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Husband and female colleague

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Jlk37 · 08/10/2019 17:47

Hi folks! I'm hoping someone can help before I lose my mind.
I'll try keep this short. I'm with my husband almost 11 years, married for over 7 of those years.
9 weeks after we married my husband went out with his best friend for a few drinks. He didn't get home till 5 in the morning, which isn't like him, usually home relatively early. So I asked where he was, he said he was at his friend's house. But my gut told me otherwise, so I checked his phone when he was sleeping to find 2 missed calls and 2 messages from his friend all at approx 1.30am. These messages were begging him to go home and to remind him he's married. I felt sick when I read the messages from his friend I rang his friend the next morning, who told me my husband didn't go back to his house, he in fact went back to his ex girlfriend (home from the states on holiday) sisters house. Admitted he was all over her all night and he begged him to not get in the taxi with her, but my husband didn't listen. So armed with this I went up to my husband, woke him gently and asked him how his night was. He said oh great, and again lied saying he was at his friend's house. When I told him I know the truth, his face fell. He said nothing happened, that they were just catching up. I kicked him out for a week, I needed space. He came back crying, apologising for going to the house with her and continued to deny anything had happened. Said they just talked. But eventually admitted he found her attractive and wanted something to happen. Also admitted to flirting all night, dancing seductively and behaving like a single man. I let him back as I wanted to make our new marriage work.
It took me quite a long time to be able to build my trust in him again, but was getting it back slowly.
Then he took over as acting manager in work. Developed a strangely close relationship with another manager in a neighbouring city. Firstly, he used to say she was a pain in the behind, then suddenly she was amazing, so helpful, funny etc. She would visit his store too frequently, and each time he would talk about her a lot. Then he stopped talking about her abruptly. I noticed around this time that he was active on his work phone WhatsApp at crazy times in the morning, 7 for example, he doesn't start work rill 8.30. Asked him why he was active outside of work hours, he said he was checking messages from the day before. Seems odd to me as its something he had never done. So then I decided to keep an eye on his personal phone, and low and behold there were a lot of personal messages from this colleague. Then one selfie of her asking him to join her for a drink as she was in town for the night. He replied back saying sorry I can't with loads of crying emojis. Then not long after he went to Cork for a work training day, stayed overnight and was asked to go for dinner and drinks with this female colleague on their own, despite dozens of colleagues being at the event also. I called him not knowing he was out having drinks with her, he sounded funny so I asked can you not talk, to which he replied oh its only me and her having a drink, I asked who was going for dinner to which he nervously said just the 2 of us. I was furious. He had many colleagues there who he'd known for many years, yet he chose to spend time alone with this woman. It didn't sit well with me. So when he got home I sat him down and asked did he think it was appropriate, and to look at it from my angle. He said he went to bed early and she went to meet with other colleagues. So I asked him to show me her messages inviting him out (all on his coded work phone). He reluctantly opened their chat, lots of conversations between them, barely any work related, and many flirtatious. Then, the last whatsapp was at 10.30 from her saying 'welllllllll???????'. I questioned this, he said she needed his room number for the bill for dinner. I asked why he didn't reply, he said he called her to give it to her. Again I found this very strange. I told him it made me incredibly uncomfortable having such a relationship with a female colleague and I wasn't comfortable with it. He flew off the handle and we argued a lot about it. He simmered and then apologised stating that it was inappropriate and he did over step our boundaries.
This dented my already battered trust in him. He had lied to me before so I felt he could easily do it again.
And now. He was away on a football weekend with his brothers in England for the weekend. I was about to whatspp him early, about 6,to say safe flight, when I noticed he was on line. His brothers weren't, and he was off and on what'sapp. So, let's go back approx 2 months. Our 3 year old daughter was going through pics on his phone, then says daddy who's that? It was a selfie of his assistant manager (FYI, mid twenties, stunning looking). Immediately I asked why has he a selfie of her on his phone? He panicked and said oh look she was working late and sent it messing to me, so he opened up their WhatsApp conversations and showed me. On closer inspection, she has been messaging him about stuff outside of work, the soccer team he supports etc. Calls him 'bossman', repeatedly tells him what a wonderful boss he is, and silly stuff. Anyway, I told him it's inappropriate to send selfies to a manager, he agreed, and I laughed it off. However, I took her number from his phone, don't know why to be honest, but I did. So anyway, when I realised he was off and on WhatsApp to someone, I decided to check her status. Low and behold she was off and on at the same times. Looked to me like they were messaging each other. I berated myself and put it to the back of my mind. He has in the past few months been speaking more highly of her, yet when he first hired her he said she was annoying, sloppy at her work and immature. Now she's the bees knees.
So he's home after 4 days, our daughter was thrilled and asked to see pics of the game, he gave her the phone and she was happy looking through the match day pics. She was tapping away, and then went into his deleted pics, and again those dreaded words of mammy who's the girl? It was the selfie she had sent about 2 months ago. So I quickly checked his WhatsApp, but he had deleted his conversation with her.
I asked him why on match day did he delete this one pic, he said he deleted loads, but that's a blatant lie as only one was logged on the phone that say. Plus he would have had to scroll for ages to get the pic up as he receives a lot of WhatsApp pics. So I asked again, he choked, didn't have an answer. So I asked him to pull his conversation with her, he got tongue tied at this stage, and said ya we can check. He acted all surprised when the conversation wasn't there, it was infuriating to watch as he's a terrible actor. So I asked why while he was on a boys wkend did he feel the need to delete his conversation with her. He said he didn't, he must have done it before. I pointed out that on his WhatsApp, when you go to delete a conversation, its automatically set to delete media also. He started getting verbally abusive, os I left with my daughter for the evening.
When I put her to bed, I calmly asked him did he want to talk about it so we could clear it up air. He immediately went on the defensive, started saying I'm accusing him of having an affair. I never once said I anyway like that, simply I wanted an explanation. Then he said ya I deleted the conversation last wk as I was sick of seeing her every time I opened WhatsApp. Bullshit i reckon. Why I asked was there a sudden issue seeing her on it, he said he didn't want her on his personal phone. Yet they had exchanged many messages over a long period of time. So why suddenly is he not OK with it and deleting everything? So I asked again about the picture, he said he deleted it as he knew I didn't like it being on his phone. I queried why he left it 2 months to delete it, and why did it even enter his mind while away with the lads. Again he got verbally abusive and I could not talk to him as he was being nasty and insulting me. He even told me if I wanted to leave him then I could fxxk off and go. I have a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that he's hiding something. Maybe they were messaging and something inappropriate was said and he panicked and deleted everything. But if that's the case why can't he just tell me, my heads all over the place.
Have i something to be worried about, and how do I approach it with him without it blowing up in my face

