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Insecure or controlling?

126 replies

TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 13:40

Or both?

Seeing a man for about 5 months, went extremely well until recently. He is super reliable and seemed kind, easygoing, supportive, open to commitment etc. After lots of non-starters, I was delighted to be an in apparently good relationship, was walking around smiling unintentionally etc.

We live 40 or so mins apart, see each other at the weekend and sometimes one evening; and as I don't drive, he was doing the vast majority of the to'ing and fro'ing without complaint as well.

Earlier this month he seemed out out that I'd decided to attend an event on my own. Long story but I just preferred to go alone. I arranged something for us to do on sun evening instead (event was on Sat evening which we usually spend together) but he made several comments that suggested he found it odd, his nose was a bit out of joint and that he wondered why he wasn't invited/taken along and why I hadn't been clear with the hostess that I'm now in a steady relationship etc. I responded to these comments and there was no animosity or conflict - I was left wondering if maybe I should have explained more why I went alone instead of just doing my thing (I'm very independent) and leaving him wondering.

Halloween - my city has a event/festival type thing, I asked if he was coming to it with his family, he said no (past that age), I was going to watch part of the event but had no intention of going "out" in the city - until I got a last minute invite to join friend and her visitor from Germany, which I happily accepted since the atmosphere is great during the festival. I did not tell him about it and (to me) had no real reason to as we were not seeing each other.

During the evening, he texted (as we often do), he realised I was out at a bar/club type thing and, to my surprise, got quite annoyed ... He said numerous things among them that I'd already been away to a party on my own, had been to the cinema another night this week, now this - he felt i was "moving away from the relationship". I hadn't mentioned anything about it to him etc.

He seemed to get more ranty as he went on, until I finally cracked, shouted at him (I can't even remember clearly what) and he calmed down/backed down considerably and we ended the call in more reasonable terms.

During the rant, the behaviour seemed so out if character for the man I've known that I actually wondered if he was drinking/drunk (though he's a very light drinker) and asked him, which caused him to get offended and contributed to the rant.

Since then it's not been easy to talk about the "conversation" on Halloween night, but from what he's said, apparentlye he has strong feelings for me, cares a lot about the relationship, feels a bit insecure in it and is also a bit freaked out since I told him that I once cheated on an ex and that's stuck in his head.

He has been such a great guy up til now that I don't want to finish and I understand hearing someone had cheated (maybe I should learn to keep my mouth shut and that honesty isn't always the best policy) might make their partner worry ... But I'm extremely independent, sociable if given the chance and would like to take any social opportunities I get (I would no matter what but esp with us living 40mins or more apart and I also suffered depression after my last relationship ended and I was alone too much so want to build up a social scene).

He seems a bit embarrassed about the outburst/rant but it has me uneasy and I wonder is it surmountable insecurity or is he potentially controlling.

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TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 13:40

Holy shit, I wrote a novel, sorry.

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EdgarAllenSloe · 04/11/2019 13:47

Hmm. My succinct response would be: three strikes and he's out. He's up to two. Id give him one more chance but if your 'talking to' doesn't change things - run.

Shoxfordian · 04/11/2019 13:51

I wouldn't give him 3 strikes
Ltb

TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 13:54

Would you say his reaction to me going to the party on a sat night on my own and just telling him I was without explaining why I preferred going alone (though I did see him the following evening instead) is a strike?

I've been thinking about it and I suppose my bise would also be out out of joint if he did that to me. I'd wonder why he hadn't taken me (and if it was because of some funny business with an ex or something). So I've felt that maybe I was in the wrong in that one (?)

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TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 13:57

*nose

(I meant an ex attending the party and him not wanting awkwardness, or maybe even (if feeling particularly suspicious) not wanting to appear to have a partner ...bits hard to think of reasons why someone in a steady relationship would choose to go to a party solo on a night they usually see their partner. In my case I like timeout in my own sometimes, and also I thought he wouldn't gel at all with the other people (I just pass myself cause it's a long-term friend who is v good natured) but I didn't tell.him that.

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Bufferingkisses · 04/11/2019 13:58

Controlling imho. The message seems to be that you can only do things when he's not there with his prior approval. That's really not great. He may feel insecure but that's his problem to deal with. Making it your problem is unreasonable and giving half excuses (like you cheating in the past) is a way of making it your "fault".

Honestly I would proceed with extreme caution if I proceeded at all. The fact that he "behaved like someone else" during your argument is a huge red flag.

BlondeBarnOwl · 04/11/2019 14:00

Hi OP

He sounds insecure to me. He isnt controlling you because you very rightly arent allowing him to.

He probably has to get used to an independent lady.
My DP always gets a bit twitchy when i go out (Similar set up to yours) but has learnt over time it doesnt mean im cheating and the twitchyness is dying out more and more. I havent changed anything... go out when i want, have a friend over of an evening... often without thinking to mention it up front.
My DPs reasons at the start for the twitchyness (Which he denied, of course) was just not being used to it and worrying he was losing me. Now its normal and he doesnt bat an eyelid.

If he doesnt start backing down since your talking to him then tell him to give his head a wobble.

TheRobinIsBobbingAlong · 04/11/2019 14:00

He sounds very insecure. Probably your comment about cheating in an earlier relationship hasn't helped, and he's a bit paranoid when you go out alone that you may be with another bloke. Has he been cheated on before in other relationships? Definitely a conversation is required - when he's feeling calm - about you both being allowed to go out with friends when you're not together, and whether you need to be telling each other of plans to go out that the other one is not involved in. It will be interesting to see how he behaves in future, and whether the 'telling off' works. If he continues to act in a jealous manner then I'd part ways.

