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Bread winner .....family Loser!

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headsintheshed · 24/10/2019 00:20

I love my family

through true grit I provide a life of privilege

Im not thanked , Im persecuted, for Im the man thats never there!

I watch my kids grow up on Instagram , they all look so happy

I must be doing something right

but when im present im irritable and snappy because im working even when im not

I cant switch off

Days are not called by their calender names ...they are all called 'workday'

many years pass im tired , I want to make some changes

I need some help

someone needs to get a job

She doesnt want to be the breadwinner ....the family loser!

im being unreasonable

she wants a divorce

OP posts:
Graphista · 26/10/2019 01:50

My intention was to open your eyes to her perspective and hopefully I’ve achieved that.

Not saying she’s perfect either none of us are, but I could see areas where you were being (based on what you’d posted before I posted) unfair to her.

Paying her a salary when she doesn’t actually do any work for the business - is that even legal? Sounds highly dubious.

You now seem to be alluding to her having “trapped” you by becoming pregnant 6 months into your relationship. As I’ve stated on another thread BOTH sex partners need to take responsibility for their sexual health and fertility, given your teen was also conceived through a casual relationship? Think you may need to improve your attitude and actions when it comes to contraception!

And the comments about her situation when you met belie I think an attitude that you consider you “rescued” her? Possibly worse.

The holiday home - it sounds like you bought it as a “surprise” for her? Which may seem a generous gift but it’s not really if you didn’t fully consider costs and time for maintaining it, without discussing with her?

As you’re not married she is actually extremely vulnerable. That’s almost a whole other thread!

And your commute is not that bad - you really are not going to get far with me labouring that point, nor about long hours etc as I think I made clear in my first post. But to add to that I myself when dd was little older than your youngest worked full time and had a 90 min commute each way, and that was as a single parent so I also had all the running of a household, all the responsibility for paying the bills, managing family admin, parenting solo etc so please stop with that. There is NO excuse for not taking on your share of night duties.

Your bills being higher than mine is largely down to choice. Most of what you’ve listed are not necessities. Families need A home, food, heat etc they don’t necessarily NEED more than one property, holiday place, car per person etc also where you live is a choice (and yes I appreciate you saying she wanted to be near family and friends BUT I’ve lived all over uk and overseas - everywhere has within just a few miles good but more expensive parts of that town/region to live in and cheaper but less desirable areas - again it’s a choice to a degree particularly if your income allows for more choice, it’s those on smaller incomes that have less choice)

As I said she is not blameless in this. Making herself (and her children) financially dependent on you is foolish. Not only in terms of a possible split but as you yourself have said if you were to become incapacitated or die that could make life extremely difficult possibly very suddenly for her. Marriage would go some way to mitigating that risk but I totally understand that not being an attractive option at the moment.

Would she attend counselling? How are you approaching her with regard to changing things? Are you framing it as a money issue or as one of where you are unhappy with your work life balance and wishing to change that? Are you wording it as a criticism of her or have you taken that stance generally in the past?

I also wonder if home is not the best place to raise it. Would going out for a meal or something and being in a calm neutral environment be a way to create a calm way to discuss things without the distractions there often are at home?

It’s so hard when a couple becomes entrenched in their own individual disappointments and stresses and find it hard to communicate and to listen to each other, there are 5 people’s lives wrapped up in this 4 of them children and it would be much better if a solution that everyone was reasonably happy with could be agreed on.

RantyAnty · 26/10/2019 04:50

She doesn't really seem to care for you at all.
Are you sure she isn't just with you for money?

She has a teen and she didn't work when you met her. She seems to have no interest in working now.
She quickly fell pregnant which may have been on purpose but like others said, birth control is also your responsibility. You're late 40s, look into having the snip to prevent any more "accidents"

She doesn't seem to care about doing anything for you. She doesn't like your teen and refusing to do anything with them.

She appears to be a fanny lodger, the female version of a cocklodger.

So what exactly are you getting out of this relationship?

rvby · 26/10/2019 04:51

You can't sell the holiday house... because you bought it for your wife... the wife who is causing you to need to sell it.

You're full of excuses and they dont even make sense. If she is fucking you over, then why would you hang onto the house...???

You say you can't slow down your job and yet then boast of how much money you're making...? No if you're making a lot that means you CAN slow down.

All those things you own can be sold.

You're making your own life difficult by refusing the extremely obvious solutions that are right in front of you. Which is fair enough but then dont blame your wife or whine about it, you are actively rejecting solutions, after all

ExtinctionN0tT0day · 26/10/2019 09:42

You earn all that money, but it seems that you are both unhappy

Do you have regular " date nights" with your partner, where you get a baby sitter & have quality time together ?

When do you expect your partner to work ?
You work days, she works nights, you share the child care
Or
You pay for child care & you both work
In that case, you both need to share more of the child care & household chores or pay for cleaner, nanny, ironing etc

When was the last time that you & your family used the holiday home ? & When is the next time due ?

I know lots of people who earn a lot less & are far happier

You seem cash rich, but time poor

ExtinctionN0tT0day · 26/10/2019 09:43

I consider myself an equal to my partner

Do you consider yourself an equal to your partner

Jog22 · 26/10/2019 10:34

FannylodgerGrin
Is she really good in bed? That's what we ask of the cocklodgers.

LannieDuck · 26/10/2019 10:37

You've written long posts, but I don't know, e.g. how much you bring home (£300k is your gross turn-over? what's left after paying all the business expenses?), or what hours you work (do you work weekends?).

You say you earn enough to maintain a privileged lifestyle. So why not earn a bit less and spend more time with your family at weekends?

It sounds to me (again, hard to tell from your posts), as if your wife wants a bit more work-life balance from you. She wants you around more; you want to work less... so what's stopping you? Unless your business isn't actually allowing you to bring home as high a salary as you make it sound...

Incidentally, what's left from your wife's salary each month after she pays for food for the family (you, her, 2yo, her kids, your kid? 6-7 people?) and clothes?

LannieDuck · 26/10/2019 10:40

Also, you want your wife to get a job... but do you understand that you'd have to pick up some of the housework and childcare if she did? So you'd have to drop working hours...

Jog22 · 26/10/2019 11:17

"OH is on "a salary" she is payed PAYE from the business funds and I keep up her NAT INS and provide pension contributions.
She has a company car mobile phone , insurance and fuel all paid from my business, we agreed this on the condition that she assisted with small admin tasks which she has never done, thats why I ask her to help from time to time, if she didnt want this arrangement we could have gone another route ."
Sounds pretty generous to me. Especially as she's not even doing any basic admin tasks for this. I'd feel a bit ashamed if I was her.

Jog22 · 26/10/2019 12:04

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Booboosweet · 26/10/2019 17:54

What stands out to me is that she refuses to deal with your teenage son. She doesn't sound like she's fully committed to you. I don't think it's fair that you're running yourself into the ground.

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