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Is it awful to want to split just because I'm miserable?

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PaperDreamsHoney · 16/12/2019 12:44

I'm going to do my best not to drip-feed information, but I'm scared of outing myself.

My marriage is utterly miserable. I married my husband when I was 21 and getting over a nervous breakdown. I'm now almost 36 with 2 kids, a 7yo and a 3yo. Our marriage has always been hard; I knew within a year of getting married that I had made a mistake, but I stuck with it partly in the hope that it would get better and partly because I felt trapped. We are part of a culture that almost entirely forbids divorce. In the direst cases of horrible physical abuse it might be deemed 'excusable' to divorce, but neither person would be allowed to remarry. I'm estranged from most of my family (history of abuse), DH didn't like me working and I dropped out of university on the strength of a false promise he made me, so I didn't have anywhere to go.

My husband isn't a bad person necessarily - he provides for us and the kids adore him - but our marriage is really unhappy and, I think, emotionally unhealthy. Women in our culture are supposed to be dependent and submissive, and that isn't me, but I feel like my husband tries to pressure me into that role. He has no faith in me in terms of day-to-day things, eg I've homeschooled our kids for years partly because our culture likes to keep kids away from 'the bad influences of the outside world' but also because DH announced that he has too much to do and he 'can't possibly do the school run on top of everything else he has to do to keep this house running'. Because I'm incompetent and can't manage to walk the kids to school. (For clarity, I do the cooking, shopping, laundry and homeschool the kids. He occasionally cleans the bathroom or washes his own work shirts.)

I hit a complete crisis point a few months ago where I was so badly burnt out I just couldn't stop crying, couldn't carry on the way things are. This has happened several times before where I've said I can't carry on but he's finally agreed to send the kids to school because I absolutely insisted I couldn't keep going. I feel like it shouldn't have had to get to that point before he would agree, but in our culture men are in charge and women are supposed to 'follow their lead' and do as we're told, even if it's half killing us.

The only life I have outside of our culture is an online qualification I'm doing, which DH agreed to to keep me happy. When I finish it in a couple of years I'll be able to get myself a reasonable job and in theory I'd be able to support myself and the kids. I wouldn't deny DH access, but I'd want the kids living primarily with me so they don't get further indoctrinated in his beliefs. At the moment we live as housemates, friends and co-parents and I wish so much that he could face facts, admit we're making each other miserable and separate willingly and continue to co-parent. That won't happen though, because divorce is forbidden, and he's so thoroughly entrenched in the rules that he can't contemplate anything outside of them. (There's going to be a row soon because a friend of mine is getting married - once he finds out she's gay I know he'll refuse to attend the wedding and won't let me take the kids.)

I've tried talking to him about things, trying to couch it gently by saying things like I feel that our culture pressures people to get married too young and too quickly, and I feel like maybe in hindsight we might have got married too quickly. His response was "I don't think we got married too quickly." Effectively shutting me down - no "it didn't feel too quick for me but maybe it was too quick for you". He won't acknowledge anything wrong with the way we did things, which is probably to be expected because he can't admit wrongdoing in general. If he does something clumsy and accidentally hurts one of the kids, I have to force an apology out of him. Likewise when I recently got him to admit that he sometimes hides food from me (he disapproves of me eating chocolate or biscuits, and yes admittedly I do comfort-eat when I'm stressed, but still...) it took about 10 minutes of arguing to get a half-hearted apology from him. His excuse for this is that he 'doesn't like making mistakes'.

There's no romance between us at all; the thought makes me cringe. It would be like kissing my brother. I do my level best to avoid him trying to touch me, because in our belief system I'm not supposed to refuse (if we refuse our husbands sex, it's then our fault if they have affairs or get addicted to porn), so I try to make it so he won't try. For context, I'm a sexual assault survivor, he knows this perfectly well, and he still does things that make me feel threatened because he 'can't be expected to remember' everything. I sleep in the 3yo's room because I can't bear to share a bed with him in case he tries to touch me. Sex has always been unpleasant because he's so rough and clumsy (and doesn't listen when I try to gently correct him - whether he can't understand or doesn't bother remembering I don't know), but the thought of it now makes me feel like I'm about to have a panic attack.

Sorry, this has turned really long and rambly - my question is basically, is it awful of me to be thinking of getting out in a few years? The kids adore their father and he is a good dad, but I don't want them growing up in this belief system. I don't want my daughter to think that this is the sort of life she has to live just because she's female. Or am I kidding myself? I often feel like it's too late, and I made this mess so it's my job to learn to live with it.

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YouRemindMeOfTheBabelfish · 17/12/2019 10:21

Women's Aid, definitely. They have helped many people in similar situations.

Just because a set of behaviours is 'normal' in a particular culture or subculture, it doesn't stop those behaviours being abusive, oppressive, wrong.

Last time I was in refuge, there was a very young woman there who had run from her entire culture. She was helped to get hundreds of miles away and start again.

This could be you. And you would make new friends, ones you chose to have. You could marry or not marry, date or not date, work full-time if you wanted, send your kids to a school you wanted to.