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totallyoutnumbered · 08/10/2019 20:33

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Have been there and got several Tshirts unfortunately. I totally agree with the other posters. He's blatantly never been faithful and thinks he's invincible. You're little one can't grow up in such an environment. I can't imagine for a second that she isn't picking up on her Mummy being vulnerable and sad. Children don't have to be exposed to shouting to know that things aren't happy in their home. You're so young. Plenty of time to start over ahain and live a life where you don't have to look over your shoulder, constantly worrying about him. I left my husband at your age, started again and sleep so soundly with sll that stomach churning anxiety a distant memory. I hope you take good legal advice and kick his arse out. He's a wrong un as my late Gran would say and you and your daughter deserve so much more xxx

Ellapaella · 08/10/2019 20:34

Totally agree with @WelcomeToShootingStars
He loves the attention and adoration of these women and that is who he is. He won't change. I'm sorry OP, this is shit for you but I hope you find the inner strength to leave him behind and find the life you deserve.

areyoubeingserviced · 08/10/2019 20:37

He’s a serial cheat Op
Are you prepared to live the rest of your life like this?

Rose87777 · 08/10/2019 20:39

He is insulting your intelligence coming out with all this BS about why he has deleted stuff. I’m so sorry OP but I think he’s a cheat or walking a very dangerous line

Jlk37 · 08/10/2019 21:24

Thank you. My daughter doesn't deserve this, nor do I. I've been lying to myself trying to reason his bullshit over the years, but I can't live my life waiting for the next incident, always questioning myself. I'll be ok, I just need to remember I've faced a lot worse in my life and come out the other side. X

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MadeForThis · 08/10/2019 21:25

He's a cheat. Even his friend wouldn't cover up for him. He's obviously known for this.

He's been inappropriate with at least 2 work colleagues.

You don't need to gather evidence or catch him out. Just ask him to leave.

something2say · 08/10/2019 21:26

I'm sorry to hear this sorry tale too. Hes a player and his behaviour when out is atrocious. He lies to you and thinks you were born yesterday. He'll end up a sad aging lothario with a string of non relationships behind him. My dad was like that. I hope you manage to extricate without too much pain xxx

Stephminx · 08/10/2019 21:32

Nothing to add - just leave !

firelightbright · 08/10/2019 21:35

Another one saying leave him, you'll never be able to trust him.

doublebarrellednurse · 08/10/2019 21:41

All of this sounds painfully familiar, he's cheating or at least loving the attention and flattery, either way he's crossing boundaries.

Sorry.

totallyoutnumbered · 08/10/2019 21:47

Do you have support from a friend or family? Please open up to them. Going through this alone is really tough. There's nothing to feel embarrassed about. You wanted to believe that he'd fix his ways I imagine. The thing is he won't and now he's gaslighting you. You can and will recover from this but please reach out so you're not alone. When i finally did it was the start of my new life. He's just not good enough for you and your girl xxx

Nicecupofcoco · 08/10/2019 22:04

Op he's a cheat! Take your daughter and leave him. You both deserve so much more. If you stay he will continue to hurt you!

