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Husband and female colleague

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Jlk37 · 08/10/2019 17:47

Hi folks! I'm hoping someone can help before I lose my mind.
I'll try keep this short. I'm with my husband almost 11 years, married for over 7 of those years.
9 weeks after we married my husband went out with his best friend for a few drinks. He didn't get home till 5 in the morning, which isn't like him, usually home relatively early. So I asked where he was, he said he was at his friend's house. But my gut told me otherwise, so I checked his phone when he was sleeping to find 2 missed calls and 2 messages from his friend all at approx 1.30am. These messages were begging him to go home and to remind him he's married. I felt sick when I read the messages from his friend I rang his friend the next morning, who told me my husband didn't go back to his house, he in fact went back to his ex girlfriend (home from the states on holiday) sisters house. Admitted he was all over her all night and he begged him to not get in the taxi with her, but my husband didn't listen. So armed with this I went up to my husband, woke him gently and asked him how his night was. He said oh great, and again lied saying he was at his friend's house. When I told him I know the truth, his face fell. He said nothing happened, that they were just catching up. I kicked him out for a week, I needed space. He came back crying, apologising for going to the house with her and continued to deny anything had happened. Said they just talked. But eventually admitted he found her attractive and wanted something to happen. Also admitted to flirting all night, dancing seductively and behaving like a single man. I let him back as I wanted to make our new marriage work.
It took me quite a long time to be able to build my trust in him again, but was getting it back slowly.
Then he took over as acting manager in work. Developed a strangely close relationship with another manager in a neighbouring city. Firstly, he used to say she was a pain in the behind, then suddenly she was amazing, so helpful, funny etc. She would visit his store too frequently, and each time he would talk about her a lot. Then he stopped talking about her abruptly. I noticed around this time that he was active on his work phone WhatsApp at crazy times in the morning, 7 for example, he doesn't start work rill 8.30. Asked him why he was active outside of work hours, he said he was checking messages from the day before. Seems odd to me as its something he had never done. So then I decided to keep an eye on his personal phone, and low and behold there were a lot of personal messages from this colleague. Then one selfie of her asking him to join her for a drink as she was in town for the night. He replied back saying sorry I can't with loads of crying emojis. Then not long after he went to Cork for a work training day, stayed overnight and was asked to go for dinner and drinks with this female colleague on their own, despite dozens of colleagues being at the event also. I called him not knowing he was out having drinks with her, he sounded funny so I asked can you not talk, to which he replied oh its only me and her having a drink, I asked who was going for dinner to which he nervously said just the 2 of us. I was furious. He had many colleagues there who he'd known for many years, yet he chose to spend time alone with this woman. It didn't sit well with me. So when he got home I sat him down and asked did he think it was appropriate, and to look at it from my angle. He said he went to bed early and she went to meet with other colleagues. So I asked him to show me her messages inviting him out (all on his coded work phone). He reluctantly opened their chat, lots of conversations between them, barely any work related, and many flirtatious. Then, the last whatsapp was at 10.30 from her saying 'welllllllll???????'. I questioned this, he said she needed his room number for the bill for dinner. I asked why he didn't reply, he said he called her to give it to her. Again I found this very strange. I told him it made me incredibly uncomfortable having such a relationship with a female colleague and I wasn't comfortable with it. He flew off the handle and we argued a lot about it. He simmered and then apologised stating that it was inappropriate and he did over step our boundaries.
This dented my already battered trust in him. He had lied to me before so I felt he could easily do it again.
And now. He was away on a football weekend with his brothers in England for the weekend. I was about to whatspp him early, about 6,to say safe flight, when I noticed he was on line. His brothers weren't, and he was off and on what'sapp. So, let's go back approx 2 months. Our 3 year old daughter was going through pics on his phone, then says daddy who's that? It was a selfie of his assistant manager (FYI, mid twenties, stunning looking). Immediately I asked why has he a selfie of her on his phone? He panicked and said oh look she was working late and sent it messing to me, so he opened up their WhatsApp conversations and showed me. On closer inspection, she has been messaging him about stuff outside of work, the soccer team he supports etc. Calls him 'bossman', repeatedly tells him what a wonderful boss he is, and silly stuff. Anyway, I told him it's inappropriate to send selfies to a manager, he agreed, and I laughed it off. However, I took her number from his phone, don't know why to be honest, but I did. So anyway, when I realised he was off and on WhatsApp to someone, I decided to check her status. Low and behold she was off and on at the same times. Looked to me like they were messaging each other. I berated myself and put it to the back of my mind. He has in the past few months been speaking more highly of her, yet when he first hired her he said she was annoying, sloppy at her work and immature. Now she's the bees knees.
So he's home after 4 days, our daughter was thrilled and asked to see pics of the game, he gave her the phone and she was happy looking through the match day pics. She was tapping away, and then went into his deleted pics, and again those dreaded words of mammy who's the girl? It was the selfie she had sent about 2 months ago. So I quickly checked his WhatsApp, but he had deleted his conversation with her.
I asked him why on match day did he delete this one pic, he said he deleted loads, but that's a blatant lie as only one was logged on the phone that say. Plus he would have had to scroll for ages to get the pic up as he receives a lot of WhatsApp pics. So I asked again, he choked, didn't have an answer. So I asked him to pull his conversation with her, he got tongue tied at this stage, and said ya we can check. He acted all surprised when the conversation wasn't there, it was infuriating to watch as he's a terrible actor. So I asked why while he was on a boys wkend did he feel the need to delete his conversation with her. He said he didn't, he must have done it before. I pointed out that on his WhatsApp, when you go to delete a conversation, its automatically set to delete media also. He started getting verbally abusive, os I left with my daughter for the evening.
When I put her to bed, I calmly asked him did he want to talk about it so we could clear it up air. He immediately went on the defensive, started saying I'm accusing him of having an affair. I never once said I anyway like that, simply I wanted an explanation. Then he said ya I deleted the conversation last wk as I was sick of seeing her every time I opened WhatsApp. Bullshit i reckon. Why I asked was there a sudden issue seeing her on it, he said he didn't want her on his personal phone. Yet they had exchanged many messages over a long period of time. So why suddenly is he not OK with it and deleting everything? So I asked again about the picture, he said he deleted it as he knew I didn't like it being on his phone. I queried why he left it 2 months to delete it, and why did it even enter his mind while away with the lads. Again he got verbally abusive and I could not talk to him as he was being nasty and insulting me. He even told me if I wanted to leave him then I could fxxk off and go. I have a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that he's hiding something. Maybe they were messaging and something inappropriate was said and he panicked and deleted everything. But if that's the case why can't he just tell me, my heads all over the place.
Have i something to be worried about, and how do I approach it with him without it blowing up in my face

