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Posting for a friend - She's not sure if she's in the wrong?

35 replies

MyFriendIsNotOnMN · 14/10/2019 13:34

My friend isn't on Mumsnet but knows I am, so has asked me to post this for her. Obviously I have my own opinion, but she'd like some outsider's perspectives.

I am c&p'ing her words:

"I left my husband in June. We have two children ages 8 and 11. I left because he was emotionally abusive and controlling and after 10 years I had had enough.

However, I never wanted us to turn into a feuding couple who couldn’t communicate over the kids.

We own the house together so I agreed to keep paying half the mortgage, pay towards bills and I offered to look after our kids every day he was at work. I work full time so that means I had to make sure I work from home on those days every week.
It’s been going okayish. No major issues.

In August he met a new woman who has two little ones, around 6 and 8 I think. I genuinely have no issue with him dating as I’m not interested in him at all - but I asked him not to involve any of the children (ours or hers) Cos they met on Instagram and have known each other for about 9 weeks.

We agreed we would discuss and talk about everything but since the new girlfriend, he basically does what he likes and tells me nothing. We have shared access with kids. First time he did was tell the kids he had a new GF in September before even telling me or discussing it. I would have preferred him not to tell them yet incase it breaks down. Then last week he told them they were going to meet her soon and again, we had not discussed this and I had infact said that it’s too early and he needs to stop rushing and involving our kids. He said he had already met her kids and they are ‘going out as a family’ which raised alarm bells.

Yesterday after a lovely few days together, I took the kids back to my old house where my husband still is. Pulled up and there was a car in the drive and he was stood outside so I couldn’t pull in. He told me the new girlfriend was inside ready to meet the kids and I went absolutely berserk. I am ashamed of how angry I got with him (obviously didn’t hurt or threaten or do anything bad) but I was absolutely livid.
He gaslit me on the drive and stood calmly saying ‘what’s wrong? Why do you behave like this? What are you doing?’ Like I was in the wrong.
He never discussed this with me and so I was fuming. I told him I was going to go in there and talk to her about why she thinks that ambushing us on our way home would be appropriate. It’s my house, I still have keys.
My husband stepped in my way and said I couldn’t go in to talk to her because her kids were in there too.
That was it. I lost my shit.
Not only was he intro new GF to our kids but also the kids to each other. 9 weeks after they met. And after I have asked him to discuss this with me repeatedly.

I basically got made to look like a hysterical woman yelling for no reason. I eventually gave up because he was continually gaslighting me, wouldn’t explain why he has ambushed me or the kids like this and why he has done this without talking to me.
He says he does not need my permission or consent to do any of this and I need to back off and stop dictating to him.

He has repeatedly contacted me today to say he has done nothing wrong and that I was completely irrational.

He also keeps FaceTiming the kids with her, even from a hotel bed with her.

I need to check if other mums would have reacted the way I did. I’m starting to feel like I’m going crazy.

I just feel powerless, hopeless and just so upset he’s done this instead of talking to me about it. He has now announced that he will do what he wants with our kids and I just don’t know what to do.

I think all 4 kids are being pushed into this. She only recently left a relationship in July - got with my husband in August and now the kids have a new man in their lives and no one seems to see an issue with this other than me."

OP posts:
ChilledBee · 14/10/2019 13:43

There's not much you can do about it. I agree he is not being responsible.

Idontwanttotalk · 14/10/2019 14:11

I agree it is far too soon to introduce the DC to the ex's new gf and for her to introduce her DC to him.

Sadly, I don't think your friend can do anything about it. She'll just have to hope that her ex doesn't have too many new girlfriends.

hellsbellsmelons · 14/10/2019 14:22

You did not overreact at all.
He's an absolute prick who has no consideration what-so-ever for his kids mental well being.
Has he moved her in to YOUR house?
Why did you leave?
Is he paying half your rent?
Why are you paying half the mortgage and the bills?
That's his look out. If he can't afford the upkeep then he needs to move out and you can move back in.
I'd honestly be moving my stuff back in there.
He's taking the absolute piss, but as others have said, there is little you can do about it.
Other than...... get a solicitor to draw up a letter with rules about who is and who isn't allowed in the house.
Could be a good first step?
I'm angry on your behalf.

It's obvious why he is an Ex though.
Well done on getting rid of him.

Pinkbonbon · 14/10/2019 14:22

Just tell the kids 'daddy has a new girlfriend but it is early days so they might not last. Be kind to the nice lady'.

I agree 9 weeks is too soon but all she can do is prepare the kids as best she can. It isn't really a huge deal in the grand scheme of things. Kids aren't going to form an attachment with her in the space of a few extra months. But I would demand to meet her first to talk. Not just to see what she is like but also to show her I was a decent human and not the mental case he was making me out to be.

Zeldasmagicwand · 14/10/2019 14:23

Sorry that you're going through a hard time and struggling to co-parent effectively. It's obviously going to take quite some time and professional support to adjust to the new situation.

You need to accept that you don't have any real say in how he parents your children as he is their (shit) father. Forget about the other woman and her children. She might not last long as it's a rebound relationship for both of them.
You also need to learn to control your reactions to each distressing situation because if he's an arse, he's probably actively enjoying your outbursts and will do more stupid stuff just to elicit a reaction. Instead, focus on being the consistent parent and treat your ex cordially but offer no advice or explanations.