Jlk37 · 08/10/2019 22:06

Yes I'm lucky that I've close supportive friends and family that I can lean on. I've decided I have to finally admit to myself that while I've no solid proof of physical affairs, there have certainly been plenty emotional ones and lots of ego massages along the way for him. I'm thinking of my little girl, and what advice I'd give to her. It would be the door

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HRMumness · 08/10/2019 22:10

OP, you need to ask not if he has cheated but is this acceptable to you? and you know the answer to that. It's bloody awful. Please leave.

My STBXH cheated. He gaslighted me for months, then played the pick me dance, then came back and then left again. This didn't just hurt me, it hurt our two young daughters terribly. I wish I had never let him come back even once. Setting a good example for your daughter that no one should treat you like this is the best thing you can do right now. You don't deserve any of this, this is all on him. I'm so sorry OP. Please look up Chump Lady - I found that a real help.

ELM8 · 08/10/2019 22:27

I was with someone like this and really sorry you're going through it. Trust your gut - you know he's been up to no good.

It's easier to draw a line under it when you have concrete proof but that would mean wasting more of your time with this guy and waiting longer to rebuild yourself a much better life.

From your posts it's obvious you're making your mind up, now you just need to take a deep breath and do what you have to do. Good luck, you deserve better. Thanks

totallyoutnumbered · 08/10/2019 22:35

You don't need solid proof. He makes you feel lousy. A good man and a good father wouldn't do this to the mother of his child. End of. No better reason to leave. With the great support network you have, you can get back on your feet and be happier without him in your life. Like a previous poster says; this is no reflection on you, not your fault. You can control the outcome here and carve a happy and secure future for yourself and your daughter. Time to start getting those ducks in a row but keep schtum until you know where you stand. He should be the one to leave and has to support you with his child. However from how you've described his gaslighting ways you need to expect him to behave like a twat in separation. Keep your powder dry OP. You can do this xx

2018anewstart · 08/10/2019 23:18

I so feel for you going through this but I think you have already answered the question yourself "what would you tell your daughters to do".Someone said the same to me once.
He is treating you like dirt walk away with your head held high.
When I finally told my xh to leave after years of lying I don't think he could believe it. (It was the 2nd time I asked him to leave but this time there was no turning back and he knew it).
All the years of anxiety have drifted away and after another year of hell going through the divorce. I am back to the old me and I've gained my life back and what I have lost-a cheat and a liar.
I've been where you are it's the worse feeling in the world but the day you ask him to leave you will on day 1 of a new and better life. Xxx

Lindylooboo · 08/10/2019 23:33

He has cheated, he is cheating and he will cheat again. You can stay or you can go, but he is a cheater. So sorry for you and your daughter. But don't waste any more of your life on this one.

WhenPushComesToShove · 09/10/2019 00:08

Every single thing about this says he has been/is cheating. Just enjoy the look on his face when you tell to leave. The bas...d thinks he can continue to get away with treating you like this and it will come as a shock to him when he realises that you actually mean it when you say it's over. Best of luck

JustaAggie · 09/10/2019 07:11

He’s cheating. Sorry OP

coffeechoc · 09/10/2019 07:42

Urghh. I agree with others he is enjoying the attention/flirting and being disrespectful to you. He is going to lose a lot OP. One of the reasons I'm single as so many attached me have tried this with me, I shut it down immediately. Awful behaviour. I'm sorry OP. Be dignified and dont waste your life wondering what hes up to Flowers

PixieDustt · 09/10/2019 08:09

I agree with PP's he has probably been cheating, sorry OP.
Get rid he sounds like a dirty creep. You must be driving yourself crazy with the constant checking up and wondering what he is doing.
Leave with your head held high and move on with your life with your daughter.
All the best x

beachandcocktails · 09/10/2019 08:11

I read a lot of posts like this on here and often think it could be innocent and that some people are far too quick to jump to the cheating conclusion. However there were SO many red flags in your post, I'm pretty sure he's probably physically cheated at some point but even if he hasn't, he's absolutely crossed the line. He's gaslighting you and utterly taking the piss, I'm so sorry. Like others have said - you don't need physical proof. Trust your instinct. You and your daughter deserve a lot better x

ukgift2016 · 09/10/2019 08:18

People can work on marriages when cheating happens but in your case it seems to be a pattern of behaviour and he doesn't seem truly remorseful.

I agree with the other posters that if you stayed, you would have to put up with him always keeping his eye out for 'the bit on the side'

Jlk37 · 09/10/2019 11:48

So I decided to go for legal separation, he won't leave the house unfortunately, but I'm making an appointment to meet with a solicitor to see where I stand. In the meantime, I'm going to concentrate as much as I can on myself and my daughter. He is ignoring me completely, the usual behaviour when I catch him out on something fishy. I'm not doing this anymore, I deserve better than to be always wondering and looking over my shoulder. Thanks for the advice ladies, onwards and upwards

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