I hope things improve. I'd be wanting to find out if there was somewhere I could save money where your husband couldn't get it.

sugarbum · 17/12/2019 10:31

OP you sound intelligent and articulate and I agree with the posters who say to contact Womens Aid. You need assistance here. Your husband may not be a 'bad person' but life isn't black and white - you've explained the way he is - controlling, condescending - deluded even. You absolutely need to get out of there.

selmabear · 17/12/2019 10:43

OP your husband is controlling you. Its cohesive control. In the UK that is illegal and treated as a serious offensive. Womens aid can help you OP to start thinking of leaving this marriage. You don't have to wait a few years to leave, you can leave now. Good luck OP 💐

Musti · 17/12/2019 10:51

Hey lovely. You are so strong and intelligent. You should absolutely split for your sake as well as the kids. Your kids are lucky that they have you.

If you're in the UK see what help you could get to leave asap, otherwise carry on studying and it would be good if you got a part time job to build up your confidence, start earning and becoming independent.

PaperDreamsHoney · 17/12/2019 12:24

Everyone's being so lovely and I'm just so confused. I feel like maybe I'm making it sound worse than it is. He doesn't hit me, swear at me, call me names, threaten me or anything like that. Yes I feel like he's kind of controlling but he mostly does it by sulking. It's true he patronises me, encourages me to think I can't do something if I'm having a confidence-wobble, doesn't respect my boundaries and minimises things that upset me. But he's an active and involved father and he's pleasant enough to me a lot of the time. I believe he genuinely thinks he's a kind, caring husband. But I'm not in love with him and it's killing me to think I'm never going to have the chance to be love someone else because I'm trapped.

Have I set the bar too low? My mother had 2 abusive marriages so mine honestly looked relatively healthy by comparison, at least at the start. I feel like I actually have no clue what a decent relationship looks like.

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Bearski77 · 17/12/2019 12:46

It does feel confusing, same with me, he doesn't hurt me or threaten me and never would, but you don't need those things to be your reason to want to leave. My dh too thinks he's a kind and caring husband, I'm sure, as do all his family, but there are many things wrong that have built up over the years and I have had enough. My family knows how I feel. I often think that when I talk to people about my situation I'm making it sound worse than it is, highlighting the bad points. But when the bad points far outweigh the good, you know the choice you have to make, and it''s hard, it really is. You need the chance to love someone else and for someone to love you. We only get one chance at life and you need to be happy. If only I would take my own advice! x

PaperDreamsHoney · 17/12/2019 18:51

@Wilmalovescake how are your kids coping, if you don't mind me asking?

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user764329056 · 17/12/2019 18:58

Am not sure of the culture you are referring to OP but there are support groups/organisations for pretty much all sectors of society in the UK and I feel sure if you did some research online you’d find the right resource for you, there are so many women in your position from all sorts of religions and cultures, please see what is available because life is too short for the misery you are experiencing

Pennyandme · 17/12/2019 20:54

Culture, abuse or no abuse.
You aren’t happy.
You deserve to be happy.
Let’s work out a plan, you sound such a lovely person x

Kwhatnow1 · 17/12/2019 23:26

Are you part of the travelling community by any chance?

PaperDreamsHoney · 18/12/2019 00:00

@Kwhatnow1 No, I'm not.

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Whathewhatnow · 18/12/2019 00:35

This sounds awful, OP.

From what you have said I can maybe guess the community you're part of.

I had two girls, twins, who I was really close to growing up and who were born into this... system. This was in the 1980s. Their mum got divorced and took them and their then-11-year-old brother and set herself up alone. Kids were better than fine. Probably a great deal better off than had they stayed, particularly in the case of the girls, who subsequently went on to have great careers.

PaperDreamsHoney · 19/12/2019 12:40

Bumping this to see if anyone at all disagrees and thinks I should stay.

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INeedNewShoes · 19/12/2019 12:48

No one is going to think you should stay.

Seriously, start planning. If doing it for yourself isn't good enough reason for you, is this really how you want your kids to think life should be? Do this for all of you.

XXXXXX42 · 19/12/2019 13:52

No - you should not stay. You should leave and make a new and fulfilling life for yourself and your kids.

HopeItComesWithBatteries · 19/12/2019 14:15

I think I can imagine the culture you are referring to OP and in the short term yes I can imagine you would be shunned. However there is nothing to stop you moving away and starting afresh, and as others have said there are bound to be support groups for people in your situation.

I believe that long term the benefits would be immeasurable for you and your children. Start believing in that dream and planning for it. 💐

PaperDreamsHoney · 04/02/2020 21:49

Just wanted to update and say thank you for everyone's advice and support. My elder child is starting school this week and the younger is set to follow in September. I'm still stuck here for now but making some more concrete plans to get myself ready to leave. Thanks everyone. x

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Dappledsunlight · 04/02/2020 23:31

I felt panicked just reading your account, never mind living it. Please get your qualification and prepare an exit plan. This life sounds miserable. There are online sources for helping to leave these situations. You can find help. Good luck.

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