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Want to go NC with dad but am I overreacting?

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Shefliesonherownwings · 18/12/2019 20:17

I’m aware I may be due to grief and past history but need outside opinions. Sorry it's long but I don't want to drip feed.

Dad and I have a difficult relationship. I am an only child and now 36. I find dad to be very controlling and suffocating towards me and mum. It’s his way or the high way and if someone doesn't fall in line he will tantrum and shout you down. He bullies my mum, shouts at her and nitpicks at her all the time. She does everything at home whilst he sits there doing nothing. He is in poor health but certainly milks that to get everyone else to run around after him. Mum deals with this by keeping her head down and saying nothing for a quiet life. I used to be the same but for the last few years I have challenged him when he is bullying her or when he is dictating to me. This has resulted in us not speaking for various periods and then making up but his behaviour doesn’t change. He loves the sound of his own voice, doesn’t stop talking, mainly about himself as everything is me, me, me and we disagree on a lot of matters. We have little in common and to be honest I dread speaking or seeing him as it’s such hard work but I want to see and speak to my mum and he gets very funny about her doing things like seeing me without him.

In February this year I fell pregnant. DH and I were overjoyed and everything went perfectly with the pregnancy. Low risk, very happy time. In the summer dad and I had a big blowout over the way he was speaking to my mum and having find out we were expecting a girl I suddenly had the realisation that I didn’t want her to grow up seeing that kind of behaviour so I took a bit of a step back from seeing him. Not easy as he gets very passive aggressive if I’m not in contact with him often enough.

Devastatingly our DD was born sleeping last month at 41 weeks whilst I was in labour. We don’t know why, the PM and investigation reports are still pending. DH and I are heartbroken and trying to find our way through the grief. Initially, to my surprise dad was very supportive. I had thought that this tragedy may bring us back together.

This week we had my DDs funeral. The night before the funeral my parents stayed at a hotel near where the service was for convenience. I met them for dinner the night before. Obviously we were all feeling fragile, DH and I had been to the funeral directors that afternoon to take some things to be put in the coffin and spend some time with our DD. One of the things that my mum had asked to do was write a letter to our DD for the coffin. I also wrote one and told our families they could put photos in if they wanted.

During dinner my dad decided to start in on me about the fact that I don’t speak to my aunt, his sister. She's not a nice person, and is basically a female version of him so I have gone NC. He does not accept this and says she’s my only aunt on his side so I should speak to her. I told him I didn’t want to talk about that then. He carried on until I ended up getting upset and crying at the table. He apologised and I composed myself. My mum then asked about the letters and visit to the funeral director so I said we'd taken them and spent some time there. Dad then kicked off. Claimed he hadn’t been told about the letters and might have wanted to write one. Mum said she had told him about this and he had said he couldn’t deal with thinking about the coffin. He got quite nasty with her, said he didn’t remember that and told her she was ‘fucking lying' and said to her ‘don’t you fucking lie to me'.

This happens a lot with him being told something then claiming not to remember but really he just doesn’t listen. I told him if he wanted to write a letter he could do one for her memory box or if he wrote one that night we might be able to put it in the coffin before or after the funeral. I told him to stop having a go at mum and making it about himself. He went off on me, told me he knows I’m upset but other people are too and he is having to walk on eggshells around me. He insinuated we had deliberately kept this from him and had cooked it up when mum had come to see me on my own a couple of weeks ago. I told him to think about writing a letter to his granddaughter and not focus on making out everyone was against him. As we walked to the cars he said we’re all a bit fragile and sort of apologised. I ended up driving home in tears, seething about how once again he’d made it all about him. My mum sent me a message later that night saying she was sorry he was so badly behaved but he doesn’t know how to cope.

After the funeral mum and dad drove us home and once again he was making passive aggressive comments in the car about not being told anything and always being left out.

The more and more I think about things the more upset, hurt and angry I am at his behaviour. None of us know how to cope as none of us have been through this before, we are all going through hell but no one else would have behaved this way, except him. He made what was already such a difficult time so much worse and as usual thought only of himself. We are meant to see my parents on boxing day but I want to tell him this week that how he has behaved was incredibly hurtful and I am disgusted with him. I didn’t at the time as I wanted to focus on giving my DD the best send off possible. Now though I honestly feel he has behaved unforgivably and I don’t want to see or speak to him. But am I overreacting here or am I right to be so upset?