Aquamarine1029 · 04/11/2019 14:02

During the rant, the behaviour seemed so out if character for the man I've known

This IS his character, you're just starting to see it because his mask is slipping. As for knowing him, you don't. You've only been dating for 5 months. You don't know him at all. I would be running for the hills.

TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:04

Has he been cheated on before in other relationships?

Years ago when he was v young (an early gf who.was working in his area) - went home for Christmas/NY and got off with her ex. Must've told him through guilt/wanting to be honest, he ended it. It was a long time ago and he told me he wasn't v emotionally involved with her (who knows).

Not since then to my knowledge.

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TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:08

and whether you need to be telling each other of plans to go out that the other one is not involved in

Do you think we/couples should do that - to me it's a bit inconvenient but also a bit "get permission/check in with parole officer-y" Wink. I'd find it a bit tiresome. Why not just go.abkut your business and mention it of it comes up.
I don't want to have to grab my phone and text my bf in the middle of a fast turnaround after work, like at Halloween. Its potential hassle but it also sets a precedent I find a bit .. controlling, for lack of a better word.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/11/2019 14:09

He has a myriad of issues which he is transferring onto you.

I would not want to continue this relationship under any circumstances. His mask of outward respectability towards you has revealed this side of him and he has managed to keep this under wraps before now.

SellmeyourMLMcrap · 04/11/2019 14:20

This sounds a lot like boundary checking for both of you. It's possible that he's used to a more 'in each others pockets' type of relationship where every little thing is shared and you are more into just sharing what needs to be shared.

Neither of those are wrong but the fact he had a bit of a go at you for being out without him does seem really over the top, I wonder if he's upset that you're out or upset that you didn't say so which means he thinks you're keeping things from him for reasons other than there's no need to share.

I would say he does sound a little controlling but that doesn't mean he is deliberately doing so or that it will progress or continue.

Personally I'd carry on as normal and just be really aware if you start behaving differently due to his expectations, it can creep up on people. If you change or he keeps this stupidity up then there is clearly a mismatch in your expectations and it's probably time to cut him out.

TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:26

He probably has to get used to an independent lady.

In our neck of the woods, many people stop socialising alone when they get into s steady relationship. What I did on Halloween night, for example, would be considered "single person" behaviour for many. Not saying it's right - just what the culture is like here and how he'd not be alone in his thinking.
I'm not like that however and I'm a bit too stubborn to change

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KnickerBockerAndrew · 04/11/2019 14:29

TBH I'd be a bit hurt if a boyfriend went out to a party without me if there wasn't a specific reason why it would I should go. I can understand wanting to be independent and wanting nights out without the DP, but if it's a party, and couples are welcome, I would question why they wouldn't want me to be there.

If the unintended night out with mates was in the same week, and if you had the opportunity to invite him and didn't, I think it's fair for him to deduce that you're not that into him, or that you want different kinds of relationships. When I'm in a relationship and out with couples, I want my DP there, so maybe he's like that too.

AmIThough · 04/11/2019 14:36

How old is he? Because his behaviour sounds like a young man but some of the things you've said make me think he could be an older man.

I think he's a bit insecure and has a slightly different view on things to you.
If you're happy to be more communicative like he wants to I think you'll be able to work it out but the "you've already done these things on your own" comment is the start of something controlling and you need to put your foot down there.

smartcarnotsosmartdriver · 04/11/2019 14:39

I don't think you've been unreasonable at all. The first one you'd rather attend alone, the second he didn't fancy. I love DH but we are separate people. We are allowed to do things without each other. I don't know that I'd run for the hills just yet but I'd be cautious going forward.

Lozzerbmc · 04/11/2019 14:46

I think its worrying, as just because you are in a relationship it doesnt mean being joined at the hip. You have only been seeing him 5 months and if hes put out you going out think what it would be like if you lived together? I think hes controlling

TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:49

@KnickerBockerAndrew

The party was neither couply nor not.

But I didn't think he gel with the type of people (arty farty) or their drinking (which didn't turn out to be as crazy as I expected). But also my friend has a weird thing about getting drunk and not having to be a hostess on her birthday; so she's not comfortable around people she doesn't know. She can be extremely self conscious.

Halloween was two other women - and a venue with alternative dance music. Not his scene so I didn't contact him to ask if he wanted to. come in to "town" after all.

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TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:50

How old is he?

40s.

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TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:52

the second he didn't fancy.

He said he wasn't coming to the family/public festival. I didn't invite him to the drinks/club type thing my friend invited me too (with her German visitor). I didn't think it would be his scene a d just wanted to go for dance with some girls.

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LucileDuplessis · 04/11/2019 14:54

I'm not insecure at all, but I think I'd be a bit surprised if I spoke to my partner and found that they were out in a bar having not mentioned that they had any plans to go out, shortly after they had deliberately excluded me from their Saturday night plans AND admitted they had cheated in a previous relationship. I can see why he was upset.

Maybe as you're so independent he's just not the right guy for you, which is fine, but I don't think this is all his fault.

TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:54

(The invite was pretty last minute too on Halloween afternoon/early evening).

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TwitchyWitch · 04/11/2019 14:59

found that they were out in a bar having not mentioned that they had any plans to go out

I asked him if he was coming to town/city for Halloween festival (with implication is meet him/them if was), he said not.

As above, I got jnvite for drinks/club pretty last minute. I didn't think he'd enjoy it and isn't want to drag someone 40 mins away, not able to have a drink (he has dependant s at home so couldn't stay at mine) to listen to me and two other girls natter and watch me getting my groove on to quirky air dance music (which he does not listen to).

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Aquamarine1029 · 04/11/2019 15:00

Whether he's insecure or controlling or both is a moot point imo. I think the two of you have very different expectations as to how you manage relationships, and that won't likely change. You're not suited for each other.