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DBML · 08/10/2019 18:00

He’s a cheat op. I’m really sorry.

Pinkmonkeybird · 08/10/2019 18:02

Trust your instincts, that's all I can say. Too many red flags in what you have written. There is more than likely something going on, but you will never get to the bottom of it. He is following the script that many others do. It's up to you now to be honest. You either carry on always on edge that he's up to something or end the relationship as he will carry o regardless with this OW.

lazylinguist · 08/10/2019 18:05

Your husband is a cheat and, by the sounds of it, has probably been a cheat throughout your marriage. I would be making plans to separate.

Duchessgummybuns · 08/10/2019 18:10

Sounds like he’s cheating, and now he knows you’re onto him, it’ll be hard to find proof. Sorry OP

Windmillwhirl · 08/10/2019 18:11

As others have said he's a cheat,pure and simple.

I know this must be really difficult, but do you ever think you could trust him with so many lies?

Surely you don't want to spend the rest of your life turning yourself inside out with anxiety when he's away.

He has no respect for you or your vows at all.

Jingers5 · 08/10/2019 18:15

Sounds like he could be a serial cheat. I would railroad him, sorry for you.

YankeeSocks · 08/10/2019 18:16

Bloody hell, how exhausting. Couldn't read and run. Leave him OP. He is a cheat and will never change.

Lightinthedark · 08/10/2019 18:18

Why are you accepting breadcrumbs of excuses from this man, he doesn't sound like he has any real respect for you and in my experience, when a man becomes defensive is because they are lying. What does he have to admit to before you realise your worth? Admit he cheats? Because you will never get him to admit, never. The only time a man admits his faults is when he is genuinely remorseful, your dear other is having fun and a lot of it too. What advice would he give is daughter if her oh did this? Ask him.

ConfCall · 08/10/2019 18:21

I am so sorry OP. This one is the latest of many affair partners, and she will not be the last. Time to take legal advice.

