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Is this gaslighting?

42 replies

dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 10:11

I’ll try and keep this short. This situation has really messed with my head.

Met a guy in October. Right from the off, he was saying how into me he was, even posted a little gift through my letterbox when we’d only known each other a few days, texting every day, saying he felt something special between us. I initially asked him to back away because I felt it was too full on and something didn’t feel right.

We continued talking as friends, and one night he was really supportive when I felt a bit down. I decided to give him a chance, and for the next couple of weeks everything was amazing. Literally felt like a fairytale romance, he couldn’t stop telling me how into me he was and was in touch every day and saying how he saw a long term future with us, talking about going on mini breaks next year, how amazing it felt when we were together. We had the relationship chat - saying ‘do you want to be my boyfriend/girlfriend’, sounds like 15 year olds I know but was said in a kind of cute/silly way.

Then we had a minor fallout and I got upset. I told him I thought I was falling in love with him and he freaked out. Yes, with hindsight this was too soon to say something like that, but his behaviour and words had led me to think his feelings were strong, and I wasn’t saying I loved him at that moment - just that I could in the future. I got a bit upset and he suddenly went incredibly cold - it was like a different person was sat in front of me that I didn’t recognise. Accused me of being manipulative for being upset and suddenly started saying he wasn’t ready for a relationship (he said his ex was toxic and manipulative and that he had issues stemming from that). I ended things and said if that’s what he thought of me, I didn’t want to be with him.

We spent the following week talking loads about our anxieties from previous relationships as I have them too, talking and talking and what I thought was starting to understand and trust each other. He told me he felt even closer to me and that his feelings for me had grown, I still made him feel amazing and close to me and he wanted to make this work because he wanted that future with me. So I agreed to give it another go and again we jokingly said the whole ‘still wanna be my boyfriend/girlfriend?’

Weekend just gone was lovely. Again he was really intense, telling me how deep and wonderful it was, how safe and connected with me he felt - then Monday and Tuesday night he just ignored my texts. I wasn’t bombarding him, just sent a couple asking if he was OK, as he’s usually in heavy contact every day it was out of the ordinary not to hear from him. I sensed something was up yesterday morning and pushed for an answer.

That’s when he came out with a load of stuff I really wasn’t expecting. Said he’d had doubts about me all along, didn’t think I was ‘the one’, was trying to ‘lean into it’ but It didn’t feel right, and - here’s the kicker - that in his head he was never actually my boyfriend?! He started splitting hairs about saying ‘would you like to be’ is not the same as ‘will you be’ and that he meant it in a future tense because he’d never become someone’s boyfriend after only a few weeks, It was never that deep for him and that I must have misinterpreted things. He said I was ‘pushing him too hard’ by wanting to take photos together and put them on Instagram (I never posted anything about him on social media, I made a joke about soppy couple selfies on Instagram but did not and had no intention of posting anything).

Now don’t get me wrong, everyone is entitled to change their feelings about someone. But this was all news to me - this was the guy who’d pursued me aggressively from the start, contacted me repeatedly every day, told me how wonderful and deep it felt, how much he liked me, how he saw a future together, how I was everything he’d been looking for. I was unsure at first as I said, but he kept giving these cues that he was super into me and I responded in kind when I got to the point of feeling the same about him. I’ve met people I was unsure about but wanted to give a chance and I certainly didn’t act like that. I’m not that intense in every dating situation, as I said, I was responding to his cues, but of course I did want to because it felt right when we were together as I came to believe he was genuine. To say I was ‘misinterpreting’ the situation and he was never my boyfriend just seems to me like rewriting history, I’m not sure anyone could have drawn any other conclusion from his behaviour? He’s now blocked on every platform as I’m thoroughly weirded out by the whole thing but it’s knocked me for six and I’m questioning whether it was me at fault all along.

Sorry, that really wasn’t short!

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stophuggingme · 05/12/2019 10:19

He sounds as though he has potential to be a gaslighter.
He also sounds a bit of a loose canon tbh

If you ask me he’s best consigned to your past. All that blowing hot and cold is exhausting and indicators for things which will not bode well for a healthy relationship.

Think of it as him doing you a favour by disappearing and think no more about it.
However I would refrain from being so heartfelt with any future potential partners at such an early stage. If they are chancers you are leaving yourself vulnerable to more hurt and disappointment. If they are genuine you will know if you give it time and keep a level head.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/12/2019 10:20

There are many red flags re this individual in your post.

No its not you, its him. Glad to read you've blocked him on every platform. Keep him blocked too and resist any and all future attempts made by him to worm his way back into your life.

Do read this article called The Loser :-www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/IdentifyingLosers.html

You were indeed both love bombed and gaslighted and chillingly as well he mirrored your own self re behaviours.