Also, I strongly recommend you prioritise finding a solicitor experienced in matrimonial issues and take their advice when dealing with your ex. They will have seen it all before and will likely predict a lot of his stunts designed purely to aggravate you. Having an experienced adviser on your side will help you cope.

Best of luck for the future.

TheFlis12345 · 14/10/2019 14:28

Why has she moved out and left her kids with someone abusive and controlling?!?

Whoops75 · 14/10/2019 14:31

He says he does not need my permission or consent to do any of this and I need to back off and stop dictating to him

^ This is true (unfortunately)

Your job will be to provide stability and reassure the children.

Encourage the children to tell their dad when they are happy or unhappy. Do they have a good relationship with him?

I wouldn’t engage in the shopping or skincare feedback.

brusselsprout5 · 14/10/2019 15:36

I don't think your friend is being unreasonable but it does sound as if her exH is perhaps doing most of this to get a reaction. And it's working!! It's working well!

Calm down & pretend it's his bad decision & I'd bet that relationship fizzles out quicker than a wet firework.

Maybe there is a bit of jealousy there anyway for reaction to be so extreme!? It's not the greatest situation for the kids but it's him that will come out looking the arse that he is. Good luck.

quincejamplease · 14/10/2019 15:40

This is how abusive men operate. It's about controlling you, not what's reasonable.

You give him what he wants if you engage and react.

Do the Freedom Programme coming so you can see his nonsense coming and protect yourself. Stop letting him manipulate you.

Www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

ExcitedForFuture · 14/10/2019 15:50

As much as it sucks that he's doing this, he has every right and there is nothing your friend can do about it. Shouting and loosing it while he stays calm is only going to go in his favour as he looks like the rational one and she looks nuts.

It would be nice if he would prioritise his kids but he isn't going to. Your friend needs to just keep calm and shows the DCs it isn't getting to her, for their sakes.

How he did that was awful. He may find his actions have the opposite affect and he'll push his kids away by not doing things properly.

MyFriendIsNotOnMN · 14/10/2019 21:30

Thank you for this feedback.

OP posts:
Allthematchingchristmasclothes · 15/10/2019 05:07

He has no control over who you introduce the kids to and vice versa - my ex introduces around 1 new girlfriend and their kids to our DS per year (we’ve been split 5 years), it might last - it might not kids are adaptable.

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 15/10/2019 05:28

The ex can introduce anyone to the kids. Sensible, responsible, considerate definitely not but there is nothing the friend can do except be there to pick up the pieces if (when) it all goes wrong.

I don't understand the description. Where were the children when this scene erupted?

75Renarde · 15/10/2019 05:29

Are these her words OP, or yours?

75Renarde · 15/10/2019 05:33

On not being cruel. Truly. But this is I suspect dissociation.

In answer to the original post, yeah he IS being cruel. Yes he is provoking the woman. Yes he is being an utter cunt.

More importantly, that man is abusing those children.

I'm so sorry. I'm here.

DoctorAllcome · 15/10/2019 05:41

They are his kids too.
I don’t think think 2months is too soon to introduce a Gf given the ages of the kids...they are big kids and probably have friends with divorced parents and various partners. It’s better imho that age to have a few supervised meetings because you don’t want want to get invested in
A relationship only to find that your kids hate your bf ir gf.

Your friend has a point about it not being discussed if it were true. But she also said Then last week he told them they were going to meet her soon and again, we had not discussed this and I had infact said that it’s too early and he needs to stop rushing and involving our kids. He said he had already met her kids and they are ‘going out as a family’ which raised alarm bells. which means it WAS discussed but she did not agree with her ex. This is her trying to be controlling tbh.

I think she was a bit hysterical tbf

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 15/10/2019 05:44

Are these her words OP, or yours?
Renarde the OP said she c&p (copy and pasted) her friends words so yes they are.

DoctorAllcome · 15/10/2019 05:47

@75Renarde
that man is abusing those children.

WHAT? I don’t see that anywhere. If anything, it is OPs friend that is borderline abusive by freaking out, shouting and acting like their kids meeting his GF is like a date with the clown from IT. 🤡
That’s going to make a kid scared and worried for no good reason.

Butterflyjive · 15/10/2019 05:52

It's not ideal but there's not much you can do about it. It will be far more damaging to the children witnessing their parents arguing and yelling in the street than meeting someone that may or may not become part of their lives.

Monty27 · 15/10/2019 05:54

I might have lost my shit for a minute but got back in the car and taken DC's with me.
This arrangement needs rewritten. There's not a great deal you can do sadly. Without spending a fortune in court.
Í speak from bitter experience.
You need to gather some reason and so does he more to the matter. Unless he has a fat wallet as well and years of pointless bickering Star

Monty27 · 15/10/2019 05:55

😞

75Renarde · 15/10/2019 05:55

Simmer down people and look at this logically.

Most folks have access to the internet.

Ipso facto.

I'm rooting for this woman as much as you are. It does not help if we are 'relaying stuff for a friend'.

Lets be honest. And also try to use logic rather than emotional thinking.

Again. I am here to help.

Lozzerbmc · 15/10/2019 06:01

Not irrational at all - the husband is selfish and not behaving responsibly neither is the gf. However not much you can do other than explaining to the kids it may not last!

Monty27 · 15/10/2019 06:57

The woman should respect your space. But who only knows what the DP's story has been.
They're very good at being a victim once again bitter experience

Monty27 · 15/10/2019 06:59

Sorry, should respect your friend's space I mean. I keep forgetting this is for your friend.