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Mental health and strained family relationships

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 16:35

I’m facing a bit of a situation and I’m not really sure how to tackle it, so I’d be really grateful for some collective Mumsnet wisdom, advice and guidance. As in most situations, there’s a looooong back story, but so as not to bore you to death, I’ll try to give a potted version.

My own childhood was pretty average, I was fed, clothed, had a secure roof over my head, had family holidays, etc, but the family home was a pretty loveless place and I was never made to feel special, cherished or appreciated (quite the opposite). I was groomed and sexually abused from the age of 12 by a much older man (in a position of authority) and his friends. I became pregnant at 16, and my DS was born when I was 17. I’m over 50 now, so DS is grown up, married and has a daughter of his own. He doesn’t know his father because he disappeared before I could even tell him I was pregnant.

Adult life hasn’t always been easy for me….I’ve suffered many periods of poor mental health, I have crushingly low self-esteem (all those early years of abuse have made me crave the attention of men, but believe that my body/sex is all I have to offer), I’ve had a number of bad long-ish term relationships (never abusive relationships, though, more that I’ve picked the wrong men, alcoholics, possessive, emotionally unavailable, etc), I’ve never really been able to put down roots for any length of time, money has always been tight and I’ve moved house and job more times than I care to remember. Throughout this, though, I always put my DS first, doing my very best to ensure he felt safe, secure, loved, supported and valued. We were always very close, I think I was (am) a good mom and, despite him not having the best, most stable start in life, I brought him up to be a good and kind man; he has a great job, loads of close friends, a lovely family and home of his own, and strong values and ethics. I’m very proud of him and the man he’s become.

My parents are elderly and quite infirm. They’re difficult, narrow-minded and judgemental, my DF especially, and I have (in the past) clashed with him quite badly. I have one much older brother who I don’t really know very well. My younger brother sadly died a few years ago. Other than the clashes with my DF, there have been no major fallings-out or arguments in the past and it’s all perfectly amicable and friendly when we do see each other, but it’s safe to say that I don’t have a close and loving relationship with either my parents or my brother. I make a flying visit to my parents once a week (more out of FOG than me actually wanting to see them, if I’m honest), and I see my brother a few times a year (birthdays, Christmas, etc), but none of them ever bother to keep in touch with me outside of these occasions, no phone calls, texts, visits, etc. My brother, however, is very close to my parents (he’s the ‘golden child’), so they do keep in regular touch.

My MH has been very fragile for many years and I admit that I was guilty of isolating myself from people for a long period of time (still do, to some extent). During that hellish time it was all I could do to get myself to work each day, when all I really wanted to do was to sleep, binge eat, stare mindlessly into space…..or die. My parents and brother have no idea that I have these problems with my MH, and I really don’t want them to know…..they’re the kind of people who don’t ‘believe’ in that kind of thing, they simply wouldn’t understand, they would judge me and I know they would view it as a weakness on my part. That’s just how they are. My DS also didn’t know about my MH problems until quite recently, but he still doesn’t know the full extent of how bad things have been for me. I really don’t want to burden him with worrying about me!

In fact, I did such a good job of slapping on a smile, hiding the extent of my illness and isolating myself that no-one could see how unwell I was and, because I already had such an arms-length relationship with my family, I kind of disappeared under the radar. It’s sad to say, but had I acted on my constant suicidal thoughts, the alert would only have been raised when I didn’t turn up at work.

So, fast forward to now and I feel that I am being cut out of the whole family, even by my DS. It’s like I don’t exist. Plans are made and I’m not invited. I’ve lived at my current address for just over a year and not one of my family members even knows where I live. As in they don’t know my address, or even what part of town I live in. In fact, I’ve lived at 3 different addresses over the past 5 years and no-one from the family has visited me in all that time. I never ever receive phone calls or text messages. I always have to make the first contact.

I’m most hurt by my DS’s actions. He has a 2 year old daughter, my only grand-daughter, who I absolutely adore. I’m a good nanna; I’m reliable, I’m responsible, I’m fun, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m trustworthy. I know that my DGD loves to spend time with me, we have a great fun together! But, unless I specifically make contact and request to see DS, DIL and DGD, I simply never get to see them. The only time I get contacted by them is when I’m needed to babysit. DS & DIL regularly make plans to see my parents (DS is quite close to his grandparents), they regularly make plans to see my DIL’s parents and extended family, they occasionally make plans to see my brother. I only ever find out what they’re doing/where they’ve been when I see posts on Facebook, or when other people tell me. They NEVER make plans to see me. Never. I honestly can’t remember one single time that they’ve specifically made contact with me to arrange a get-together. Get-togethers do happen (infrequently), but only ever when I instigate them.

DS & DIL are moving house soon, and today, I’ve found out that DS has taken his grandfather (my DF) to see their new house. The new house is really close to where I live. Yet not once did DS think that I - his mother - might like to see their new house.

