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Stealing DP

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declutter2020 · 30/11/2019 10:33

First time anything like this has happened. Has been a great step-dad to my DD and been together 6 years.

I have just found out that he has been withdrawing money from my accounts (credit and debit). We have a joint account for bills but the rest of the money is ours from what we earn. His wages have been a bit low as he is self employed, but has happened before and we discussed and I gave him some and worked out a reduced budget for a while.

About £300 over the last few weeks and no we can't afford it and it is a lot of money for us. Beer and fags I think so no drugs or sex stuff, but still it's the lying and deceit I can't get over.

My ExH was an alcoholic and worry I'm making the same mistakes all over again, or maybe I'm slightly blinded because of my past.

I asked him to stay with a friend for the weekend but I miss him and do want him back but not sure if I can forgive him.

I gave up booze for various reasons (not alcoholic but health and well-being) so no gin emojis please as it's hard enough right now to abstain.

Do I give up and ask him to leave permanently or do I give it a go and see if I can get over the trust issues?

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Goldenchildsmum · 30/11/2019 12:59

I'd be really interested to know his thought process. Perhaps he thought you wouldn't check the receipt? So he could get those purchases past you and not have to pay for them himself?

You'll never be able to give him your cards again. Because you'll always wonder

  • it's such a shame. After all - he only had to ask!
Elieza · 30/11/2019 13:08

That sucks op. Sorry you are going through this.

You do need to talk and see what’s going on. Does he have another bank account of his own? Is that what he usually lives out of but with the reduced work payments he’s emptied it?

I’d absolutely take your cards off him and change the PIN numbers today. He’s broken your trust and doesn’t deserve them. If he pays direct debits for the house find out if they are all ok as if some have been missed you will need to know this or your car insurance or something could be cut off. You need to get all the info from him about everything that’s going on.

However I’m more concerned about the drinks and fags. Sounds like he’s turned to them when stressed. Question is how long for. He could have been drinking and hiding it for a while? Perhaps that’s what the money went on? Debts he owed friends for booze and a large carry out that’s in his works van half consumed as he’s secretly been boozing on a daily basis as he’s a functioning alcoholic? £300 is a lot of money. That’s weeks of booze and fags.

I don’t know if I could take him back. I’d never date a smoker to start with as i think it’s life threatening to them and disgusting but if this is a one off and you never give him the cards again then it can’t happen again. It’s like leaving cream cakes in my fridge. I’m not allowed to each such things but I will eat them if you go out, and worry about the consequences later! I love them so much. And that’s prob what he felt. The booze was on the shop shelf He had a way of paying for it. Bad decision time. We’ve all done it. But if you are to stay together he needs to fix the problem which is turning him to alcohol and fags. The job. If this one isnt paying he needs to work out what to do. Doing nothing and burying his worries in addictive substances while going things will change but doing nothing to encourage more business is not the answer.

He needs to get his arse up to an AA meeting and get some support. And get another job or do something to bring money in again.

Ilovethekitties · 30/11/2019 13:11

@declutter2020 second chances are up to you to give OP.

I would find out where the money went first. £300 is a lot to just disappear into thin air.

category12 · 30/11/2019 13:14

You can easily spend £300 on fags and booze - have you seen the cost of cigarettes these days?!

The problem is, he just felt entitled to take the money for himself and leave his family short.

CatToddlerUprising · 30/11/2019 13:19

I don’t think I could forgive this- effectively he has stolen not just from you, but your daughter too.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 30/11/2019 13:26

£300 on fags and booze knowing it's going to leave you short especially at this time of year!

Sorry but you already propped him up before when his business has failed to provide him/your family an adequate income and this is how he repays your kindness? Personally I think he's already used up his chances. No, you haven't failed, you're a nice, trusting person who's had the piss taken out if you. I'm so sorry you deserve better than this Flowers

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 30/11/2019 13:31

Agree with category12, it's his entitled attitude.

ysmaem · 30/11/2019 13:37

OP hes stolen £300. Stole. Please leave him, he's sly and unworthy.

declutter2020 · 30/11/2019 13:37

He's just left (came round to clean whilst I was out, nice that he is trying to do something to make up). I asked why he didn't tell me and he said he was ashamed at having to ask for money again. Knows he's a piece of shit etc... he seemed genuinely sorry and he said he was always going to pay it back and he just was feeling so crap and low.

His DS lives with us as well so it's not just kicking DP out is DSS as well (full time).

