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Is it awful to want to split just because I'm miserable?

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PaperDreamsHoney · 16/12/2019 12:44

I'm going to do my best not to drip-feed information, but I'm scared of outing myself.

My marriage is utterly miserable. I married my husband when I was 21 and getting over a nervous breakdown. I'm now almost 36 with 2 kids, a 7yo and a 3yo. Our marriage has always been hard; I knew within a year of getting married that I had made a mistake, but I stuck with it partly in the hope that it would get better and partly because I felt trapped. We are part of a culture that almost entirely forbids divorce. In the direst cases of horrible physical abuse it might be deemed 'excusable' to divorce, but neither person would be allowed to remarry. I'm estranged from most of my family (history of abuse), DH didn't like me working and I dropped out of university on the strength of a false promise he made me, so I didn't have anywhere to go.

My husband isn't a bad person necessarily - he provides for us and the kids adore him - but our marriage is really unhappy and, I think, emotionally unhealthy. Women in our culture are supposed to be dependent and submissive, and that isn't me, but I feel like my husband tries to pressure me into that role. He has no faith in me in terms of day-to-day things, eg I've homeschooled our kids for years partly because our culture likes to keep kids away from 'the bad influences of the outside world' but also because DH announced that he has too much to do and he 'can't possibly do the school run on top of everything else he has to do to keep this house running'. Because I'm incompetent and can't manage to walk the kids to school. (For clarity, I do the cooking, shopping, laundry and homeschool the kids. He occasionally cleans the bathroom or washes his own work shirts.)

I hit a complete crisis point a few months ago where I was so badly burnt out I just couldn't stop crying, couldn't carry on the way things are. This has happened several times before where I've said I can't carry on but he's finally agreed to send the kids to school because I absolutely insisted I couldn't keep going. I feel like it shouldn't have had to get to that point before he would agree, but in our culture men are in charge and women are supposed to 'follow their lead' and do as we're told, even if it's half killing us.

The only life I have outside of our culture is an online qualification I'm doing, which DH agreed to to keep me happy. When I finish it in a couple of years I'll be able to get myself a reasonable job and in theory I'd be able to support myself and the kids. I wouldn't deny DH access, but I'd want the kids living primarily with me so they don't get further indoctrinated in his beliefs. At the moment we live as housemates, friends and co-parents and I wish so much that he could face facts, admit we're making each other miserable and separate willingly and continue to co-parent. That won't happen though, because divorce is forbidden, and he's so thoroughly entrenched in the rules that he can't contemplate anything outside of them. (There's going to be a row soon because a friend of mine is getting married - once he finds out she's gay I know he'll refuse to attend the wedding and won't let me take the kids.)

I've tried talking to him about things, trying to couch it gently by saying things like I feel that our culture pressures people to get married too young and too quickly, and I feel like maybe in hindsight we might have got married too quickly. His response was "I don't think we got married too quickly." Effectively shutting me down - no "it didn't feel too quick for me but maybe it was too quick for you". He won't acknowledge anything wrong with the way we did things, which is probably to be expected because he can't admit wrongdoing in general. If he does something clumsy and accidentally hurts one of the kids, I have to force an apology out of him. Likewise when I recently got him to admit that he sometimes hides food from me (he disapproves of me eating chocolate or biscuits, and yes admittedly I do comfort-eat when I'm stressed, but still...) it took about 10 minutes of arguing to get a half-hearted apology from him. His excuse for this is that he 'doesn't like making mistakes'.

There's no romance between us at all; the thought makes me cringe. It would be like kissing my brother. I do my level best to avoid him trying to touch me, because in our belief system I'm not supposed to refuse (if we refuse our husbands sex, it's then our fault if they have affairs or get addicted to porn), so I try to make it so he won't try. For context, I'm a sexual assault survivor, he knows this perfectly well, and he still does things that make me feel threatened because he 'can't be expected to remember' everything. I sleep in the 3yo's room because I can't bear to share a bed with him in case he tries to touch me. Sex has always been unpleasant because he's so rough and clumsy (and doesn't listen when I try to gently correct him - whether he can't understand or doesn't bother remembering I don't know), but the thought of it now makes me feel like I'm about to have a panic attack.

