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headsintheshed · 24/10/2019 00:20

I love my family

through true grit I provide a life of privilege

Im not thanked , Im persecuted, for Im the man thats never there!

I watch my kids grow up on Instagram , they all look so happy

I must be doing something right

but when im present im irritable and snappy because im working even when im not

I cant switch off

Days are not called by their calender names ...they are all called 'workday'

many years pass im tired , I want to make some changes

I need some help

someone needs to get a job

She doesnt want to be the breadwinner ....the family loser!

im being unreasonable

she wants a divorce

OP posts:
MMadness · 24/10/2019 00:50

I'm sorry. You sound sad.

Can you cut back anywhere? Less hours. Create a budget.

It shouldn't be all on you.

Djimino · 24/10/2019 00:56

Can you change your job?

Can you move somewhere cheaper?

How old are your kids?

headsintheshed · 24/10/2019 23:18

With building a client list from a standing start and the repeat business increasing each year im afraid to cut back.
Changing my job is not an option , I could never find a job working for someone else that would pay the salary I earn via the business.
There was no compromise when deciding where to live , I put my argument forward and was told that it wasnt an option for discussion , she had her reasons (schools,her family her friends) so I give into it.
we have two teenagers from previous relationships and one 2.5 year old. She has single handedly raised our child while I have worked to provide everything that she needs , Ive given her a salary of 1000 a month disposable income , bought her cars, holidays, extras and paid all the bills and insurances , all she has to buy is clothes and food. We have slept separately for nearly all the time we have been together as I have to go to work at 6am and don't want to wake the baby , having broken sleep wasn't good for me as I have a very long commute each day plus the baby had colic terrible. Sometimes working away is the most desirable option for me as i get to sleep in a bed and need the peace in the evenings to complete my work as she catches up on all house work while the kids go to bed. I have begged to put our youngest in creche so she can do chores during the day or assist with the everyday business tasks that I do in the evenings but she point blank refuses.
everytime I try to enforce a change she suggests spitting up then ignores me for days sometimes weeks until I give in.
I'm starting to think I would be better off without her its a miserable existence. Im stressed and tired all the time , my health is suffering while she looks like a million dollars and spends her days in parks , beaches and playzones , kids sports games and enjoying days out with friends shopping etc. I bought a holiday home when we first met which I run as a holiday let to pay for the park fees but she refuses to help out with it so I have to find the time to fit in handovers and maintain the place, the lets never cover the full cost as I cant afford the time and cancel more bookings than I accept.

I have told her on several occasions that i need someone to help me run both the main business and the holiday let , i have given her a person specification that she meets the criteria for ..stay at home mum , wanting 12-16 hours a week but she is happy to let me hire a unknown. She point blank refuses to take parcels for me for anything that I have to order as she's too busy with her lifestyle to hang around waiting all day.

I ended up in this situation as i wanted to make her happy because i love her, but her happiness has now come at the cost of my own , im always irritable and snappy and im turning into a bitter resentful man....its not who I want to be .....the sad thing is I know that i have to break free from this environment before I lose control of the business which is starting to happen , im not functioning properly and im procrastinating tasks which is in turn causing me stress .....if i lose the buisness I will lose everything as she wouldnt be interested in me if i had no money , that was kinda clear from the start but i was willing to except that I was attractive prospect because I from the outside looking in I had it all , nice car nice house holidays but the truth is I was only going out and earning what I needed to survive at the time , i was by no means well off just comfortable

OP posts:
TheABC · 24/10/2019 23:31

Ok, start by deciding what it is you want. If the business is going well, you should be able to hire someone and put automatic processes in place. I would also consider business relocation or split the work, so one or two days a week you can do it from home without the commute. I would also ditch the holiday rental if it's more stress than profit and fun for you.

What I will say is that raising a toddler single handedly is not a sinecure and if she is doing it without a break on broken sleep, I can see why she does not want to attempt business tasks in the daytime too.

