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Pregnancy marriage brakedown

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alexricardo · 29/11/2019 16:56

Hello, I am a man, 31, my wife is pregnant with our first child (15 weeks). Before we found out we were on the verge of splitting up, everything had broken down and we could barely speak to each other. Finding out gave me the obvious joy at looking forward to being a Father and also hope that this could unite us under a common goal and perhaps start to repair some of the damage we had done to one another. Unfortunately this has not being the case and we are arguing as much as before, I have felt strongly that my wife is controlling, manipulative, cruel and even sometimes emotionally abusive, I know I have many flaws and that my behavior has not always been as considerate as it should be, and as we got together and got married very quickly we found things out about each other as time went on that we didn't necessarily like. I have given up a lot of my my lifesytle and hobbies, interests and friends to please how my wife wants to me to live. I don't impose any conditions on what she does, where she goes or who with, and encourage her to pursue things and people she enjoys, I hoped to receive something similar in return but this hasn't transpired and I have to practically beg to be allowed to do anything that doesn't involve her (example, going to a friends to play games, going hillwalking with my Dad). I have absorbed a lot because I really want things to work out and i want more than anything to be with my child when they arrive and god forbid ending up in the misery of divorce and courts and fighting to see them.

After our recent regular falling out and not speaking to each other for a day my wife sent me the following email while at work saying this is what she wants, it is hard to read and struggling to know what to do, I care deeply about my wife but the love and both sides has long faded:

THE LETTER:

I spoke to the women at the maternity class and they said, although none of their partners were having such a strong reaction as you seem to be , it can be hard for new dads to know what to do to help and one girl said she had written her boyfriend a letter as she found it difficult to say things. All of them talked about how hard being pregnant is and how the emotional roller coaster is so difficult to manage. I am not in a position to change at the moment as I am at the beck and call of my hormones. I can't keep being called the horrible things you say to me and have a healthy pregnancy. I am completely burnt out and feel very alone. I don't know what you are trying to achieve - but if it's to break my spirit then you have done it. I am completely broken and have nothing more to give.

I know there is nothing I can do to change you or your thinking patterns. So here is a list of things that I need so that I can try and start feeling healthy again. It may seem overwhelming but if you could start making patterns that incorporate a bit of wife care into your routine then it's possible I will begin to recover. The first half of my long dreamed of pregnancy has been a nightmare and I need, for all of us, that things get better.

We are now a family and now need to think of each other and the baby before making any decisions.

I know you aren't happy and neither am I but I really can't cope just now with dealing with a separation, moving house or sharing custody of a new born. I can't do it. I am begging you for help. I am so tired I don't know what to do. Here's my suggestions:

Give wife a kiss or a cuddle whenever you come into a room e.g. when we are about to have tea or when you come back in from doing something. Kiss should be more than a peck and try to make eye contact.

Help to look after wife’s legs and circulation with oil and rubs

Ask first but touch tummy for 5 minutes a day to show wife and baby that you care

Try to ask smaller questions – not how was your day? Do you have any appointments you’re worried about? Is there any new clothes or things you need to make you more comfortable? Have you read something that is making you concerned?

If wife has an appointment check to see what she is worried about. Ask if there anything you can do to help?

If there is something that you want to do that wife can’t be involved in then check if wife has something else to do or is ok staying in alone. Wife is carrying the burden of pregnancy and cannot physically or emotionally do what she would normally do.

Prompt wife to speak to her friends and family

If wife is quiet or sad looking then try to do the opposite and try to be strong and check that there’s anything you can do

If husband is sad or depressed text wife and say you are feeling worried about x

Make an hour a week to think how you can help prepare for babies arrival e.g. clearing room in the house/ organising things better/ preparing yourself for wife’s changing emotions/ saving money to buy things for baby/ your changing lifestyle and let wife know that you are thinking about these things.

