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Is this neglect?

33 replies

DeflatedBalloon · 10/11/2019 17:03

My 2 DS stay at their father’s house once a fortnight, usually 4pm Friday until 7pm Saturday. This is all on his terms, and always has been. I have never been able to have a say in when he sees them. This week he changed plans and times 8 times in total.

For context, he is a compulsive liar. He always has been. Our relationship ended when I was pregnant with our youngest due to emotional abuse and infedility on an extreme scale. The sheer amount of lying and the things he lies about makes me think that there is something mentally unwell with him, though I am not sure what the diagnosis would be.

When at his home, the kids sleep on a sofa. They have never had access to a bed. Children informed me that he was awake last night until the early hours gaming, and they struggled to sleep because of the light from the screen. My eldest came home today with peeling lips and a barking cough. Turns out he had only had a sip of a drink in the whole time he was there. (9am yesterday-2pm today). They are never showered/bathed when there, they always come home stinking of what I can only describe as a chip pan fat smell and teeth are often unbrushed. They are given basic beige oven food for meals and small portions, filled up with sweets and junk inbetween. My youngest told me they have only ever had fruit with him once. I told him to make sure the kids returned home with their hats today as they need them for the long walk to school in the morning. Hats were not returned and upon phoning him I was given a mouthful and the phone slammed down on me. Once again I am going to have to replace them at my expense. The kids aren’t really taken anywhere apart from to his mother’s house and sometimes to kick a ball about across the road. From what the children have told me there is little interaction and they are bored. He owns no clothes for them, eldest slept in the clothes I sent him in yesterday, and the youngest wore pyjamas that he complained were too small and tight. I send a bag of clean clothes each time they go, ironed and suitable for the weather. I get the childrens clothes returned stuffed in a bag all inside out and stinking, often things missing. If I don’t send the clothes they will be left in the ones I send them in. He has stolen birthday money given by his side of the family many times, makes so many promises and breaks them, and has continuously let them down since they were babies. He has no involvement in their schooling or hobbies, and no interest to be honest. It feels like he only sees them to keep up appearances with his family.

The situation of my DS having nothing to drink in all that time has tipped me over the edge today. It has broken my heart that they are treated with such little care, and it feels like he is neglecting their needs. I want to stop contact, but am worried about the repercussions. I know the emotional abuse will ramp back up and maintenance witheld.

Any advice will be gladly appreciated. This man has destroyed me, and I have been given a diagnosis of C-PTSD. There are other factors, but he is a huge one. I am scared he is going to affect my childrens mental health too.

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Fidgety31 · 10/11/2019 17:17

Can your child not get a drink of water from the tap himself ? Is he not allowed access to the kitchen ?

12345kbm · 10/11/2019 17:20

Of course it's neglect. I wouldn't want my children anywhere near this man.

You need to get some legal advice regarding this. You could contact Gingerbread which is an organisation for single parents or the CABx. Also phone the NSPCC for advice if you're not sure if this is neglect or not and they can have a chat with you about it.

GeePipe · 10/11/2019 17:21

Definitely sounds like neglect op. Them poor children :(

NoFun21 · 10/11/2019 17:22

I think there is such a thing as “ environmental neglect” ie not providing a suitable environment.

DeflatedBalloon · 10/11/2019 17:25

He apparently asked for a drink multiple times but was told his cup was in the wash. I can only really go off what my children tell me so I am unsure of the whole picture or whether there was access to other drinking glasses. I am wary of over questioning them to the point that they will not tell me things. I will look into those organisations, thank you 1234kbm.

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Spied · 10/11/2019 17:27

They don't even have a bed?
I'd not be sending them there.
What are they getting out of it? Certainly not a relationship with him.
If you do continue to send them I'd be packing a water bottle and piece of fruit in their bags.

cocomelon23 · 10/11/2019 17:28

How old are your sons? This sounds terrible.

Topseyt · 10/11/2019 17:28

I'd call it neglect regardless of whether the kids are able to get their own drinks from the kitchen tap.

How old are the boys? Do they even want to visit him? He sounds like a waste of space and they get little from the visits.

Are the visits set out in a court order or is this just something you decided? If the latter then just stop sending them, especially as it seems they derive no tangible benefit from the arrangement.

12345kbm · 10/11/2019 17:31

No problem. Here's some info you might find useful until you speak to them.