When I do make contact to instigate a get-together, I’m normally told “we can’t see you then because we have plans with (insert whoever here)”. I’ve spoken to DS about this a couple of times; the last time I did, DS acknowledged that he could do better in keeping up with contact but he was of the opinion that I’d not bothered with them either (which is possibly partially true, due to my self-imposed isolation). At the time, I didn’t feel strong enough to argue that I’ve ALWAYS been the one to instigate contact and get-togethers. But, despite the promise to “do better”, it’s still the same. Radio silence. No change at all. Each time I learn that DS, DIL & DGD have visited a family member and I’ve still had no contact from them whatsoever, it breaks my heart. It also sends my MH spiralling down into a dark hole. I truly feel that no-one (other than my amazing partner) would miss me, or even notice that I’d gone.

I really would welcome guidance on how to approach this. I don’t want to force my company onto my DS & DIL, plus my MH problems mean I’m probably not the most sparkling/interesting company anyway. I also can’t talk to him (or anyone) about just how poor my MH is; I find it impossible to talk about it without breaking down (and my parents simply don’t “do” crying). A good friend (who knows about my MH issues, but perhaps doesn’t appreciate how bad things have been) suggested that I hold my nerve and wait for them to contact me…..but I’m terrified that this is the wrong approach and the already shaky bridges will be burned for ever.

Apologies for this being too long and a bit rambly, it’s a total ‘brain-dump’ if I’m honest. There’s so much background and I didn’t want to drip-feed (although I inevitably have).

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 16:37

Apologies for the long post!

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SunsetBoulevard3 · 21/11/2019 16:47

I think it's time to be really honest about how you feel regardless of the consequences. If I were you I would write a card to each member of the family concerned stating how you have been feeling, what a battle things have been for you and how you miss them all. Ask them to include you in future or make more effort. I really don't think hiding how you feel is helping anyone, least of all you.

If they don't respond with kindness and concern, I would say you have to realise that they aren't people who are good for you or have your best interests at heart. Concentrate on the people who do love you and value you, like your partner.

Your son is obviously different. You have to keep trying for the sake of your grandchild, but try and tell your son how you feel. Does he know what happened to you as a child? If not, you need to tell him because he needs to understand you. He needs to make sense of your behaviour when you isolate yourself or aren\t great company.

Have you had any counselling or therapy? If not, it would really help you to have someone to talk to and try to make sense of what has happened and how it has impacted you.
You sound such a strong person and you've done incredibly well to have survived and coped with life in the best way you could. It does sound like you need to learn to love and value yourself, because it's been my experience that unless you love and value yourself, no one else will, sadly.

HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 17:01

@SunsetBoulevard3 thank you so much for replying.

I was just about to delete my post, thinking that noone would reply anyway and also afraid I might hear some advice I couldn't cope with hearing, but your reply is so kind, thank you.

I know you're right in everything you say, but I'm not sure I'm brave enough to open up fully to people. My father, in particular, has no time for MH issues. It could be explained as a generational thing, but I think it's more likely his own narrow-mindedness.

My son is more understanding. I'm really reluctant to outline my childhood abuse to him though. I don't think it's fair for him to know the environment he was born into.

I had a few sessions of counselling, but I ended up being seen in an eating disorders clinic (I have a very disordered relationship with food). The therapist was well-meaning and kind but she wasn't actually a qualified counsellor and she really didn't know how to deal with my disclosures of abuse.

And to be honest, I'd been keeping a very tight lid on my feelings up to that point.... the therapy made me question everything, it probably opened up a can of worms that shouldn't have been opened!

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PleaseHelpM3 · 21/11/2019 17:17

I'm currently listening to the book 'Mental'. It's brilliant. There's a line in it - Are you really depressed, or just surrounded by arseholes?

Of course the answer is it's probably a combination of both, but it made me smile.

Sorry things are so tough OP.

HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 17:30

@17PleaseHelpM3, that did make me laugh! That sounds like a book I'd enjoy!

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Dilkhush · 21/11/2019 17:36

I feel for you, this is very sad.
Could you arrange to meet your DS and give him a version of your post on paper to read and think about? It might need a bit of an edit but not much and you've expressed yourself so well here.