Chlosavxox · 08/10/2019 18:33

He isn’t even worth your time. Obviously there’s no proof he’s ‘physically’ cheated but it’s very blatant he isn’t a loyal man, maybe the first time you could think everyone makes mistakes but 3 circumstances where he’s been sneaky? Nah he’d be out if that was me. I feel for you ❤️

ohmysoul · 08/10/2019 18:35

He is not worth any of this stress. Sounds like a cheat to me! All of this nonsense he's telling you about deleting stuff at weird times doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense chances are it's not true.

Mintlegs · 08/10/2019 18:37

They do this because they are cowards and can’t face up to what they have done. They want their cake and to eat it. They make out you are mad for even thinking such a thing. It’s a script. When it comes out, it will be all your fault for not doing this or that and he was looking elsewhere for it. What is it going to take for you to read between the lines. Some partners need good solid proof (private investigator or a friend carrying out surveillance) ?other people slowly have their own self esteem depleted and are worried to death and full of anxiety about what they perceive to be happening but can’t quite believe it. If you need more proof, play your cards close to your chest, pretend you have accepted his lies, get your finances sorted. Watch and wait, surveillance, tracker anything to get your proof. You may then be able to move on and show your daughter that they need not put up with this carry on from any future partners. It’s awful for you xx

Jlk37 · 08/10/2019 18:46

I'm sitting in my car about to leave work and I feel sick, so sick. I haven't been able to eat all day. And I'm missing out on precious time with my daughter before she goes to bed. The thought of having to be under the same roof as him makes my skin crawl

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Aquamarine1029 · 08/10/2019 18:52

Why do you even have to ask? What else do you need to know? How much more proof would you possibly want? He's cheating and he's been cheating on you for years, undoubtedly before you were even married. Haven't you wasted enough time on him?

Elmer83 · 08/10/2019 19:18

Leave him. You will also leave with your dignity. Don’t wait for him to decide when it’s over...or when he leaves for OW. He is not trustworthy. Everything you’ve wrote above screams that he has no respect for you or the marriage. So it’s time for you to show him...you’re not here to played. It will be so hard but you will feel stronger for it. I promise you xxx

Elmer83 · 08/10/2019 19:18

Ps: Also big hugs. Xxx

Mrsboombastic99 · 08/10/2019 19:19

He's proven himself a liar time and time again. Is this really how you want to live? Constantly looking over your shoulder? He's abusive to you and has no respect. I'm sorry OP it's a really shitty situation to be in but you and your daughter deserve better.

Windydaysuponus · 08/10/2019 19:23

I would be turning up at his work. Watch them squirm.
Check his bags /drawers for condoms. Bank statements for gifts etc.

Livelikejackandsally · 08/10/2019 19:31

Get more evidence. Keep it all.
Search everything.
Then speak to a solicitor
Get more advice on how to put yourself in a powerful position
File for divorce

Your kids seeing photos of young women on his phone
She doesn't need to grow up with that shit

Hope you're ok - you'll get through this

PositiveVibez · 08/10/2019 19:34

He even told me if I wanted to leave him then I could fxxk off and go

No. You don't leave. He's the cheat. He needs to go.

Mermaidsinthesand · 08/10/2019 19:37

I only read half your post, it was just repeating the same thing him cheating but different scenarios

What more do you need to know OP, he will keep doing this and you'll keep forgiving him

Ellapaella · 08/10/2019 19:40

How old are you both op? He doesn't sound like he wants to commit to a relationship and still wants to have the single life.
He is a selfish arse and you deserve better. I guarantee you will be suspicious of him forever now, the trust has gone. This will eat away at you.

Jlk37 · 08/10/2019 20:01

He wants a nice clean home, cooked meals and clean clothes and to also shit all over me and the life I've built. He is 40 and I'm 37,old enough one would imagine to have cop on

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Jlk37 · 08/10/2019 20:02

Thanks ❤️

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WelcomeToShootingStars · 08/10/2019 20:07

I very rarely comment on anything like this as I find the responses can be a bit hysterical.

However, he's absolutely taking the piss out of you. Flirting with a woman all night and then going back to her house, just the 2 of them? Do you really think they just had a brew and a chat?

He must have a reputation for being an utter sleaze at work too. He honestly sounds awful. I've always had a bit of banter with people I work with, but what he's doing is having affairs, emotional at the very least.

It's like he has a craving for attention. You'll never make him stop as he thinks he's too smart to be properly caught and you swallow his ridiculous lies.

Best of luck OP. If I were in your shoes I'd quietly make plans for splitting.