Tell your friends that wife is pregnant and you will be seeing them when you can but not as often

Avoid saying things like controlling/ manipulative as this is your perception and is not necessarily the case and is extremely painful for wife to hear. This is also not the perception of wife’s other friends and family.

Plan how to live on our joint income and not get into debt with added baby expenses

If you cannot fit exercise into your day in the way you used to then you need to work out how will you feel physically fit in a way that fits into family life?

Be responsible for all things driving test related e.g. getting adequate lessons, buying L Plates etc.

Offer to hoover the car and help maintain it.

Avoid reflecting on past injuries and try to look to the future and the family you would like to have.

Every day of pregnancy brings challenges and this is the reality of now so future thinking is only helpful if it's in relation to what is happening now. We can deal with birth/ anti natal classes nearer the time the health of mum and baby is the most important thing right now.

Try to be flexible. Things are changing all the time. Even plans we made recently may need to change.

I have thought long and hard what to do in return but I know all you want is more space and to be left alone to do what you want to do.

Sadly this is not feasible. We got ourselves into this situation and we need to work a way through it. We can't opt out, even if we'd like to. It will be hard for you to adjust to as you value you freedom so highly, just like I do, but we will have to give up some of our independence for the good of the family and that's just the way it is.

I'm sorry it's ended up like this. I think we are both pretty decent people and to be causing each other all this pain is really sad.

END OF LETTER

We live away from our families and I have no close friends here, I am very close to my family and we communicate and I ask their advice and explain as honestly as I can what is happening on both sides.

On showing them this email my sisters were appalled and agreed about the controlling/ manipulation and that I shouldn't accept this behavior. But i understand they love me a great deal, know i'm in pain and may not have the objectivity.

I am despeate from some honest, impartial opinions as I am at my wits end and so miserable I cant think straight and I also don't deal with confrontation very well so when we disagree and agree I tend to get shell-shocked and either freeze and say nothing or just shout back horrible things. Later after a chance to calm down I try to re-engage calmly and constructively but because my wife works a little different from me she says its over and I need to move on so I don't get her to understand how I feel.

I'm going to try so hard to do all the things my wife asks for in the email, I may fall short but i'll try, i'm so mentally exhausted i'm not sure I have what it takes,

Anyone who has took the time to read all this a million thank you's, i'm sorry for taking up all this space I just don't know how to deal with anything anymore.

OP posts:
inlectorecumbit · 29/11/2019 17:44

That is a very controlling list of do's and do not's. It's how she wants the pregnancy and rest of your lives to be- but it you that haas to make all the changes and compromises.
You are being set up to fail.
You admit the love has faded, she admits she is not happy.
If there was no pregnancy would you be staying together? Doesn't sound like it.
You are both miserable perhaps you would be better parents and even friends apart.

puds11 · 29/11/2019 17:50

What names are you calling her?

madcatladyforever · 29/11/2019 17:51

A baby never glues a couple together. You need a very strong relationship in order to survive having a family.
If things are bad now it would be better to end it before the baby is affected by all the rows and nastiness.
You will all manage.

Menora · 29/11/2019 18:09

He’s calling her controlling and manipulative right?

You not driving probably isn’t helpful. Even if you are separated

I don’t like this list for a few reasons

Not the first part about being more present and meeting her emotional needs such as asking if she is ok, out of context this is a good request and open communication

But when the list moves on it essentially says stop asking for any freedom because I have none now so nor do you. Also I do not have to make any changes, the one thing I think you want, I completely you want I refuse to give to you so don’t ask for it. And don’t question me because no one believes that I am the issue

Personally I think this relationship is toxic for a baby to grow up around

Anessia · 29/11/2019 18:09

Ignore the idiotic women here who will advise you to divorce. Don’t divorce your wife even if things are crap right now. A baby needs both its biological mother and father.

Be firm with her and stand your ground and don’t let yourself be treated as a doormat. If she starts shouting or provoke you then simply leave the room rather than escalate things.

