your children, and then deal with the logistics without him bleeding you dry financially, and destroying your mental health. You’re basically doing the work of a single parent anyway, and I think that once you have no choice you will find that the childcare issue is manageable with a childminder and/or school breakfast clubs etc. the money you give to him every week and have to keep spending on takeaways probably adds up to childcare costs.

You’ve worked so hard at bettering yourself and improving your lot in life and he doesn't even have gcse level - and doesn’t even want to have by the sounds of it. He’s a wrong ‘un, and you’re one of life’s strivers. This will never be a fair relationship and again, he is abusive. Just because he doesn’t beat you up doesn’t mean he isn’t abusing you.

HerRoyalFattyness · 22/12/2019 11:16

It is abusive.

I'm trying really hard to look at it from an outsider's perspective, and not keep wishing he'd be nice again.

I've put miracle on 34th Street on for the kids. We are all cuddled up on the sofa while he is still in bed.

I'll make some lunch when the film is finished, then I need to get some washing done.

I'm basically a single mum anyway, so it's time to start behaving like one and stop asking for his help. I'm never going to get it.

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HerRoyalFattyness · 22/12/2019 13:17

He rose from his slumber.
I had sorted the kids lunch, cleaned up after it and he asked if I'd make him something. Told him he could sort himself something as I was busy.
He huffed and puffed.
He then turned off a song DD was listening to because she asked him to dance with her and he didn't want to. She's 6.
She wanted to dance with her daddy and because he couldn't be bothered he turned off the song Sad

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HerRoyalFattyness · 22/12/2019 13:19

So I put the song back on and I danced with her.

I'm going to go clean the bedrooms now. I'm taking the kids upstairs and letting them play their tablets on my bed.

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thickwoollytights · 22/12/2019 13:27

@herroyalfattyness

You will come to your decision in your own time. I do believe you will see what we can all see very clearly and you will stop believing that he will change.

Just a small point - you dont leave. You end the relationship and he leaves. Thanks

LannieDuck · 22/12/2019 13:41

Well done for starting a thread here. Hopefully we can provide some ongoing support and help you untangling yourself from him, so you'll have flexibility to make a decision about whether to stay or go.

PepePig · 22/12/2019 13:44

Really happy you're thinking about leaving. Definitely the right step to take, OP.

@thickwoollytights is right. He'll be the one leaving. Re-frame it in your mind. This is you and your kids' home (not his). You provide for you and your kids (not him). You're the good parent who has fun with the kids and ensures the important things are done (not him). You keep the house clean and running smoothly (not him).

I know it'll take you time to get sorted, but keep focusing on how relieved you'll be once he's gone. You'll likely lose weight quicker too as he won't be there ruining your diet and dragging you down. You'll be fine. You've got good kids, a home, a job and you'll probably be the healthiest you've ever been once he goes. All good things.

What will he have? He has nothing to show for his life. Everything he has is because of you. It'll do him absolutely no harm to be forced to get a place and a job. No one needs that dead weight dragging them down. He'll be someone else's problem.

It'll all be worth it. A year of stress is nothing compared to 20 years of misery.

LannieDuck · 22/12/2019 13:53

Sorry, having read this thread properly now (instead of going off the AIBU thread), I can see that you've decided you need (him!) to leave. Well done for making that decision :)

How long would you need childcare for each day without him? Do your schools have pre/after-school care? Start by looking into your options - childminder etc, and how much they cost so that you know what you're up against.

Do you have any flexibility with hours within your job? Or how often do other roles come up that would allow you to drop at school (with a breakfast club perhaps?) before starting work? Any chance of a promotion / pay-rise to cover the additional childcare costs?

LannieDuck · 22/12/2019 13:56

Also, it would be worth drafting out what your budget would look like without him. For example, your food costs would go right down. You could claim for single-person's council tax.

The debts are a problem since they're in your name. Might be something to prioritise paying off asap. Certainly make sure he doesn't have any facility to increase debt in your name - no joint credit cards etc.

HerRoyalFattyness · 22/12/2019 14:17

Cleaned DDs room.

The debts are my priority. Once that's sorted I've no reason to hang about.

In fairness it wasn't him that got me into debt. It was my dad taking loans out in my name.
I've agreed to pay them off simply for an easy life. I no longer speak to my dad and as I'm on a DMP, my credit is fucked so he can't take any more out in my name. I also keep a close eye on things through clear score now.

As I said, once the debts are low enough for a debt relief order, that's what I'll do and then I'll have a year to sort out childcare.

In the meantime I need to prioritise getting my head straight. Working on my mental health and stop worrying about him.

He likes to tell me his depression is so bad. But the doctor prescribed him 10mg citalopram and he tells the GP that's working.
Whereas I'm on 40mg citalopram plus 150mg quetiapine every day.
I need to sort me. Then I'm in a better frame of mind to deal with the rest of it.