At 3, the free nursery hours kick in. I would reshape the business so you are not overwhelmed and give yourself a boundary cutoff for working each day. I run my own business with young children and I get it. I really do. Your clients will always expect more from you. Your job as a boss is to safeguard your time and health.

Finally, talk to her about her future expectations. What will happen when your child goes to school? Does she want to retrain? Work again? It sounds like you went into this relationship knowing you would be the main earner and you are now resentful because you are stressed. She has not actually changed the terms. So, start talking and take the time to ask her about her ambitions and dreams. It could be she just wants to be a SAHM, in which case you have your answer and can respond accordingly.

ExtinctionN0tT0day · 25/10/2019 01:09

You could sell the holiday let or employ someone to do the change overs

You sound very unhappy, make some changes

Do you spend time with your youngest child ?

zsazsajuju · 25/10/2019 01:13

I think you need to make some changes. Some women (and men) don’t want to work but want a nice life. But equally some men don’t involve themselves in their kids lives.

So if you want to be less stressed and spend more time with your children you’re going to have to take a decision to do so and stick by it. Good luck.

Djimino · 25/10/2019 07:52

You really need to make some changes. The most obvious one being to cut down your hours at work. If you are irritable and bitter when you are at home then your wife want care about you or your feeling and your child probably won't either. It's not worth risking your relationship with your child over having a high salary.

Can you sell the holiday home? Or rent it out long term, Or put it with an agency that deals with the day to day running.

You can't carry on like this.

You wife might see you as being controlling and not very nice. Being irritable and snappy can be seen as 'abusive'. You have to completely stop.

PicsInRed · 25/10/2019 11:03

You "give her a salary"?

Well that just gives me warm fuzzies all over. Delightful.

Diy2019 · 25/10/2019 11:13

This is really sad.

I kind of understand where you are coming from. My dp works away from home for a job with good money. I work aswell but I am home every morning, every evening and every weekend. I posted a picture of our son in his Halloween costume on fb this morning, I was home to get him dressed and ready while dp is 2 hours away. He hasn't seen him dressed up, only seen a picture.

But I'm sorry to say that it sounds like your partner doesn't want to be with you anyway. She likes all the benefits you bring - the house, the money, the holidays. But it doesn't sound like she misses you when you're away and is happy to do everything without you.

hellsbellsmelons · 25/10/2019 11:19

Ive given her a salary of 1000 a month disposable income - all she has to buy is clothes and food
So it’s NOT disposable income then.
as i get to sleep in a bed and need the peace in the evenings
What peace does your DW get in the evenings?
I have begged to put our youngest in creche so she can do chores during the day
Wow – just WOW!!!!
to complete my work as she catches up on all house work while the kids go to bed
Again – WOW!!!!
I’m honestly speechless!

RB68 · 25/10/2019 11:22

The holiday let can be handled by an agent - just do it, it costs but what is the cost now?

With regard to the business get yourself a business coach and make the aim to reduce your input and give you more time.

If the wife wants her freedom give it to her, with your new extra time go for 50/50 care take the load you want.

To do this you HAVE to change the way you are working, being a workaholic is not healthy. We run our own businesses (yes plural) we have a teen but have run our businesses for over 10 yrs now, its compromise but if she is not prepared to contribute differently then what choice do you have

Nofunkingworriesmate · 25/10/2019 11:26

You don’t sound in love ? Get an Assistant and a cleaner babysitter do you can spend time together relaxed and plan what you both want together

HaveIgoneMad · 25/10/2019 11:48

It sounds as though you feel unnapreciated, it also sounds like you don't appreciate her much. Raising a toddler, as PP have said, is hard work - you don't get paid for it but it is no holiday.
It could be that you are both burnt out and simply not seeing things from the others perspective.
This needs to be spoken about, both of you need to have a chance to speak and be heard, and if she refuses to speak then yes perhaps it would be best if you separate because this situation does not sound healthy for any of you.

