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Is this gaslighting?

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dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 10:11

I’ll try and keep this short. This situation has really messed with my head.

Met a guy in October. Right from the off, he was saying how into me he was, even posted a little gift through my letterbox when we’d only known each other a few days, texting every day, saying he felt something special between us. I initially asked him to back away because I felt it was too full on and something didn’t feel right.

We continued talking as friends, and one night he was really supportive when I felt a bit down. I decided to give him a chance, and for the next couple of weeks everything was amazing. Literally felt like a fairytale romance, he couldn’t stop telling me how into me he was and was in touch every day and saying how he saw a long term future with us, talking about going on mini breaks next year, how amazing it felt when we were together. We had the relationship chat - saying ‘do you want to be my boyfriend/girlfriend’, sounds like 15 year olds I know but was said in a kind of cute/silly way.

Then we had a minor fallout and I got upset. I told him I thought I was falling in love with him and he freaked out. Yes, with hindsight this was too soon to say something like that, but his behaviour and words had led me to think his feelings were strong, and I wasn’t saying I loved him at that moment - just that I could in the future. I got a bit upset and he suddenly went incredibly cold - it was like a different person was sat in front of me that I didn’t recognise. Accused me of being manipulative for being upset and suddenly started saying he wasn’t ready for a relationship (he said his ex was toxic and manipulative and that he had issues stemming from that). I ended things and said if that’s what he thought of me, I didn’t want to be with him.

We spent the following week talking loads about our anxieties from previous relationships as I have them too, talking and talking and what I thought was starting to understand and trust each other. He told me he felt even closer to me and that his feelings for me had grown, I still made him feel amazing and close to me and he wanted to make this work because he wanted that future with me. So I agreed to give it another go and again we jokingly said the whole ‘still wanna be my boyfriend/girlfriend?’

Weekend just gone was lovely. Again he was really intense, telling me how deep and wonderful it was, how safe and connected with me he felt - then Monday and Tuesday night he just ignored my texts. I wasn’t bombarding him, just sent a couple asking if he was OK, as he’s usually in heavy contact every day it was out of the ordinary not to hear from him. I sensed something was up yesterday morning and pushed for an answer.

That’s when he came out with a load of stuff I really wasn’t expecting. Said he’d had doubts about me all along, didn’t think I was ‘the one’, was trying to ‘lean into it’ but It didn’t feel right, and - here’s the kicker - that in his head he was never actually my boyfriend?! He started splitting hairs about saying ‘would you like to be’ is not the same as ‘will you be’ and that he meant it in a future tense because he’d never become someone’s boyfriend after only a few weeks, It was never that deep for him and that I must have misinterpreted things. He said I was ‘pushing him too hard’ by wanting to take photos together and put them on Instagram (I never posted anything about him on social media, I made a joke about soppy couple selfies on Instagram but did not and had no intention of posting anything).

Now don’t get me wrong, everyone is entitled to change their feelings about someone. But this was all news to me - this was the guy who’d pursued me aggressively from the start, contacted me repeatedly every day, told me how wonderful and deep it felt, how much he liked me, how he saw a future together, how I was everything he’d been looking for. I was unsure at first as I said, but he kept giving these cues that he was super into me and I responded in kind when I got to the point of feeling the same about him. I’ve met people I was unsure about but wanted to give a chance and I certainly didn’t act like that. I’m not that intense in every dating situation, as I said, I was responding to his cues, but of course I did want to because it felt right when we were together as I came to believe he was genuine. To say I was ‘misinterpreting’ the situation and he was never my boyfriend just seems to me like rewriting history, I’m not sure anyone could have drawn any other conclusion from his behaviour? He’s now blocked on every platform as I’m thoroughly weirded out by the whole thing but it’s knocked me for six and I’m questioning whether it was me at fault all along.

Sorry, that really wasn’t short!

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Deadsouls · 05/12/2019 12:16

There are a few red flags:

Intermittent reinforcement- has the effect of confusing you and leaving you unsure of where you stand. The unpredictability also has the effect of bonding you to him/them. (The going back for more)

Love bombing - the initial phase, where the seductive hooking in occurs.

Hot/cold - also push/pull has the same effect as the intermittent reinforcement

Blame shifting and projection - it's all your fault! He never said this, he didn't mean that. YOU misinterpreted things. YOU moved too fast etc. Actually he did those things. You responded to his cues.

Emotionally unavailable - when it comes down to it, this man can talk the talk, but when it comes to real and genuine intimacy...he's not capable

Idealise/devalue/discard - three phases of the relationship, then repeat for as long as you allow it

Future faking - part of the love bombing and seduction phase; 'we're going to do this', 'we'll go there'. It's all way off in the future, empty words designed to hook you in and keep you there

I'm sure there are more

But the point is no contact is the only way. Which you are doing. Not sure what meeting his ex will achieve other than keep him alive in your mind.

dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 12:17

I will report back! I’m intrigued. Her reply to me sounded genuine and kind and like she’d had a hard time with him too, but of course I don’t know her so I’m remaining wary. I didn’t expect her to respond at all tbh, but it was his insistence that she was a toxic abuser that made me wonder about her side of events and message her. I’ll update!

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BlingLoving · 05/12/2019 12:19

the really weird thing is that I was convinced I'd read this post before. Recently. At first I thought you were updating from an earlier post but it's all familiar. I think this really is a pattern for some weird loser men and that you have had a lucky escape here!