  1. www.gingerbread.org.uk/information/child-maintenance/enforcing-payments/enforcing-payment-of-cms-child-maintenance/#stop
  1. www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/neglect/

Sorry about the stupid links but whenever I've tried to 'embed' links it hasn't worked.

DeflatedBalloon · 10/11/2019 17:31

They are 7 and 9. Eldest has mentioned a few time about not wanting to go, my youngest says that it is boring and they don’t do anything.

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Topseyt · 10/11/2019 17:37

Stop sending them then. It is no way to spend a weekend. They would be better off with you.

He neglects them and it is a waste of a weekend. They could be at home being properly cared for, seeing their friends, going to activities they enjoy etc. That would be far better, surely.

funnylittlefloozie · 10/11/2019 17:55

Stop sending them. They dont like it there, and he doesnt care for them properly. Is there a court order for the contact (assuming not as you said he has changed it multiple times this week)?

DidntLikeRugbyAnyway · 10/11/2019 17:59

Stop sending them. He can’t and won’t care for them appropriately.

Waffles80 · 10/11/2019 18:01

Is contact court ordered? I would email their father and outline your concerns, and say that in future they won’t be coming.

Infamy · 10/11/2019 18:04

Ex child protection social worker here. My children are that age and I would be furious and worried for them if their parent was provided what sounds to be sub standard care to our children.

Having said that, I doubt it meets child protection thresholds as evidence of significant harm either. Assessments look at ‘good enough’ parenting and I would think this would be seen as just good enough.

If your children do not want contact, and there is no court order in place, then you can stop enabling contact or assisting with arranging contact. You could also refuse contact and I believe the onus would be on him to apply. The court should then listen to you and appoint a sw to undertake an assessment to determine the best outcome for the children. Disclaimer : I am not a lawyer and advice may not be up to date. I’m an old crock! Grin

DeflatedBalloon · 10/11/2019 18:07

There is no court order. Thank you for all of your comments and advice. I am worried about how he will react but I will no longer send them. Enough is enough, they are great kids and deserve so much more. Thankfully they are thriving at home and school, so I must be doing something right when they are in my care. How exactly do I tell him that contact will no longer continue?

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Louise91417 · 10/11/2019 18:13

I stopped contact between my toddler and ex for these exact reasons (also ex thought it exceptable to be drunk at in morning when i was dropping ds off at his while i went to work). Contact was suspended,confirmed this with letter to ex from solicitor, that was over a year ago an theres been no contact since.

Lozzerbmc · 10/11/2019 18:17

Its so difficult but you are right to stop them going. I’d try and get as much info as you can on your position. Terrible re drinks but sleeping on a sofa While dad is gaming is not restful ...

category12 · 10/11/2019 18:23

I'd stop overnights.

crystalize · 10/11/2019 18:26

Don't be afraid of telling him. Email him the truth. 'You are neglecting our sons basic needs. Withholding a drink for so long is disgusting behaviour and unforgivable. They don't have a bed to sleep in and frankly they are not happy visiting you.'
Then ignore phone calls. Email communication only. If he wants to take it further let him go to court.

Louise91417 · 10/11/2019 18:30

If its any help i was advised by solicitor than if i allowed my child to continue contact and something was to happen i would be investigated...that was enough for me to hear..

Gruzinkerbell1 · 10/11/2019 18:45

Email your reasons. Keep it factual and to the point. Advise him that you’d be willing to help him work with social services and the courts if he’d like contact to be reintroduced. Tell him that you hope that this will be a temporary measure and that you will continue to facilitate telephone calls/FaceTime. Block his number so he can’t bombard you will abuse. Keep it all to email.

Waffles80 · 10/11/2019 19:04

I wouldn’t be emotive. Be factual.

Chlosavxox · 10/11/2019 20:35

I agree with everyone above.

IDontEvenHaveAPla · 10/11/2019 22:08

That sounds dreadful and certainly is neglect. If the children are not happy to see him I think you can will need to ask for legal advice to see what is best for the children long term.

However, I do find it strange that your children were not able to just get some water themselves from the kitchen considering their age. Surely there's more than one glass each and they can just help themselves? That just seems like an odd situation.

However, it seems he's not really equipped to have them overnight either so perhaps reduce contact hours until you get some legal advice and only allow him to have them during the day and not overnight?