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SeaEagleFeather · 20/02/2020 21:04

I hope the holiday goes well and gives you some space.

I suspect your mum was originally much stronger but has been worn down until she's weak. She -knows- what your father is, and she's let you down badly, but years of being bullied have knocked the stuffing out of her.

justilou1 · 20/02/2020 21:32

I will definitely keep you in the loop, OP! While I have had late miscarriages, and grieved for those babies, I don’t think that that is the same thing at all. You have been through such an immense trauma and the modern, western world simply doesn’t have the language to deal with stillbirth. I’m so very sorry that you and your DH lost your beautiful baby. Then dealing with your past familial traumas and the memories triggered by your father’s behaviour since - I wish I could zap that emotional pain (and resentment and fear) away with a magical wand for you! Anyhow, if you and your lovely DH are experiencing the symptoms you discussed above, perhaps you should make an appointment at the GP together and get some specialist trauma counselling (to cover both baby and dad) and maybe some medication to help with sleep, etc for the time being. You must also remember to gently remind yourselves that while your symptoms are awful, they are the body’s logical response to very severe trauma. They are not a sign of weakness! You are very strong, very brave people who are obviously also very emotionally intelligent!

SeaEagleFeather · 21/02/2020 10:14

agreed with everything justilou says!

justilou1 · 22/02/2020 04:05

Also, please stop engaging with your mum about your father. She has her own narrative about him that exists to make life bearable for HER. Maybe make your relationship with her entirely new. Discuss everything else, but your father and definitely not any topics discussed in therapy (as she will not evolve without therapy of her own, and if she were to get that, it would happen at a different pace anyway.). In my experience, family members have a wonderful way of asking what you discussed in therapy which implies that they care, but they really don’t want to be dropped into any of it or blamed for any of your historical trauma - or you find out later that it has become the subject of gossip amongst the wider family and used against you in arguments. (Your father would use anything learned this way as a weapon)

Shefliesonherownwings · 22/02/2020 11:09

@justilou1 I am trying but she seems to now be trying to justify the email. She text me yesterday so say apparently dad is now saying that he was just writing down some thoughts and doesn't know how the email got sent to me. She didn't offer her views, but it's clear she is trying to excuse what he's done.

Aside from the fact that what he says is crap for many reasons, not least that he sent the email to both my personal and work emails so I'm not sure how that was a mistake, I'm also really angry at mum now.

I text her back and said I don't want to talk or think about it at the moment. DH and I are going away for a few days tomorrow and I want to enjoy our time away. I'm already incredibly anxious about going away so I don't need this extra stress.

I'm just so annoyed and disappointed in mum. I wish she would just wake up and stop enabling him, stop making excuses for him. I am slowly realising she will never support me fully if it means going up against him. I do know this but I am just starting to properly believe it now and I'm so upset. I can't believe my own mother doesn't even have my back. I know she's been beaten down and abused too but I can't imagine not standing up for my own children, even to the detriment of my own wellbeing. I feel awful.

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Drum2018 · 22/02/2020 11:53

I've just read through your thread and am appalled at both your parents behaviour - an abuser and an enabler.

You would do right to block both of them for a few weeks until you have had your break away and some time to find a therapist to help you trash out what has happened over the years. It may not even be the right time to do that as your loss is so recent and trying to begin to come to terms with the loss of your child will be taking a huge toll on you. Adding the traumas your parents have caused over the years may be too much too soon. Take as much time as you need and want away from your mother too. You need to concentrate on your MH and she can just wait until you are ready, if ever, to speak to her again. As for your father, I simply would not bother with him again. Your mother is now his flying monkey, excusing his behaviour with her ridiculous lies about him mistakingly sending that email Hmm How could it have been a mistake when she forewarned you he was going to send it? Guaranteed if you cut contact with her you will encounter more flying monkeys - your bitch aunt or some of your mothers relatives contacting you to tell you how unreasonable you are being because your parents will have given them their fucked up version of the story. Don't be afraid to ignore messages and calls from anyone who you feel is going to pressure you to make contact with your parents.