From her letter it sounds like your wife is hurt and yes while she’s manipulative and controlling - it’s not coming from her nastiness but from her pain and from wanting attention from you. She wants you to be a certain way but you’re not a robot.. she simply sounds like an immature woman rather than a cruel one. Try be more attentive to her in the right moments but also know that if you follow her every order then she’ll lose respect for you.

Menora · 29/11/2019 18:15

It’s not idiotic to tell someone that they are free to leave someone they don’t love anymore, are not happy with and to just tolerate bad behaviour because a baby is involved. That isn’t how life works.

Doesn’t sound like she has any respect for him, she’s made it very clear that it’s her way only. Absolutely no compromises. Which is breaking her own marriage vows. Pregnancy is no excuse to behave badly. And babies still have 2 biological parents even if they don’t live in the same house - one of them doesn’t suddenly cease to exist

OneDay10 · 29/11/2019 18:17

She is toxic, absolutely toxic. She is forcing you to show her affection which is the wrong way to do it. This entire letter is about her and her wants. Toxic.
Do you think shes going to get any better? Shes going to become 1000x worse and the guilt you will feel then will make it very hard to leave.

Have you even sought any counselling as a couple?

Honestly I think its over. It has become incredibly toxic and a baby is not going to solve anything, it is never the answer to a relationship that is over.

Decide what YOU want to do. You can still completely be in the baby's life. Two happy homes are better than one toxic one.
She sounds so controlling it's almost abusive.

puds11 · 29/11/2019 18:21

Wtf Anessia are you for real?

AlexaAmbidextra · 29/11/2019 18:25

You were barely speaking but we’re still having sex. How bizarre.

firstimemamma · 29/11/2019 18:46

She sounds awful op. Definitely not normal behaviour. That letter is way too long! I think the fact that the bit about what she's going to do on her part is one sentence long says it all. The bit where she specifies about the kissing ('with eye contact' etc) is especially weird!

No real advice but I definitely don't envy your position. I'm afraid once the child is born there will only be further strain on things.

I hope you find a solution soon.

firstimemamma · 29/11/2019 18:52

" if husband is quiet or sad looking then try to do the opposite and try to be strong and check that there’s anything you can do

If wife is sad or depressed text husband and say you are feeling worried about"

It doesn't seem fair this way round, does it? It's definitely not fair the way it originally was either! You're both equally responsible for communicating your feelings and offering support.

She's being demanding to place it all on you.

Span1elsRock · 29/11/2019 18:52

Having a baby will test the best of relationships, OP, let alone ones that are having issues.

That list is truly appalling. I would suggest writing one for yourself, and what you need to feel loved/appreciated and giving it back. And say you BOTH need to make an effort for this to work.

StripeyTopRedLips · 29/11/2019 18:56

Wow, if that letter is any indication of your overall dynamic and the way she treats you then I would say you need to end things, walk away, be an involved father but this relationship is not healthy. It made my blood run cold reading it.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 29/11/2019 19:15

Wow. That's quite a list. Without knowing your relationship though and your personalities it's hard to say whether she is controlling or not.

It's clear she wants you to take an active interest in the pregnancy. So you might feel interested but not show it, and if she has complained about this before and you havent changed then it could be seen as a positive she is asking you for specifics around what she needs eg asking her how she is feeling about an appointment. If you've shown a normal level of interest (eg saying something like 'youve got a midwife appointment tomorrow havent you - hope it goes well') and she is complaining because its not specific enough or you havent asked her any questions or something, then that's a lot more extreme. So in short it's difficult to know if she is just very frustrated and having to point out things in detail otherwise you wont do anything, or if she is very controlling and trying to micro manage your responses to the pregnancy in minute detail.

With the level of detail and refusal to accept any level of change herself, I'd guess the latter, but only you know.

Bottom line is childbirth and the baby stage can break the strongest of marriages so, I'm sorry to be harsh, if things are this bad at the moment then they wont work going forward.