Woollycardi · 21/11/2019 17:54

Gosh that was so painful to read, I'm sorry you have lived it, and survived through what sounds like extremely dark times. This is what I took from what you wrote, I may be way off the mark but some of what you have written has resonated with me:
Firstly, please go back to counselling. It does open a can of worms, and it's bloody painful, but that's intentional and our only way of dealing with the pain is by looking at it head on and staying with it regardless. I have also struggled to put down roots and having long term counselling has really exposed this for me in a necessary way.
Also, it's natural that you want to isolate yourself, this seems like a highly effective coping strategy, but like you say, it's now isolating you from those you want to connect with so is no longer functioning in a healthy way and it's time to address that, which you can also look at in therapy.
Because what you want is face to face contact I would recommend you have a face to face conversation, and try and outline your difficulties to your family, regardless of their response. I would say you might need a therapist to support you with this conversation but that is again your choice. Your intention is to be honest and upfront about your difficulties and what sort of relationship you would like with them, how they take that is entirely in their court. I don't think you son necessarily needs to hear about your childhood abuse, but an admission of your own struggle with mental health might be beneficial for your relationship.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 21/11/2019 18:36

Sorry this has all been so rubbish for you. You've had good advice, and the only things I can add would be to be careful about making yourself too vulnerable with any conversations or communications with your parents about this. I think it's hard for people who haven't lived it to know how damaging it can be to have your honesty rejected, and everything made out to be your fault... Also, maybe consider counselling with SAIVE? They counsel abuse victims and I found them very helpful. Flowers

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 21/11/2019 18:37

Sorry, that gin bottle was flowers on my tablet...

HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 18:46

@36Dilkhush thank you, it was a really hard post for me to write, I try not to think about the past as it makes me too sad, but i thought it was relevant to the current situation. The suggestion of giving my DS an edited version of my first post is definitely one I'll give some thought to, so thank you

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Cyberworrier · 21/11/2019 18:52

Oh gosh, I can see how hurt you are by your family’s actions, it must be particularly stinging given your traumatic upbringing. Were your parents aware of the abuse, at the time or did you ever tell them? I really feel for you carrying so much pain around, must have been incredibly difficult- and impacted your relationships? I second the advice to pursue more counselling, via your GP possibly.
On another note, I wonder if your son views your dad as a surrogate father figure, and that for whatever reasons he feels he ‘needs’ that- or finds it easier? Have you got any close friends who could support you in accessing support or coming up with a plan?
I do think it is worth trying being more open with your family, even if just to say “look, I’d like to see you. When suits you? You could come here or we could do X”. If they like you babysitting, and you like it too, could you suggest going to theirs for a cuppa one Saturday and then staying to babysit if they wanted to go out to Christmas shop or go out for a meal?

Lovemenorca · 21/11/2019 18:52

* I’ve lived at my current address for just over a year and not one of my family members even knows where I live. As in they don’t know my address, or even what part of town I live in. *

Op why on earth haven’t you told your own son? Most people tell close ones when they move. In fact they invite them over! They don’t get pissed off when they don’t visit when they don’t even know where you live

Lovemenorca · 21/11/2019 18:54

* , I’ve never really been able to put down roots for any length of time, money has always been tight and I’ve moved house and job more times than I care to remember. *

I’m sure you were very loving but this must have been extremely difficult for your DS. Did he spend a lot of time with his grandparents?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/11/2019 18:56

You are mired in FOG and this is not altogether surprising after all you have been through to date.

Your parents have not changed since your own childhood which was itself mired in abuse. People from dysfunctional families end up playing roles and yours appears to be one of scapegoat for all their inherent ills. They have and continue to let you down abjectly, you were and remain emotionally neglected by them . This from them also played a role in making you far more vulnerable to be exploited and abused by adults who went onto totally abuse your trust. It is NOT your fault the abuse happened to you and the fault lies entirely with the perpetrators.

NAPAC are certainly worth contacting here and I have provided a link for you napac.org.uk/

You may also want to read and or post on the current "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages.

HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 22:06

@Woollycardi thank you for your reply. I think you're right, I need to get some more counselling. I've been thinking that myself lately. I changed doctors when i moved here last year, and the two GPs at the practice are both older men and both have a very....erm....ummmm......how should I describe it.....pragmatic bedside manner! I'm not sure how empathetic they would be, especially bearing in mind the fact that I'm in floods of tears as soon as I start taking about how I'm feeling. But my choices are (1) to just get on and speak to the current GP or (2) find a new GP.

My son was gutted when i told him how poorly I've been and he was shocked that he hadn't realised. My parents see me so infrequently that they definitely wouldn't know the difference between me being well or not. They know nothing about what's happening in my life and I'm happy for it to stay that way. I've never turned to either of my parents for comfort, even as a child, and i doubt I ever will.

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 22:11

@36SpongeBobJudgeyPants. I think this is why I'm wary of opening up to my parents, my dad especially can't handle any kind of vulnerability and he mocks/looks down on anyone who he considers to be weak. That's what makes it so scary to show them any chink in my armour.

I'll have a look at SAIVE , thank you for that.

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 22:30

@Cyberworrier No, my parents have no idea about the abuse. I have never confided in my parents, and i guess i became more secretive once the grooming/abuse started. My DS & I lived with my parents for the first couple of years (they were very supportive in a practical way, but never an emotional way) and DS has always been close to his grandfather who I'm guessing has been a father figure in his life.