Sorry, this has turned really long and rambly - my question is basically, is it awful of me to be thinking of getting out in a few years? The kids adore their father and he is a good dad, but I don't want them growing up in this belief system. I don't want my daughter to think that this is the sort of life she has to live just because she's female. Or am I kidding myself? I often feel like it's too late, and I made this mess so it's my job to learn to live with it.

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BillHadersNewWife · 16/12/2019 13:14

Why would he have to walk the kids to school if you homeschool? Confused

ohwheniknow · 16/12/2019 13:18

Good dads don't abuse their child's mother in the way he has.

Do you want your children to aspire to such a miserable life and think this is normal and the best they can ever hope for?

Greenkit · 16/12/2019 13:20

It's sounds totally unbearable and I would be looking for a way out.

Can this be done safely without any harm to you and the children?

You sound smart and switched on, I don't think you would have any issues working and providing for your children.

And no UADNBU to leave when you are so unhappy

Greenkit · 16/12/2019 13:21

@BillHadersNewWife RTT

She said she had to home school them as he refused to take them to school and didn't trust "little wifey" to do so.

NeighbourPooNameChange · 16/12/2019 13:27

Paper - no you aren’t unreasonable. It sounds absolutely hellish.

Please get your kids in school and see if you can get your qualification any faster.

Do you have a support structure around you?

TooTrueToBeGood · 16/12/2019 13:31

It would be awful for you to continue to tolerate this. It would be awful for you to continue to set this as the example on which your children will base their future relationships. You keep saying it's down to your culture. How many women do you think played an active role in designing this misogynistic bullshit? It's not culture, it's oppression. Stand up for yourself and stand up for your children. Of course, some people in your "culture" will try and shame you but fuck them and fuck their misogynist oppressive ideologies.

One final point, your husband is not a good dad. A good dad loves, cherishes and respects the mother of his children, he doesn't treat her like a piece of shit.

ComeTheFuck0nBridget · 16/12/2019 13:45

Oh OP, this sounds so awful Thanks

You know what you need to do, and like you said, you need to do it for your daughter as much as for you.

Like a PP said, you sound very smart and switched on so I know you would get through it and be able to support your children.

You deserve not to have to be constantly miserable.

PaperDreamsHoney · 16/12/2019 13:45

@NeighbourPooNameChange I have a few friends who'd support my decision - maybe 3 people. All of them from childhood. All my current 'good friends' would be obliged to at best rebuke me, if not completely shun me. I'm upping the pace of my study next year to get qualified faster.

@TooTrueToBeGood I'm using the word 'culture' to try and avoid reveaing too much. 'Subculture' might be better. Yes it's oppressive, but plenty of that is perpetuated by women on each other.

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Thatagain · 16/12/2019 16:32

Is it a culture or religion? Are you in the uk? It does sound hard what you are going through. Have you got any support network. (Like someone who you can talk to and not get judged ) you are right in not wanting you daughter to have the same life as you. You do need help and support and make a way out for your self. It sounds to me like you are in a cult.

PaperDreamsHoney · 16/12/2019 16:53

@Thatagain yes, I'm in the uk. I'm afraid to say too much in case anyone I know is on here and recognises something, but you're barking up the right tree.

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Thatagain · 16/12/2019 17:07

Oh dear I am so sorry. I genuinely am feeling sad as I can sympathise with you. This is harder then what most people realise. I am lost for words. Please get some help asap you can't stop it. You are not awful to want to split and I do hope you gain some strength to do so. I want to write a lot more my head is spinning. Take care ××

PaperDreamsHoney · 16/12/2019 18:16

@Thatagain it is so much harder than people realise. I have almost no family so our community has become like a surrogate family to me. They're wonderful as long as you're 'one of them', doing as you're told etc. I'm going to lose almost all of my friends, and with the homeschooling my children have no friends outside the community. If their friends' parents shun me, they'll lose their friends too. I know I'm going to have to do it and in the long term it'll be better, but the pain it'll cause in the medium term is awful. And it'll all be my fault.