I would suggest looking into separating and also getting joint counselling- even if you split, if you can communicate better without fighting this will help

Asli2020 · 29/11/2019 19:17

You have every right to leave and support her from a distance during the pregnancy. What a strange, mechanical, rigid way to ask for support.
Maybe suggest couple counselling as you are both unhappy and a baby will also exacerbate you're frustrations with one another.

Just remember a pregnancy does not mean you are tired to her forever and you're wishes are irrelevant.

stucknoue · 29/11/2019 19:17

Try counselling, it's worth's go isn't it?

category12 · 29/11/2019 19:27

How much truth is there in what she says about your "strong reaction" and "horrible things" you've said?

Overall it doesn't sound like you're a good match. If you wouldn't be together but for the pregnancy, then you shouldn't be together.

underthebridgedowntown · 29/11/2019 19:55

She sounds like she doesn't want to make any effort to communicate, but for you to be a mind reader, and do all the asking about how she is so she doesn't have to assert herself. She is not being fair.

Wanting attention is fine. Wanting someone else to anticipate all the things that are going on in your head is not fair. I'm sorry OP - she wants the moon on a stick.

Write her a letter back, and consider joint counselling if you're going to try and stay. Ultimately, unless she is willing to make some effort, sooner or later your relationship will end.

DM1209 · 29/11/2019 20:16

If a woman had posted stating that her husband had made these demands from her, the chorus of LTB would be deafening!!!!

OP, I'm with your sisters, your wife is an emotional leach and this pregnancy is merely her excuse for her unreasonable behaviour!! Spending your life walking on eggshells, 'kiss wife whenever you enter room, make eye contact!!' is not what anyone deserves. You will never find a point where you're happy because you're not on an equal footing.

I understand, you want your family intact but a dysfunctional family, unhappy parents and toxic environments are not the ingredients for a healthy family.

If you want to make a go of this, attempt couples counselling and find a way to he heard and to be counted. You matter too and if you were my brother I would be doing everything I could to support you and her through this situation but not at the expense of your wellbeing and happiness.

Finally, she is pregnant, not dying. There is no need for all of this 'I want, me, me, me because I'm pregnant' - I have carried and given birth to 3 children, never once did I use them as an excuse to be a vile controlling ***.

category12 · 29/11/2019 20:22

DM1209, the vast majority of responses have been to consider leaving. But never let the facts get in the way. Hmm

Ilovethekitties · 29/11/2019 20:38

She sounds utterly exhausting OP. How long have you been married for?

MsPepperPotts · 29/11/2019 21:23

No wonder you mentally and physically exhausted.
It's her way or the highway.
Your sisters are absolutely right...she is manipulative, controlling and emotionally abusive.

Nothing you have done in the past or will do in the future will ever be good enough for someone like this.
You seriously need to think whether you want to risk your own mental health and wellbeing trying to make this person happy totally on her terms.
She has absolutely no respect for you as a person. You are there to facilitate her life at the expense of your own happiness.
Unfortunately she is going to hold this pregnancy and baby over your head like the sword of damocles.
She is not bedridden and you are not her carer.

People do not need to be joined at the hip to have a healthy/practical and loving relationship...unfortunately this relationship is none of those things.

SpicyRibs · 29/11/2019 22:13

@MsPepperPotts Nailed it imo.

Sorry OP, this sounds like an exceptionally tough situation for you. There doesn't not appear to be any 'give' from her side, seemingly it's all take take take. You can't maintain a relationship like that (or at least one that would give you any semblance of happiness). Unless she suddenly gains insight into her behaviour I can't see any future together, sorry. :(

PurpleDaisies · 29/11/2019 22:21

Wow. It’s hard to believe anyone would behave like that.

Be responsible for all things driving test related e.g. getting adequate lessons, buying L Plates etc.

Offer to hoover the car and help maintain it

These are very odd things to put in a letter like that.

FeckaDecka · 29/11/2019 22:28

Write one back...