I have a couple of close friends (unfortunately I also let those relationships slide a bit when I couldn't face the world). Only one friend knows the extent of the situation, but she's not local so she can only really offer arms-length support. But she's a fantastic listening ear and i love her to bits.

I do enjoy babysitting (although it's always only after my DGD has gone to bed, so I don't get to see her). I used to be the only babysitter DS & DIL would trust, but i know that they are now asking DILs family to babysit. Another current issue is that the last 2 times I've been asked to babysit, I've not been able to help due to other commitments. It's the first time this has ever happened, I've always jumped at the chance to babysit before. I suspect that DS thinks this is me being awkward or trying to "prove a point" somehow (I'm not, I genuinely have other commitments)

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 21/11/2019 22:34

@Lovemenorca I think you've misunderstood. I've told DS where I live and invited him, DIL & DGD to visit loads of times. But the invite is never taken up and so they've never been here. My parents would never be able to visit as I live in a duplex-style flat and neither of them can manage stairs. They rarely go out anywhere anyway, they're pretty much house-bound.

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HollowTalk · 21/11/2019 22:48

I really feel for you.

Do you ever send your son messages, asking how he is, what he's up to, etc, or just saying something about what you're doing?

I really wouldn't go down the route of ignoring your son in the hope he'll come round. I'd keep it casual, but send messages every now and then.

It wouldn't harm if you sent him a message now asking him and his family to visit over Christmas (offer a few dates) and if he says no, say, "Come on, you've never visited my house and I really miss you. Please can you find a date when we're both free? I would love to see you."

SunsetBoulevard3 · 21/11/2019 23:05

I’m sending you hugs OP. Your life experiences have been shit and my heart goes out to you.
Honestly, find a good counsellor and try to talk to your son about what’s really happened to you. He’s an adult. He ought to know and it’will help him understand you.

Sounds like it’s too late where your parents are concerned. You can start to heal from this, bit by bit. Can you afford to pay for therapy yourself? NHS waiting lists are very long.

mindfulmam · 21/11/2019 23:17

I agree that it sounds as if you've tried hard to hold it all together and so in some ways communication has broken down.
I've had many a conversation in therapy about disclosing small amounts of my struggle with anxiety and overwhelm and she advised just to disclose what I'm comfortable with, to maintain my self respect, start small and rehearse before hand - something like... ' I'd like to see more of you from now on on a regular basis - would this be ok? I'd like to have been more if a part of things in the past but didn't always feel up to it if I was feeling a bit low or stressed ...

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 21/11/2019 23:24

I'm so sorry OP.

I completely support your decision not to go into details with your son - if the bio father isn't on the scene then no child needs to know there were the end result of rape.

However you can tell him that you had a shit childhood and were abused. In fact this could help him in keeping his DC safe through being more aware of grooming tactics etc.

Regarding seeing him, his DW and DC more often I really can't say. Rather than say "Would you all like to come for tea" maybe "I'm out your way this weekend, shall I pop in for a cuppa?" might feel easier for them.

springydaff · 21/11/2019 23:39

My heart rate went up reading your post/s op. You've had a terrible time, I'm so sorry ♥️🌺

Ime of similar struggles and longstanding trauma, my very first port of call was long term therapy. If you had a bad back that seriously limited your life you'd go to a back doctor - it's the same here, it has to be addressed. Can you afford it? Though imo it's an essential investment into your healing: priceless

I'd like to wrap you in a blanket.

Btw I have similar issues with food and also find OA priceless - do have a look and go along, you'll meet many to whom you can relate on a number of levels.

I've also found ACOA a great help in the past - ditto the above.

Take care Flowers

springydaff · 21/11/2019 23:40

PS you sound lovely 🌺

HornsOfADilemma01 · 22/11/2019 09:46

@HollowTalk Do you ever send your son messages, asking how he is, what he's up to, etc, or just saying something about what you're doing?

Being honest, no. The lines of communication have deteriorated so much that this doesn't really happen any more. I've tried to in the past, but my messages are normally read and ignored. I try not to get offended by that because I know he has a very busy life (stressful long-working-hours job, busy social life and a toddler at home).

Also, when my MH is particularly bad, it's really hard for me to make that first move. I almost feel paralysed.

In the past, I've tried to pretend that I've been busy, (e.g., to my parents, "sorry I've not seen you for a 2/3/4 weeks, but I've been doing x/y/z")....but that really couldn't be further from the truth. Apart from work, I do very little. Most evenings and weekends are spent slumped in front of the TV. So I have no real 'excuse' for not communicating with people, other than the fact that I just can't muster the energy to (a) start a message (b) make a call (c) think of anything interesting to speak about

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