Deadsouls · 05/12/2019 12:24

Of course she was a 'toxic abuser'....according to him. It's the crazy ex narrative. He's the victim, it's never him, it's her fault etc.
Actually these kinds of people drive the people they are involved with a little 'mad', with all the behaviour you experienced and their crazy making. Because actually they are the toxic abuser!
He'll have done to her what he's done to you. The MO doesn't variate.

Thelnebriati · 05/12/2019 12:28

Open this link and search for 'The Player'.
Lundy Bancroft - why does he do that?
tinyurl.com/LundyWhy

Notwiththeseknees · 05/12/2019 12:30

I wouldn't bother meeting her tbh. Why would you care about what he said/she says..... move on, he's not worth the bus fare.

stophuggingme · 05/12/2019 12:44

@dodgeballchamp you are “intrigued?”

Forgive me for being blunt but I think you are not being honest with yourself about your motives for meeting her or quite possibly subconsciously you are unaware that this isn’t actually the end of the relationship as he will warn you to be searching for reasons why and suck you back in

If this man is gone from your life - which he has done of his own accord in order to hook you back in for more abuse, so meeting his ex is actually foolish and what he wants - then why would you want him back in based on his treatment of you? Unless you are either holding onto his coat tails or you are actually now looking for ways to understand and revive the whole thing because you are caught up in the phase of a push and pull relationship which is exactly one of the features of an abusive person.

He’s dropping crumbs and you are hoovering them up

Just leave him and his ex alone

Cobblersandhogwash · 05/12/2019 12:49

He sounds like an emotional vampire.

They need big emotional responses from people to sustain them.

They get these by going full on in the beginning. It is always ott affection, adoration etc.

Then you reciprocate because it's very seductive and lovely to have someone apparently feel that way about you.

Then they shut it off. Perhaps to generate more emotion from you or to end it and move on to the next victim.

You see, the first flush of emotion is very powerful to them. Like your first coffee or fag. The first hit is the strongest.

I would bin him totally. Block him. And watch out for men that are full on from the beginning. It's a common behaviour

Mmpip · 05/12/2019 12:58

Don't waste any time with this Moron. Having coffee with his Ex is just prolonging the misery of this awful relationship. Keep him blocked and your door shut so this loser doesn't waste any more of your precious time. You'll end up with a life of misery and drama if you give him another chance...!!!

TheSecondMrsAshwell · 05/12/2019 13:32

I guess meeting the ex could do a couple of things - the ex might be able to forewarn the OP of the next stage in this nut's cunning plan - "he'll try and hoover you back in by sending you a basket of kittens" or some such nonsense.

And the ex might get comfort from knowing it wasn't her - it was him and she's the normal one.

dodgeballchamp · 05/12/2019 19:03

Hi all. I can see why people are warning against meeting the ex but I can assure you I don’t want this guy back. I did meet her and it was actually cathartic for both of us I think. It seems he did display many of the same behaviours with her as he did with me - this is only snippets but she said if she voiced things she was unhappy with her make out she was being manipulative, he became co dependent on her and didn’t like her seeing her friends, asked her not to discuss him with her friends, blamed her for him almost cheating on her, re-imagined conversations they’d had to the point that she had to start writing down things he told her so she could show him when he started gaslighting, lies about money and had to borrow from her, shamed her for her sexual preferences, he even lied about the way they broke up. He also told me he hadn’t spoken to her since they split but she said he was still attempting to contact her up until six weeks ago (the time he met me) and was refusing to pay her money he owed her in what she thinks was a way to keep her talking to him. He’s clearly a bullet well dodged

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RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 19:08

It's good of you to update OP!
Sounds as if the meeting might help you to process things and move on?
Certainly it's good to be validated, to know that others found him problematic.

Miriamkiwi · 05/12/2019 19:40

Hell of a dick! You've had a lucky escape, of course, guys who do this kind of thing like to play a "long game" he could possibly keep picking you up to drop you until you get "groomed" in a sense ( anyone is susceptible to narcissistic abuse, anyone who says otherwise is just oblivious), he's trying to dominate you and make you a lesser partner in the dynamic, if he gets back in touch, don't reply it's a kick in the balls for assholes like that. Don't expend any more mental energy on it, all the best! 😉

Pinkbonbon · 05/12/2019 19:50

In future, the second people start talking about really liking you early on, run. It isn't normal behaviour. They don't even know you so they are obviously love bombing you.

You definitely dodged a bullet. But you let it go much further than it would have if you'd been listening to your gut from the offset. Listen to your gut next time.

Tashy22 · 05/12/2019 19:51

I am glad you met his ex ... I had ap narcissist in my life and he would lie about all the women he was running after. he used to call me crazy and suggested that it was my imagination. everything was extreme for him. and I would believe him each time and apologise for imagining things.. I tried to talk to a couple of my friends but they didn't believe me. they thought he was great. then one day I worked up the courage to chat with an ex of his (crazy, stalker, etc was how he described her).. and she validated all my doubts. that helped me get over the what I can only call trauma bond.. now I am far from him.. and relaxed..

hipinjipin · 05/12/2019 23:13

Unstable guy ! You deserve better. Make yourself scarce !!

Stillsexystillsingle · 06/12/2019 07:05

I'm not sure if it's gaslighting but it's definitely narcissism, narcissists all follow this bizarre pattern of idealise, devalue and discard and then they do something called hoovering which is desperately trying to get you back, only to devalue and discard you again, and so on and so on until you find the strength to walk away for good. Get yourself away from him now would be my advice !

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