Put your faith in your baby girl to help you through this. I firmly believe our baby Ds has helped us through our worst times since he passed away. Sounds like your Dh is like mine - a rock! You will find that there are days you will be his rock too. While your grief is shared you will still grieve in your own individual ways. Try to be understanding of each other's grief. If one is having a good day it may seem to the other that they are getting over it. This is not so. You will never get over it but in time you to learn to live with it and that becomes your new 'normal'. See if there are bereavements supoort groups in your area for loss of a baby. I found an online group, equivalent of SANDS in Ireland and it was a life saver in the early years. I went to a few meetings over the years but the online presence was just as valuable. It's such a shame that your parents are seriously tarnishing this time in your lives. It's bad enough you are both going through the loss of your precious baby but to have them causing more grief is unforgivable. Take all the time you and Dh need to decide on what you want to do regarding your mother. Flowers

justilou1 · 22/02/2020 12:12

You have to get it into your head that until she hooks you back into responding to him, she cops it from him instead. Ergo, she has a vested interested in continuing his abuse of you - forever. While you are being abused by this man, he has a victim, and she is safe. She may seem to be the weak, invisible, little woman, but this is a role she has chosen, leaving you to take the blows instead of her. While you refuse contact, the cycle is broken for you, and returns to her. You have taken back your power. She can choose to do so, or not.

LouHotel · 22/02/2020 12:30

I'm so sorry for your loss but I think it sounds like you have a really health relationship with your DH.

I think you need to set a very black and white boundary with your mum and state that you no longer want to hear anything about your father from her and that if she cannot do that then you will be forced to distance yourself from her.

Be prepared that the next thing will be a medical crisis from your father such as a heart attack. it's a script.

User06 · 22/02/2020 12:32

I broke off all contact with my dad 2 years ago because I didn’t want him affecting my children negatively. It was the best thing for me and my family. At the very least I think a trial of NC whilst you are going through this incredibly tragic time would help your mental health x

Comtesse · 22/02/2020 12:51

I am so sorry both your parents are behaving SO badly. I hope you have a good break with your DH. Sounds like both of you could maybe do with a trip to the GP if you haven’t already been? Flowers to you both

Shefliesonherownwings · 22/02/2020 18:38

@Drum2018 thank you, your post resonated with me. I do want to get some help to sort through this mess with my mum but I do also wonder if I have the energy and headspace to address it right now. Tomorrow will be 14 weeks since we lost our DD and I still feel so grief stricken. Not in the same way as the very early days but just as heartbroken. To deal with the parental issues as well may be too much. I wish so much that I had normal supportive parents and didn't have this crap to deal with as well.

My DH is so wonderful. Even when I have been a moody irritable cow taking it out on him, he has shown me nothing but love and understanding. He has taken on dealing with all the investigations by the hospital and others as I can't do it, even though it's hard for him too.

I've found Sands invaluable and have been speaking with a couple of ladies in particular who sadly lost their babies in similar circumstances. It's helpful to have people you can vent to who understand exactly how you feel. I've been to a Sands meeting too and again it was nice to be in a safe supportive space with others who can relate to everything you're going through.

@justilou1 I have such a barrier in my head which prevents me from feeling angry and upset at mum for long. I always revert to wanting to protect her and feeling sad that she is living this life. I struggle so much to really understand that she has brought this on herself and continues to do so. I know that is the case but my heart doesn't want to believe it.

@LouHotel I think you're right. If I di speak to mum I am going to be very clear that I don't want to hear anything about dad. I want to ignore the subject completely and if she brings it up I'll shut it down. I'm sure he will be asking her what I've said and I feel more powerful knowing that if she says nothing, he will hate that. I totally agree the next step will probably be a hospital stay. He does have some health issues but certainly makes out they are worse than they really are. No doubt any hospital stay will be my fault for the stress I have caused.

@Comtesse DH and I haven't been to the docs. We are both wary of becoming dependent on any type of medication including sleeping tablets. DH is quite good at practising mindfulness and tries to encourage me to do it too but I'm so rubbish at switching my brain off that I struggle with it. I might try to do some more though as my sleep is very bad right now.

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justilou1 · 22/02/2020 23:59

I know @Shefliesonherownwings.... you need to get some space with DH as you said. You also need to stop being your mum’s counsellor and focus on yourself and DH and healing each other. Just create a firm boundary (and stick to it) that you will not discuss dad with her at all. If she has problems with his behaviour, she needs to seek professional counselling of her own, perhaps.

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