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How to approach this with dp

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Flamingnora22 · 14/11/2019 11:55

Bit of background, just gone on maternity leave, baby due in a few weeks, dp has 2 children from previous and one child’s birthday is just after Xmas. Also moved house 2 months ago.

My partner is having a right ole flap about affording Xmas, we owe some money out already £200) and he has written a short but expensive list of presents he wants us to get for his dc. I will just add I want to get the new baby a couple of bits as I’d feel really mean although I know the baby won’t know it’s Xmas - nothing major maybe spend £15 and a first Xmas bauble.

My partner is asking me to take out store cards/loans/apply for credit cards to see us through the Xmas period (he has bad credit) and I really do not want to. Initially I thought it was a good idea but then it dawned on me that it would be me paying this back out of my already reduced income and I don’t really see it’s fair. It’s like his thought process stops at actually obtaining the gifts and paying back is someone else’s problem as it’s not in his name, he hasn’t said this but this is how it comes across. I have been in a bad place debt wise and this year I have knuckled down and paid the majority off and I probably owe about £300-£350 on catalogues (down from about £1700 and credit card debt and other things) and I really don’t want to rack up more debt for the sake of Xmas.

I understand that my dp wants to give the kids an amazing Xmas (as do I) but I just really don’t see it’s feasible with our incomes and circumstances at the minute in time. He works full time and is paying his own debts which doesn’t leave us with a massive amount left over, on top of owing the £200 and then to buy Xmas presents.

I tried approaching it by saying why don’t we give dc1 (7) £x amount For Xmas and then on his birthday £x amount so he can put it towards or buy one of the most expensive items on the list and then it just spreads it a bit for us and takes the pressure off and I was met with a resounding no.

I feel like just saying well you sort it out then and don’t buy anything until the last minute but don’t come crying to me when you’ve got fuck all for them coz you’ve been stalling hoping a bloody lotto win will come in. I wouldn’t actually say it but this is how the tension is at the minute and last thing we need as a couple is to start falling out.

I’ve put A few times in my basket on groupon for dc2 (2) which should be enough for him and I’ve offered to buy some footy boots and a activity table for the kids off my catalogue (£80) and I think that’s me being sensible and reasonable.

Anyone have any ideas on how I can approach this? I’ve been thinking Poundland for Lego bits but I know for a fact my dp won’t approve because it’s not the Lego brand. I just feel like I can’t win.

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Flamingnora22 · 14/11/2019 13:28

I spend as little as possible on myself, rarely treat myself and I have worked hard to get where I am now and I’m not about to let anyone ruin that for me. Happy enough to help me spend it but not so happy to help with repayments.

I’ve sent him a message which he has read and ignored but I’ll let it lie for now but see how it is when he gets home from work coz I’m not having this at all. Not being lead a merry dance in the name of Xmas.

Yes didn’t even consider food, I like to consider myself as quite thrifty and my boy will grow up to appreciate what he is given wether that be brand new or second hand items which are just as good.

I agree with the posters who say it’s an unrealistic expectation of Xmas and completely misses the ‘family’ aspect.

Wow. Found my angry now ha ha ha

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EvelineUK · 14/11/2019 13:38

For my two cents... Some people have no sense of value, and allowing them to bring up their kids the same way is a bad idea... Once kids understand they can't have everything, they value what they have. If your DP won't tighten his belt it's on you to be the grown up and just say no. Otherwise you will end up losing your house and stability. Make your stand while you are still able to.

EvelineUK · 14/11/2019 13:40

Oh and don't get 'angry', get 'Adult' :)

prawnsword · 14/11/2019 13:40

it Is silly to go into debt to play up to the consumer craziness that is Xmas - you can have a wonderful family celebration without adding the stress of debt to it. The thing is with his bad credit he has no choice. Or do you mean he will go borrow cash from relatives himself ? If so let him do that & tell him he will be replying it himself.

Yes when they are eager beavers to help spend it but don’t want to realistically discuss repayment or have any intention to repay you, they are taking the piss

I need to reiterate this - these are not your children. Why does he think it’s appropriate to put your name on credit line here? For HIS kids ? My ex took the piss but even he bought his own kid’s Xmas present.

It sounds like he can only afford one gift each to be honest & he lives this instagram perfect lifestyle in his mind! He sounds Like some out of touch kept housewife

prawnsword · 14/11/2019 13:43

Just say no & laugh when he keeps asking “no darling it’s still a no like last time”

“You don’t stop do you”

“Next time you say no am fining you’re 1 dollar every time you say it” then make a NO JAR so he can visually see his whining is like a child so you will treat him like one. The way he is going there will be enough money in the jar to finance Xmas after all

ArnoldBee · 14/11/2019 13:48

Our 3 children get around £50 each. They have Amazon fire tablets that always get reduced this time of year. They also know anything else they have to save towards.

pog100 · 14/11/2019 13:49

Good, keep that angry. If you don't get this sorted it will destroy the relationship. You are most clearly in the right. He is clearly an idiot with money. I hope he has some compensatory plus points.

Csleeptime · 14/11/2019 13:52

Gosh I thought 100 was a lot for Christmas! He's crazy, you go in to debt to buy food or pay bills if you have to, not to buy presents!

Flamingnora22 · 14/11/2019 13:59

@prawnsword yeah he would borrow from relatives, but I see it as my maternity covers majority of bills and whatever he is choosing to lend (wether it be behind my back, but he’s never lend behind my back before) is still a financial drain to me as I don’t spend hardly anything on myself and anything I have i will put away week on week until I have the money and I don’t see why he should be able to do whatever he likes with the money he earns when I’m not afforded that luxury. I’d rather not spend the money I get on bills but it has to be done!