Sexnotgender · 05/12/2019 10:20

He sounds like he love bombed you initially and now is being a dick. No one needs that stress.

LilouBlue · 05/12/2019 10:23

Of course it wasn't your fault. You've said it yourself, it was HIM pushing things way too fast from the start. He's a huge game player and you are FAR better off out of it.

Caramel78 · 05/12/2019 10:26

He’s game playing. Hot and coldness like that is mentally draining and you don’t need it in your life. Consistency is the key to a happy relationship and he clearly isn’t capable of that.

LilouBlue · 05/12/2019 10:28

Oh and to answer your title, yes it sounds like gaslighting. He said he wanted to be your boyfriend, said he felt a strong connection and saw a future with you. He then denied that by saying he never felt that you were the one, and he was responding to your cues. You know that isn't true.

bluebella4 · 05/12/2019 10:29

Alot of red flags!! He's doing alot of research and testing. So that he can use this later on down the road in the relationship.

Run, run far away as possible. This is not cute, this is not potential loveable boyfriend. This is potential abuse he's training you up perfectly. He's getting into your head and you are making space for him.

Please just run!!

dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 10:30

Thanks for the link Attila. He didn’t have many of those characteristics except the initial super fast attachment. But there were a couple of other things I found disconcerting about him. He didn’t seem to have any friends except his colleagues. He blamed this on dropping all his friends while in his last relationship. We were also in a cafe once and I got up to go to the toilet and he said ‘don’t be too long!’ Which I found really chilling. I pulled him up on it and he said he was only joking and just ‘didn’t like being away from me’. But he didn’t seem to want to isolate me from anyone, if anything we both encouraged each other to go and do our own thing, me especially as I wanted him to have friends and interests outside the relationship

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dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 10:32

I know you’re all right. It’s just mad how much it gets in your head!

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SpamChaudFroid · 05/12/2019 10:32

Yes gaslighting - along with giant portions of future faking and love bombing.

What a fickle wanker!

SpamChaudFroid · 05/12/2019 10:34

And paints his ex as a psycho! They never deviate from the script, do they?

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 05/12/2019 10:46

So many red flags here.

I think he has done you a favour by ending it. Well, to be honest I think you've dodged a bullet.

No, you are not at fault here, but take it a bit slower next time.

It's definitely him, not you!

hellsbellsmelons · 05/12/2019 10:50

It's definitely him but... you ignored a huge amount of red flags with this one.
Don't ignore your gut in the future!
Anyone this intense and full on so fast is not right!
Well done on blocking him.
He's a twat.

bluebella4 · 05/12/2019 10:59

I'm so glad to hear your gut is telling you something is off. He's seems to be a pro.

Think the perfect one is, his ex is mad!

dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 11:12

Yeah the mad ex is really cliche isn’t it? Bit of an update - I messaged his ex (knew who she was from his Instagram) asking if she’d ever experienced any alarming behaviours from him. She messaged back saying she did and it’s a pattern of behaviour. We’re going for a coffee later to debrief!

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twoshedsjackson · 05/12/2019 11:24

Interesting update,dodgetheballchamp; in a slightly different context, a friend of mine was receiving counselling (which seems to be helping) and told me about a very telling question his counsellor asked him; "how would you feel if you went to a social gathering, and discovered that people from all the different aspects of your life were there?" In other words, they could compare notes! At that time, he admitted to finding the idea deeply disturbing.
Where a normal person would cheerfully chat about how they have a mutual acquaintance, this personality type relies on new people in his life not knowing his/her previous "form".

RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 11:28

In simple terms he's a nutter, back away slowly, make no sudden moves, drop off his radar, don't make yourself a target

bluebella4 · 05/12/2019 11:29

Just be very careful. I'm not sure of the need/benefit of meeting ex. Can you not just learn from it and move on?

My friend found out her partner cheated and then she meet the person he had the affair with. This also turned into a toxic relationship.

RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 11:33

I don't think it's a good idea to meet up with his ex, you're just getting more embroiled with his life, why would you want to do that, he sounds like a complete liability ...don't trouble trouble

AFistfulofDolores1 · 05/12/2019 11:38

Be careful that meeting his ex isn't a way of maintaining a form of contact with him that you can justify away.

stophuggingme · 05/12/2019 11:41

Why would you meet up with his ex?
What are you hoping that will achieve?

He would fucking love it

RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 11:48

I agree, the thought that two women are specifically meeting up to discuss him in detail will make him feel very important

RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 11:48

You're probably being groomed for a threesome or something 😳

dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 11:52

He’s blocked on every conceivable communication platform so I won’t be relaying anything said by his ex to him. I’m just interested in her experiences. If she turns out to be weird as well, or they’re still in contact or grooming me into a threesome, she’ll be getting blocked too!

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RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 11:57

In that case good luck 👍
(and please report back 😊)

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