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DarkLikeVader · 22/12/2019 14:26

Hi OP. I read your other thread but it moved too fast for me to make a comment. You have done so well to make a life for your kids - don’t let this abusive ass hat drag you all down. You said you had a HA tenancy in your name - would you consider going bankrupt? You’d need to check if this would affect your tenancy but I wouldn’t think it would, no mortgaged house to lose - I know it affects some types of jobs but I don’t know if yours would be affected? It would mean you could get rid of the useless lump much sooner.

Interestedwoman · 22/12/2019 14:54

Hi OP, are you on PIP for your health? It's not dependent on income, and you can work while you're on it. If you applied in the past, have another go It'd give you a bit of extra money towards stuff now and in the future.

I think you're amazing to do all you're doing. Are you on the list for therapy or anything? Might help you if you had somewhere you can let off steam etc. Hugs xxxxx

busylifebusywife · 22/12/2019 15:09

Hi OP if you are on fb there is an fantastic group called beat the bailiffs and the banks. They will be able to help you and advise other options for you in regards to your debt they can even get some written off especially in circumstances like yours.

Hope this helps x

HerRoyalFattyness · 22/12/2019 15:23

I don't have the brain space to apply for pip right now.
I will bear it in mind for the future though.

I got advice from the CAB, which is how I got the DMP, they've told me once the debt goes under 20 thousand, I can get a debt relief order, which after 12 months will wipe off the rest of my debt.
So that's my goal for now.
Carry on paying the DMP. And sort my mental health out.

I've scrubbed the house top to bottom now. It's nice and clean and tidy now.
I'm dripping with sweat from lugging the hoover up and down the stairs etc, and cleaning in all the books and crannies.
I dislocated my wrist, but I've shoved it back in and out a splint on. I've also hurt my back.
But I'll trundle on.
Got to figure out what to make for tea. I might make a quick chicken wrapped in bacon with potato wedges and sweetcorn.

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LannieDuck · 22/12/2019 15:47

Take your time and you'll get there at your own speed :) It sounds like you have quite a good basis for a plan already - go you!

HerRoyalFattyness · 22/12/2019 23:24

I've spent all day cleaning and getting the house sorted.
Wanna know what he said?
"It'll last a week" Angry
Twat. I swear if he messed up.my nice clean house I'll be fuming.
I've sorted it because my mental health is a lot better when the house is sorted.
He knows this. So if he messed it up, he's just trying to keep me down.

Ugh.

Anyway, I've had a bath and I'm in bed in nice clean sheets. That's always a bonus. And the fat cat has come for a cuddle Grin
(I have two cats. One small, one fat)

Catching up on the Inbetween. I'm not able to watch what I want in TV often.

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HerRoyalFattyness · 23/12/2019 11:39
Angry I swear he's deliberately being an arse.

Come shopping with vouchers the kids were given, so they can pick out some presents.
I was going to go alone with the kids but he said he wanted to come and he's done nothing but moan about toothache, about how busy it is, how hungry he is, how stressful he finds shopping at this time of year.

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AhNowTed · 23/12/2019 12:39

Deary me OP I feel for you.

Stop doing things for him - everything, and stop allowing him to tag along and suck the joy out of everything, in the hope that he just might be different this time.

HerRoyalFattyness · 23/12/2019 13:08

I've made plans with the kids, so they don't feel their day has been ruined.
We are going to watch the Hobbit later with popcorn and some dandelion and burdock.

He isn't a fan of LOTR or the Hobbit, so he will piss off to bed and leave us to watch it in peace Xmas Grin
The kids love it as much as I do!

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OhamIreally · 23/12/2019 15:07

Hi HerRoyal I have followed you over here from your other thread. Post- bath clean sheets are the best! And with a fat cat to cuddle that sounds perfect.

I've been having a think about your childcare situation. When my DD first started school reception kids weren't allowed to go to after-school club so I advertised on Gumtree for someone to collect her from school and look after her until 6:30 three days a week. I interviewed several very nice intelligent young women and offered to one. I paid £10 per hour so it was £90 per week. This is London so you could possibly pay £8 per hour. As your requirement is in the morning someone could even do it before their full time job.
Given what you've said about your ex and money I think you would save massively on costs once he's gone.
Work out what he costs you and what your hours of childcare requirements are then you can calculate his hourly rate. Bet it's more than £10 per hour.

HerRoyalFattyness · 23/12/2019 17:29

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HerRoyalFattyness · 23/12/2019 17:32

Was meant to have a GP appointment at 20 to 5, but had a phone call apologising and saying doctor had had to run off as there had been an emergency. Confused

I hope everything is ok. He's been my GP for 23 years and this has never happened before!

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HerRoyalFattyness · 24/12/2019 13:27

Saw the GP this morning.

I broke down and explained I think my relationship is contributing to my current MH issues.
He said I need to detach slowly, and to work through my emotions before jumping to any decisions, and he is referring me to a psychiatrist.
He said it's a good idea to have a proper plan in place before "pratty" (my new name for Him on here) leaves.

And it will be him leaving.

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