He doesn’t have access to any of my accounts, not that I have money in there at the minute as I’m still finding my feet as I left for maternity a couple of weeks back so need to rejig a couple of direct debit dates so I don’t miss any payments. This is another thing he doesn’t seem to get, he thinks it’s okay to miss payments for a month if we are having a tight month. Drives me up the wall. Starting to seriously wonder if being a single parent would be easier because it sure sounds like it!!

I’m going to approach a spending limit as someone has suggested. Get the lists out or a catalogue and have the older one circle what gifts and then get these. With birthday being a month after, it’s an idea to ask family for money so he can buy what he wants and I will be smiling on the inside if he doesn’t go straight for a phone.

For the younger I’m going to go to some charity shops and children’s sales. I’m not getting worked up this far on in my pregnancy, I just cannot he bothered with the hassle and stress of it.

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Raphael34 · 14/11/2019 14:00

Is that £200 for a 2 year old?? Wtf is he planning on buying?? I spent £50 on my 2 year old last year and still felt he got too much stuff. And his dc will get presents off his mum too!

Flamingnora22 · 14/11/2019 14:04

Yes I say this to him too! Presents off family members!

I don’t know if this is a contributing factor but I believe his own mother use to move heaven and earth to provide him with what he wanted but surely as an adult now he now knows what a strain this would have been

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fedup21 · 14/11/2019 14:09

My partner is asking me to take out store cards/loans/apply for credit cards to see us through the Xmas period (he has bad credit)

I can see why he’s got bad credit!

Don’t do it

FizzyGreenWater · 14/11/2019 14:10

OP this has got disaster written all over it.

I would absolutely not move a muscle over this - plain talking - you know whay you have such bad credit - it's because you think like this. If you do not calm down, grow up and start learning how to manage money and be financially responsible then I will leave you and you'll have three kids to stress over for Xmas buying all on your own!

The fucking end.

Do not let a man like this condemn you and your child to a life of debt and scraping by.

CandlesAreHere · 14/11/2019 14:11

Don’t allow him to bully or sweettalk you into debt. Work out a budget that you’re comfortable with and stick to it.
Always keep your finances separate from his.
I think you may have a financial bumpy road ahead with him.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 14/11/2019 14:14

£200 for the younger and I’d say at least £350 for the older

That's a ridiculous amount to spend when you're already in debt.

Just keep saying no.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 14/11/2019 14:15

He doesn’t have access to any of my accounts

Thank Christ for that! He's got financial liability written all over him.

Bourbonbiccy · 14/11/2019 14:15

I don't have credit cards and my hubby doesn't use his unless it's used for the insurance you get of purchasing with one and it's paid of straight away (same day).

If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. It is not being a good parent getting yourselves in debt for material items for your children.

He needs to grow up and realise it's not a competition between parents, it's about being the best parent you can be and coparent effectively.

Don't go into debt for him, his children or yours and i certainly would not take a good hard think if I wanted to be someone who was willing to put me and our child in that position.

HundredMilesAnHour · 14/11/2019 14:15

my maternity covers majority of bills

Why are you covering most of the bills? Where's his contribution?? He sounds hopeless with money and you have to bail him out even though your own financial situation is hardly great right now. Please don't let him take you down with him. I'd be giving some serious thought to being a single parent. I honestly couldn't be in a relationship with a man like this.

Bourbonbiccy · 14/11/2019 14:18

i certainly would not take a good hard think if I wanted to be someone who was willing to put me and our child in that position.

Exclude the not, I should read I would take a good hard think

SleepingStandingUp · 14/11/2019 14:33

my maternity covers majority of bills what does he a tually contribute to op?

holidays987 · 14/11/2019 14:33

Agree with the pp that he should not be putting you in this position.

You shouldn't even be considering getting into further debt over Christmas presents. And he should have budgeted for his kids.

There's nothing wrong with saying no. Simply, No I won't be able to take out any loans or credit, I don't want to put myself in that position again. Don't ask again please.

RandomMess · 14/11/2019 14:34

You need to be blunt "This year there is zero point in trying to compete with Ex so let's not bother, spend what we can actually afford and focus on giving them our time instead"

SleepingStandingUp · 14/11/2019 14:34

Also is it just me that thinks spending 350 on one and 200 on the other is really unfair?

Flamingnora22 · 14/11/2019 14:39

The maternity covers them because I have all my bills set to coming out on the first of each month as I have done for years and years and years to ensure these are paid on time, every month and whatever is left was my own and I knew I didn’t have to pay any other bills. I just find it easier to operate this way and it gives me peace of mind knowing once the money hits my account , X amount goes back out over the next few days and it’s done for another month.

I mentioned earlier I need to rejig some of my direct debit dates but this will be so he can pay these as his contribution to the household. He buys the weekly shop each week without fail but as I’m finding my feet with reduced income his bank card is surrendered to me every Friday so I can do the food shop and fuel the car, pay a couple of bills etc so he does contribute. Admittedly not as much as I think he should be but I need to sit down and set up a payment to my account from his (I’ve got it written down how much somewhere) but he is clearing some of his own debts and hopefully when this is paid off early next year it will be more money free for us to start saving or pay whatever we need to.

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Flamingnora22 · 14/11/2019 14:41

@SleepingStandingUp

Yes it is unfair, but his logic is the younger doesn’t really know it’s Xmas which I do kind of agree with but looking at the list difference and what they will have in comparison to each other does tug on my heart strings a little!!

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