I think (I know you will all slap your heads and go not another one) but I will take him back. HOWEVER everything will change (and by that I mean me) no more doormat and I promise you all (and myself) one sniff of something not right and then he's out.

I do think people mess up when things get too much and a second chance for my lovely family unit should be given? No?

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Branleuse · 30/11/2019 13:48

Not trusting someone who steals from you and lies to you, is not "having trust issues". He cannot be trusted.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/11/2019 13:53

You are also the architect of your own emotional demise here. You're supposed to dig your way out of the hole he has dug for you, not grow flowers in it!.

Yes he is a piece of shit and probably in all likelihood not all that different from your ex either in terms of overall character. You managed to get rid of that man thankfully though and you can do so again.

How are you going to change your behaviours exactly and become less doormat like?. Changing even one aspect of our own characters is hard enough and your doormat behaviours could be deeply ingrained and perhaps learnt from your own mother. Your current resolve could well wain and this is not a good example to be setting your DD either.

In answer to your last question no re second chances because they more often than not become a third, fourth, fifth etc. And not when it comes to money, he actively stole from you and in turn your child.

If this is food shopping you are sending him out for, why not get it delivered?.

Why is your relationship bar so very low here?. That is a question you should be asking yourself now. All this now is indicative of your own boundaries in relationships being shit and this gives men like this one a chance at all.

Did he make you feel sorry for him and/or look at you with hang dog eyes or something?. His son is also not your problem ultimately, he is someone who is also unrelated to you who lives with you.

This man is NOT worth it and he is also a terrible example to your DD. Would you want her to be in a relationship with someone like this as an adult, currently you are showing her that he is still acceptable to you on some level. You and your DD are a lovely family unit as it is. Is this really what you want to teach her about relationships?. Its no legacy to leave her.

Bluntness100 · 30/11/2019 13:53

I can't believe you'll take back a man who steals from you to buy booze and fags. This is as low as it gets op.

Where is your self esteem? Your self respect? This man steals from you. And not even for a good reason, if there is such a thing, he steals from you because he wants a drink or whatever. Then he sits there drinking it, or smoking his fags, knowing he stole from you to have them

How could you even contemplate being with someone who treats you like this? Who puts his desire to enjoy a beer, over any form of respect for you?

Goldenchildsmum · 30/11/2019 13:53

I think people can change, yes. Of course they can. Usually people return to default after a while and the change doesn't 'stick' - but you could give it a shot. If that makes you feel happier than kicking him out

TowelNumber42 · 30/11/2019 13:55

You feel it is right to give him a second chance so go for it.

I'm interested in your own personal second chance. How are you going to stop being a doormat? What's your plan? When do you get walked on and how will you resist? It's a big thing to change overnight. I'm not saying you can't do it, quite the opposite. It's just that you need a clear plan, to know your weak spots, recognise the dynamic starting, know exactly what you will do to shut down doormat behaviour, know how you will react to others being shocked and disappointed at how you have become "mean", "difficult" and of course "selfish" and "punishing".

Goldenchildsmum · 30/11/2019 13:55

I think my main concern here is the role model you are for your DD.

She's your priority

mummmy2017 · 30/11/2019 14:01

Can he replace the money by taking on more work?
I really do think you need to talk to him, go over your budgets and see if he spends lots and what on.
I say this because I think your giving him a chance.
But I would warn him you f he spends so much as a pounder from your account without your day so, he is out .

Aquamarine1029 · 30/11/2019 14:22

He's fucked you over, doing so without a second thought about you or your daughter, just to buy booze and cigarettes.

He's not sorry he stole from you, he's sorry he got caught.

I wonder why your standards are so low that you're willingly exposing your child to a feckless, thieving alcoholic. He should be out on his arse.

declutter2020 · 30/11/2019 14:39

For all of you saying leave, I understand what and why you are saying that but after 6 years and my DD and DSS (who I love like my own, which after that amount of time is the way it should be) it's not so easy just to up and leave, after what is only one mistake with an understandable reason behind it, not a great reason but at least one and not just to fuck you over.

For everybody else, thank you and I am taking on board what you say. I started out super strong (because of my previous relationship) but then things slip and now I do more than my fair share of laundry, cleaning, cooking (but I like my cooking so that's fine). But it's just easier to just get it done, than getting somebody else to do it, but you turn around and all of a sudden your doing the lions share again and nobody is ever going to fight to do more of the mundane household tasks but they should as it's fair. One of the many things that will change! I think I will have to go back to dating finances where one buys/cooks one week and the other the next as I do seem to be responsible for most meal plan/shopping.