dottiedodah · 25/10/2019 13:03

I think as others here have said ,Your wife IS working! very hard ,looking after your DC ,the home and so on .Perhaps she doesnt want to do HW while DC is at Nursery ,but would rather have fun and engage with them .In a little while DC will be at Pre School /School F/T would she want to work then maybe ? £1000 p/m seems a lot, but if she is buying food from that and clothes for DC its not as much as you think!I see your point but if you were to divorce ,she would probably get custody of DC as a SAHM and you would quite possibly be worse off financially !You may have to pay upkeep for her as well ,as it could be argued she has put her working life to one side to care F/T for your child .Think carefully .Could you not try a little counselling perhaps ?.Sometimes Couples become "polarised" as one takes on household duties while the other one "works" ,.Maybe try a day at home with DC before you judge!

ukgift2016 · 25/10/2019 13:12

It doesn't seem like you appreciate what SHE does but it also seems like she doesn't appreciate what YOU do.

everytime I try to enforce a change she suggests spitting up then ignores me for days sometimes weeks until I give in.

Counselling would be a good option. If she refuses then you got your answer.

ukgift2016 · 25/10/2019 13:14

Just like to add, you give her 1000 but after taking away the grocery bill and insurance. She's not going be living it up is she.

something2say · 25/10/2019 15:11

I think she likes how things are, likes the lifestyle she is able to have at your expense but many men are coming to resent having to provide this sort of lifestyle and I get why.

It's time to talk, and I'd go so far as to discuss splitting the assets and how she'll provide for herself if you split up, cos things would certainly change for her then right?

From there, maybe she will get it a bit more.

Explain to your teenagers that money comes at a cost and you're changing things for the better.

Then downsize drastically and see if you can fit in any mindfulness to help relax xx

PickAChew · 25/10/2019 15:29

Your relationship sounds very broken.

You make out that she's having an easy life then she's having to do housework at night. Your solution is to put the baby in a creche. If you're going to outsource, then why not outsource some of the cleaning?

And if the holiday let is such a bind, sell it.

Wherearemymarbles · 25/10/2019 16:01

You need to talk about what her expectations going forward are. If its more of the same, divorce her as it will do neither of you any good to stay together

Treesthemovie · 25/10/2019 16:26

Sounds like you enjoy being a workaholic OP. You're suggesting that she would want to leave if you worked less. Well, she wants to leave now. All this talk of being persecuted sounds melodramatic - in the post I see a lot of what you want and nothing about what she wants. She wants you at home more by the sounds of it.

Treesthemovie · 25/10/2019 16:29

Also sounds like you expect an awful lot while being emotionally and physically distant, preferring to be away on business while she 'catches up on housework'. I don't like this talk of attempting to 'enforce' her taking an interest in your business and so on, that's quite concerning.

0lga · 25/10/2019 16:30

So your wife is raising your (joint ) child, your step child and your child single handed 24/7?

And you say you can’t cut back your hours because it would affect your earnings yet you expect her to earn good money after taking years out to raise your children full time.

Divorce sounds like a great idea to me. You will get the break from work you seem to want as you will have a teenager and a toddler to care for half the week.

So you will see you kids more and work less. It’s a win win.

You obviously won’t miss your wife as you never see her anyway.

And she can get a job in the half of the week she doesn’t have the kids. And have all these child free evenings to socialise too.

Graphista · 25/10/2019 17:23

Give me strength!

So...

Reading between the lines I’d say from your wife’s perspective/if she were posting it’s more like

You are a workaholic who refuses to compromise on this.

She’s raising at least one teen of her own, your 2.5 year old and who looks after your teen when they’re at yours?

You are BOTH working to care for your family, that your work brings direct monetary recognition does NOT negate the work she does.

You are NOT giving her a ‘salary’ because she is NOT your employee and frankly that’s an appalling way to think and speak of your wife and mother of one of your children. And even IF you take that attitude that she’s an employee and from the rest of your comments your wife is ‘on call’ 24/7, 365 days a year - so that’s WAY below nmw!! What’s her holiday entitlement? Does she get bonuses for Sunday’s or bank holidays?

