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I have no friends

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JudasHisCarrot · 10/12/2019 20:54

This is something that plays on my mind every day, without fail. I don't have any close friends, or groups of friends. So many people seem to. My BF has two separate groups of male friends, and they're all so close. He says he'd be lost without them, and to be honest I feel lost. I feel pangs of sadness and envy when I hear about other people's best friends or friendship groups. I've never had any close friends.

I have always found it difficult to trust people and I think I have quite low self-esteem. I probably come across a little aloof, which is purely down to shyness and social anxiety. I had a sexually and emotionally abusive childhood which I think has affected me. My sister (who went through the same things I did) has the same issues with friends, and it hurts her as much as it hurts me.

I'm currently going through a tough time, a long-winded and complicated divorce, I have two young children, and my life is uncertain. My mental health isn't the best.

Everyone already seems to have established friendship groups, so I'm unsure as to how to make friends. I worry that if I put myself out there more then people would be putting up with me or humouring me rather than actually wanting to be my friend. I know I'm a good person, I'm caring and empathetic and I just want to be accepted and have close friends.

I feel very lonely. Am I the only one?

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Schmoozer · 11/12/2019 17:36

Check out Facebook group chuMNs
It was set up couple
Years ago after a thread like this, it’s been quiet lately, but be great to get it more active / social again 😊

TobyParker · 11/12/2019 19:10

Maybe the key here is expectation/desire management?

If we lack “positive childhood social experience”, often we try to recreate those “close bonds” as an adult?

It doesn’t help that there’s a“friendship fantasy” perpetuated by the media (think Richard Curtis films or Sex and the City)

This “inner child” desire doesn’t really translate well into adult life though.

You can’t build yourself a new grown up friendship family.

Most mature functioning friendships are pragmatic and based on common interests and lifestyles and superficial timing.

Well-off people socialise with other well-off people, colleagues socialise with each other.

I had a triple whammy growing up with

(1) abusive family
(2) socially being awkward with ASD
(3) physically fitting into the “female who gets serious male attention ” category so I’d easily get dates but not mates.

I experienced loads of social rejection and humiliation and awkwardness in my teens and early twenties.

So as a reaction, as an adult I craved a group of companions who had lots of interest in “authentically connecting” with me.

I attended meet-ups, went to spiritual and religious things, volunteered.

I did have some “success” with this (full social diary and attended lots of cool nights out).

Looking back, this period of my life wasn’t actually very good for me emotionally.

Most of those I’d describe as my “close friends” at the time would be odd creepy blokes wanting a pseudo- girlfriend or people I had nothing in common with or users.

Because I was still internally too desperate I overlooked bad behaviour and had poor boundaries.

I was projecting “people pleaser who wanted to be liked and included” and this brought out social vultures in force.

I’d let myself spend time with adult bullies (which didn’t help my self esteem).

I tolerated multiple microaggressions in my hunt for true companionship. You know when people regularly organise something between themselves and you’re somehow always left as the one who has to “chase”? That kind of thing.

Or I’d meet people who would pursue me socially, then be quite clear they’d only socialise with me if I did all the chasing.

Looking back I wish I’d spent the time and money on something else - career advancement or learning a new language.

Or doing a chilled out solitary hobby like gardening or cross-stitch or meditation or learning to cook more stuff.

Feeling lonely is simply an emotion and the human condition

I’ve learned I’d rather be lonely staying in with a cup of tea and doing some yoga at home than be feeling ignored or rejected in a club or restaurant.

Most reasonably intelligent thirty something women are focussing on their own private life goals (career/finances/family/retirement goals/whatever makes you tick) and any friendships you make on the way are a bonus.

Of course emotional self-care is important

but this doesn’t need to come in the form of a “regular night out drinking cocktails with three other women and chatting”?

AnnieGlypta · 11/12/2019 19:30

TobyParker

Wow! You are me!

dimsum123 · 11/12/2019 19:59

@TobyParker

Wise words. I think that's where I'm at, I'd rather be at home alone with a good book and a cup of tea than out with a 'friend' with whom I have an unhealthy relationship.

I think this might be why I've got used to and just accept being lonely now. I've tried friendships but they just don't seem to work for me. I didn't have a healthy attachment to either parent growing up, and as an adult the unmet needs of the inner child inevitably draw me into very unhealthy adult relationships.

The only exception to that is DH. Somehow our relationship and friendship is healthy and reciprocal and I think that is what sustains me despite having no other friends.

Tiredandgrumpytonight · 11/12/2019 20:01

Same here. I hate having no one to just chat to.

I’ve just joined bumble BFF and chatting to a couple of people on there.

dimsum123 · 11/12/2019 20:04

And I agree with the 'friendship fallacy', it's no different to the Hollywood creation of 'the one' and 'falling in love and living happily ever after'.