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RealMermaid · 16/12/2019 18:23

This is a completely unbearable situation. What could you do to expand your support network outside of your culture? Your qualification sounds great but is there anything else you could do (such as a very part time job or volunteering?) that would get you out of the house and creating a network of people who will still be there when you do leave him (and perhaps would allow you to get a bit of money together?)

PaperDreamsHoney · 16/12/2019 20:39

Once the kids are at school he's agreed I can look for part time work, though most of what I earn will go on the kids' school costs. I don't know where I'll stand legally - if I've saved up money while we're still living married will he be entitled to half of it when we split? We have no savings and don't own property or anything.

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Sadiesnakes · 16/12/2019 20:46

Why would he have to walk the kids to school if you homeschool?

This is what you are taking from that whole post? 🙄

Interestedwoman · 16/12/2019 20:51

You're not just miserable though, you're barely coping. You deserve a better life than this ASAP. Hugs xxx

CandyFlossSkies · 16/12/2019 21:44

You sound like an intelligent woman. It's fantastic that you'll be able to at least start earning money. You are like a bird trapped in a cage right now and you're waiting for that cage door to open. It sounds to me like you'll be much happier once you leave, even if you lose friends. I assume that you are of a particular faith. In most faiths, I'm sure there are communities of people that meet to support one another after being somehow shunned from their community. Look for them and you might made a different sort of family, a different sort of support network. The beauty of the internet is you can go beyond the confines of this community to talk to all of us, who might be from such different backgrounds.

It doesn't sound unreasonable at all to me to split in this situation. Your mental health is at stake here. Your children might not have the maturity to understand it right now, but I think they might when they're older. And no, you don't have to live with it. You were 21, inexperienced, vulnerable and brought up in quite a closed community. You don't have to leave straight away. Just get yourself used to the idea of it and get yourself as far ahead in your job as you can so you can maximise your earnings.

Melchy · 17/12/2019 00:17

First time poster because I wanted to say I know what you're going through. I'm in similar position. Pretty sure I know your community because I'm in it too. It's a very difficult position to be in.
I hope you find your happiness and make some good new friends.

justilou1 · 17/12/2019 00:33

You know you’re describing financial abuse and coercive control which are both illegal in the UK. You have a great case for a divorce.

PaperDreamsHoney · 17/12/2019 09:21

I don't think it's financial abuse - I have access to money via joint account, just no income of my own.

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TrueRefuge · 17/12/2019 09:36

I don't have any practical advice. I just want to say, I'm so sorry that you're in this position, it sounds absolutely awful.

I know you say your community has become your family, but (and I hope this doesn't sound naive), you could find a newer, healthier community if you broke free from this 'culture' and build a more open, inclusive network. I know it's easy to say, but you just sound so broken and at the same time so intelligent and strong, I just hope you find happiness one day soon.

Bearski77 · 17/12/2019 09:49

Oh @PaperDreamsHoney I am genuinely in tears for you. You sound like a wonderful, intelligent, and caring person. You are certainly not awful wanting to split, he is draining your life and you do not deserve to live like that. I can see it's hard for you to get away, but I sincerely hope you can find a way to do that and start again. Sending you love for a brighter future xx

TryTry123 · 17/12/2019 09:53

Contact Women's Aid.

Bert99 · 17/12/2019 10:10

@PaperDreamsHoney I think I know the belief system you mean as I was brought up with it (if I've worked this outright).I get how you struggle to have outside support as you're very likely to be alienated if you 'leave'.
I just wanted to say you can pm me if you need to talk and I'll try to help any way I can.

Wilmalovescake · 17/12/2019 10:20

I think I probably know the sort of organisation you’re involved with.

We’ve recently had to leave a church for different reasons and the impact on all our relationships has been awful, kids included.

I would accelerate your studies; and maybe try and get the kids involved in some other community clubs in your area- it will give them other friends who aren’t connected to your faith community, and if you look for activities locally then there’s a chance those new friends could also be school friends.

Get your kids into school as soon as you can. Start building new friendships at the school gate. You’re sadly right, you’ll lose most of your current support structure if you leave but you can’t go on like this, so get building Flowers

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