You haven’t “bought her” anything either, whether directly or indirectly you agreed to run your family this way any purchases are made with family money, it’s not your money.

Having a 6am start (which isn’t that early) is a pathetic reason for your abdicating your responsibilities as a father. You are a disgrace for expecting her to do all night wakings and dealings with YOUR (joint) child. I am ALWAYS disgusted with men who do this. My ex was army, he assisted with night duties whenever he was home regardless of whether he had an early start, was travelling the next day (and I’m pretty sure the Middle East on a military transport is a damn sight tougher than your ‘long commute’!), was about to go on or just back from exercise (which could include several nights of no sleep at all and/or sleeping in makeshift shelter) etc

My dad was also army as were both my grandad and my brother is a police officer - all did their share of night duties with their children. As an ex nurse I’ve also worked with Drs including surgeons who ALSO did their share of night duties.

So forget making excuses on that score - you’re a father with a 2.5 year old, toddlers need stuff in the night sometimes that’s YOUR responsibility as well as your wife’s!

“Sometimes working away is the most desirable option for me” oh I’ll bet it is!!!

The holiday let - did your wife have any say in that purchase? Because if not then I don’t think it’s at all reasonable to expect her to help out with it! It’s clearly too much for you to deal with so get rid!

As for “telling her” you want her to work in the business - you don’t get to tell her where she works! And if she did work in the business would you be treating her like your other employees? Or expecting her to take a lower wage and do more because she’s your wife? (I think I can guess) would you do more at home if she was working in the business or expecting her to keep on doing all she’s currently doing AND work in the business? (Again think I can guess)

In addition it’s rarely a good idea to mix business and relationships - especially when the relationship is already under strain it sounds an appalling idea her working for you.

“I ended up in this situation as i wanted to make her happy” bull! You’re an adult with a business and you have agency and choices - did you have the business before you met her? Why did your last relationship break down? I’m guessing it was the one with your teens mother?

Your irritability and snapping is YOUR responsibility to resolve.

Your wife is not necessarily having an easy time of it as a Sahm.

There are pros AND cons to the different ways of being a mum. That’s just as true for Sahm as for other mums.

I’m willing to bet she is not only raising your 2.5 year old (an extremely tiring and challenging age and stage) and her own teen, and in suspect a fair amount of caring for YOUR teen, but also doing most if not all of the “wifework” - housework, home maintenance, family admin, the “mental load” - that is NO small feat!

Stop petting your lip, at least TRY and look at things from her perspective, STOP ignoring the fact you’re a father of 2, LISTEN to your wife and discuss with her (don’t “tell” or try to “enforce”!) ways in which you can work TOGETHER to have EVERYONE in the family be as happy as possible.

Get your priorities right.

Yes families need money to cover bills etc but beyond that is unimportant.

What matters is nurturing relationships - not just with your wife but with your children too. That takes time and effort there’s no way to cut corners!

I’ve yet to meet any parent who wishes they’d worked MORE when their children were still children. I’ve met plenty who wished they worked less and made more time for family.

The way you’re going you’re going to be a lonely old man with at least 2 failed relationships behind you and 2 children who want little to do with you as adults.

You have an opportunity to avoid that, ever heard “there’s no pockets in a shroud”

Money is only worth what it can do for you in terms of achieving happiness, contentment. It’s of no value in and of itself.

No job is more important than the people you love.

headsintheshed · 26/10/2019 00:48

I decided to post my story here because I wanted to get an unbiased female opinion on our situation as I dont really have anyone to talk to about problems at home.

Thankyou all for talking the time to respond , some of the comments and opinions of the things I have said have hit me where it hurts but this is good , I need some home truths to help me understand. I'm not a narcissistic person , im very subjectible to the fact that there are things about me , my thoughts , opinions and the way I deal with problems that are less than perfect and im trying to find out if what i feel and think is right or wrong in a bid to save my relationship, surely there's nobody here that can condemn me for that.