We are doing loads of renovation work as well which he is doing himself, so he's not all bad and generally quite helpful, kind and sweet. I honestly think he just made a very poor judgement choice and fucked up

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Ringdonna · 30/11/2019 14:49

£300 on fags and booze is not a lot, we were spending £1200 a month until we quit.

Ilovethekitties · 30/11/2019 14:56

@ringdonna whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???????? £1,200 a month on booze and fags??? I assume you mean champagne and cigars. Jesus

Clymene · 30/11/2019 15:07

Yeah, thieves deserve second chances. Try going to tesco and knocking £300 worth of booze and seeing how that goes down Hmm

He has crossed a line and you have shown him that's okay. You will forgive him lying and stealing. And he didn't steal from you and your child (and his) because he had a big bill to pay, because his car needed fixing, because the washing machine was broken, he stole to buy booze and fags.

You're being a mug OP.

And if anyone is breaking up your happy home, it's him, not you.

declutter2020 · 30/11/2019 15:07

It wasn't every month for the last several years, it has only happened over the last 3-4 weeks and I have had the strength to go through all the statements, ahead of the chat tomorrow, and it's £270, which is approx £67 a week. Cigs are £10 a packet, as a recent ex smoker (this time lucky) I know how hard it is to quit, how expensive they are and how when you are stressed you smoke more, clearly another reason why he didn't want to ask for money or even discuss it as I have given up both recently (in the last 2 months) and although not judgy or preachy, I have felt amazing and that's hard not to tell your nearest and dearest about.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/11/2019 15:13

"all of you saying leave, I understand what and why you are saying that but after 6 years and my DD and DSS (who I love like my own, which after that amount of time is the way it should be) it's not so easy just to up and leave, after what is only one mistake with an understandable reason behind it, not a great reason but at least one and not just to fuck you over".

The above from you is the sunken costs fallacy in action and that basically causes otherwise good people like you to keep on making poor relationship decisions. What you forget here is that the damage has already been done.

The idea of sunk cost states that an investment of money, time or energy must not necessarily influence your continued investment of money, time or energy. The past investment is “sunk” into the endeavour and cannot be recouped. It is gone. Ongoing investment will not resuscitate what is gone when the investment is a bad one.

People get bogged down by focusing on their sunk costs.
There are two ways to understand this process, both involving avoidance. One is an avoidance of disappointment or loss when something doesn’t work out. When a relationship doesn’t succeed, especially after a long period, especially after many shared experiences and especially after developing a hope that the relationship would be a good one, it is a loss. It is a loss of what might have been and an acknowledgement that a part of one’s life has been devoted to this endeavour.

Another angle to evaluate is that focus on “sunk cost” creates a distraction from one’s inner truth. The sentence often goes like, “I’ve already invested too much (you write of being together 6 years), so I can’t notice my thoughts and feelings that are telling me to end or change this relationship.”

This is a type of insidious defense against noticing yourself. You enter into a neglectful relationship with yourself which divorces you from your inner thoughts and the quiet feelings that might guide you in your life. In other words, thinking about what already has been may prevent you from deciding what you want your life to be.

The key is to clear away the distractions to rational and emotional clarity. Getting stuck in your “sunk cost” prevents you from this clarity, whether in your relationships or your investments!

re your comment:-
"We are doing loads of renovation work as well which he is doing himself, so he's not all bad and generally quite helpful, kind and sweet".

Your relationship bar is so very low here that it is practically non existent. So because he is doing some renovation work he is not all bad, dearie me. Its a really low bar you've set yourself here isn't it, you may as well have MUG tattooed on your forehead as well as him using you to wipe his feet on. And I daresay too he would not be at all forgiving of you if the shoe was on the other foot.

He does not need to further mess you about, you're doing that now to your own self.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/11/2019 15:15

What are you going to say to him in this chat tomorrow?. And why tomorrow as well?.

Would you want your DD to be in a relationship with someone like this man?. What are you teaching her about relationships here, the same old rubbish that you were perhaps yourself taught?.

Jaxhog · 30/11/2019 15:23

Only you can know whether this is enough for you to leave.

However, he needs to understand that this was a serious breach of trust. It isn't a matter of you getting past it, he needs to take action to earn your trust back. And that action has to hurt him a little - perhaps his masculine pride? I would start by taking any access to your accounts away from him immediately, and then agreeing how he will be paying you back.

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