Real life is very different.

BlackCatFan · 11/12/2019 20:11

You're not the only one. I've been struggling with this myself recently, not sure if Christmas has something to do with that. I have one friend, my DP - although the relationship isn't great at the moment tbh.. my dad who I hardly speak to and when I do I regret it, for various reasons the relationship isn't great.. my mum passed away when I was young. I feel very lonely. Not sure what the answer is.

BlackCatFan · 11/12/2019 20:13

Bumble BFF sounds interesting. The problem is I'm mid 30's and maybe I'm too 'old' for that. And I'm a bit 'weird'

Tiredandgrumpytonight · 11/12/2019 20:14

I honestly don’t think you are Black Cat!

KimchiLaLa · 11/12/2019 20:17

Not exactly the same but almost - I have a few close friends, but nothing like the massive huge group people seem to have to do friends xmas' and secret Santa's with! I don't think I smell, ask questions about other people, and pay my own way. Maybe there's something I'm completely missing?

JudasHisCarrot · 11/12/2019 20:20

Just catching up with the thread after a day of looking after an ill 5 year old (who is thankfully now asleep!)

Thanks everyone for responding and sharing their stories. If I wanted to create a chat group for us for mutual support/chat/a good whinge about things/whatever where should I do that? Mumsnet or elsewhere?

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JudasHisCarrot · 11/12/2019 20:27

@tobyparker thank you for your interesting response. I can identify with a lot of what you've said. I've definitely been treated badly by 'friends' in the past, which I have overlooked or put up with, because I have been so desperate to be accepted and have friends.

Another issue I've had is that I have tried to be friends with men - I get on well with men and I'm very into sports which means that I have a lot in common with some men. A number of times these men have made a move on me, thinking I'm interested in more (even when I've had a partner or husband!) and it has wrecked it. I was starting to develop a group of friends a few years ago in a local pub. It was a mixture of men and women and we all loved football and rugby and all got on well etc. One night the pub landlord made a move on me and I turned him down. He then started lots of rumours about me and turned everyone there against me so I couldn't really go back Sad.

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Radicalradiator · 11/12/2019 20:47

For the single parents have you tried Frolo app? It’s to connect single parents and you can set up meet-ups etc. I’ve been on a couple and made some new friends that way

PhilCornwall1 · 11/12/2019 20:59

I'm the same, but comfortable with it and it's through choice. I have people I see outside of the home weekly (or mostly weekly), but I don't count them as friends.

I trust very few people and I'm fine with that. So you are not alone in having not what you would call friends.

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 11/12/2019 21:54

I hope that after reading responses you can see that the friendship difficulty is more common than you think sad though it is. I am finding myself in a similar position this year and it has been really hard. I had a lot of unhealthy 'friendships' people using me for favours taking all the time without anything back.
I started to put up boundaries/ saying no etc. Unsurprisingly they couldnt be seen for dust.
It made me realise though that I attracted a certain type which I work on continually, as like yourself had a very abusive start in life.
Also dont get caught up in the portrayal of female friendship groups on social media/ films etc. As a former member of these groups they can be quite toxic backstabbing/ competitive just nasty at times. The cocktail pic on fb just tells a different story.
I totally empathise with you though I am still working on my self esteem and feelings of value. But I really dont miss those people. Luckily I do enjoy my own company. I hope 2020 brings you some kindred souls ☺️ oh and as a total people pleasing giver open to being taken advantage of I recommend the book ' The Courage to be Disliked' well worth a read.

Mary1935 · 11/12/2019 22:16

Hi lots of children who grew up in alcoholic or dysfunctional abusive family have certain traits. Google traits of Adult children of alcoholic and abusive families.
They do meetings which has greatly reduced my isolation and I’ve met like minded people.
Its more highlighted at Christmas. The loneliness and isolation.
🌺

PuppyMonkey · 12/12/2019 11:45

Just wanted to add another vote of thanks to @TobyParker - your post has put things into perspective for me.Smile

Spritesobright · 12/12/2019 20:11

Start organising. Sometimes you have to carve them out rather than hope they happen organically. Do you have a hobby? Or other association/group you belong to?

This is how I went about creating a group of friends. I'm in a club that meets weekly. From that I set up a whatssap group and encouraged anyone I liked in the club to join. Then I went about organising activities in the group - spa visits, book club nights, dinners, and of course our hobby.

I put quite a bit of effort into it over the years but its paid dividends.

Could you do something similar?

Tiredandgrumpytonight · 12/12/2019 21:38

If what Toby has said is true ... and I’m not doubting it. Who are all these groups of women we KNOW are doing these nights our and secret Santa’s and weekends away? Because it is happening.

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