@Graphista thanks for your response , I read it about 10 times and although you have surmised scenarios in your own head that don't exist and they have generally set the tone of your response there were a few things that hit me like a bus and have given me some serious food for thought.thanks

but in my defence...
I'm not a workaholic , im a hard working man that is trying to provide the best life possible for my family and set us up for retirement years , I would gladly reduce my hours if there was a 2nd income coming in.

your comments about her being my employee are completely taken out of context.
yes OH is on "a salary" she is payed PAYE from the business funds and I keep up her NAT INS and provide pension contributions.
She has a company car mobile phone , insurance and fuel all paid from my business, we agreed this on the condition that she assisted with small admin tasks which she has never done, thats why I ask her to help from time to time, if she didnt want this arrangement we could have gone another route .

when i met her she was on DHS and working 16 hours in a Admin role , as soon as she fell pregnant she quit.

OH doesnt look after my son when he visits , not once.. im close with him and I take full responsibility in fact she refuses to watch over him as him and her lad are like chalk and cheese and she cant deal with a fall out , so when she goes to the holiday home with our toddler and her own son , my son isn't invited if im not present.

My last Relationship wasn't with my sons mother ,that was a casual relationship and it was an it was amicable decision ,we get on just fine. My actual last LTR was ended due to completely falling out of love over a period of 4 years , fizzled out no kids involved. the remainder of the time I have been single , im 43.

The holiday home was what she wanted ,its in a town where she holidayed as a child , I bought it out of my savings when she was expecting , she was overjoyed that our children would share the same experiences of her childhood. She said id made her dreams come true. (which is why i cant sell it and feel strongly that theres no shame in asking her to assist me in its upkeep)

We met in Jan 2016 , she fell pregnant 6 months later, we lived apart only seeing each other on weekends . we are not married. I used the word divorced instead of explaining the full story (its a bloke thing).

I immediately rented a house for us to be together close to her family & friends , there was little time and i didn't want to just buy the first house as we were desperate I i didn't know the area. I finally bought us a suitable home earlier this year (big renovation project very stressful).

my 6am start is followed by a 2 hour commute , I do a lot of miles each week on top of this and my job is physical , mental and tiring i almost never get home before 7:30pm and then I have to work on the computer and make phone calls , I'm a one man band that turns over approx 300k a year 65% of that income is running costs. when I met her I was turning over 60k and retaining 65% , Ive achieved that in 3 short years, I never had the incentive to go at it that hard before as Ive never had to and if i'm totally honest a lack of confidence that had burdened me almost all my life, taking OH on with the extra two kids made me face my insecurities and raise my game.

you say " get my priorities right! you only need money for bills" , my bills are obviously far greater than yours ! , I have business running costs , rental property we live in, a mortgaged renovation property , a holiday home, two vehicles plus trying to put money away for the future.

Im open for discussion , I want to work this out and work together to come to a happy conclusion but the minute I say something that she doesn't like she shuts me down, she refuses to make any suggestions and she doesn't have any opinions ! its like flogging a dead horse

this very night Ive asked her if she wants to talk about it and she said she doesn't know what to say , if I tell her to carry on as she is and ill keep doing what im doing she will fall back into line and be happy , shes done it too many times for me to think otherwise , this is why sometimes I try to make a stand (enforce) a change only to fall back into line myself after 2 weeks of not talking ....its painful

....P.s before anyone asks no there is no mental heath issues or PSND or DP we have explored all this , shes very happy in herself when i keep quiet about my feelings and keep my head down.

I asked her once what would happen if i had an accident and couldn't work (im fully insured but she doesn't know that ) , she said she will have to go back on DHS and we will have to live separate , how can THAT be an option , i just don't get it. please correct me if im wrong

OP posts:
HappyAtWork · 26/10/2019 01:39

Sell the holiday let. Try to reduce your workload in other ways also.

Employ someone to help you at work.

Make an effort to do housework in the evenings.

Work at improving your own attitude at home. Leave your work at work.

You would have to support your child if you divorced and allocating 1k a month from your month probably makes better financial sense.

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