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Is my friend abusive?

33 replies

Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:14

This could end up being a long rant, but I will try to not give TOO many details. Basically I have had this friend, let's call her Diane, for around 15 years. I first got to know her when I worked behind a bar, she would come in with her friends for lunch and we got chatting and met up for coffee and clicked.

We would see each other maybe once every three weeks on average, sometimes a lot less, it would depend a lot on family and work commitments. But we do talk a lot on the phone.

Over the past two to three years I have spent much more time with her and we have had more of a social life together. For the most part it is good and it is fun. But then she can really become quite cold, it's almost as if she flips and decides that she cannot be bothered with what I am saying or spending what she seems to define as her precious time listening to me or to other people. Listening, sharing and caring, though, are kind of prerequisites for most friendships. Or so I thought.

Some examples. We were out with a mutual friend for coffee. Mutual friend has fibromyalgia and another chronic fatigue problem, and I had read some useful information about it. So I was busy sharing that with her and mutual friend was very interested. Diane suddenly shouts, in the middle of me talking "OMG I was sunbathing naked in the garden and the neighbour SAW ME!!! OMG what do you think about THAT???"

We just sat in shock. Really bizarre. After derailing our conversation - in which she was free to contribute something relevant - and by no means excluded - she proceeded to bang on about herself. Something she seems to be rather fond of doing, as I am discovering.

She has also complained about this mutual friend behind her back and called her whiney, entitled and negative.

Last week I was really sick with a nasty bug and told her. We were talking on the phone. She changed the subject, spent half an hour complaining about her family, then talking about herself and how she needed to focus on herself more, then said she had been on the phone too long and had to go.

I did not hear from her for over a week. She did not ask me how I was, did I need anything, nothing.

By the way, she has zero commitments, no children, and does not work. Increasingly, I am noticing that the minute I bring anything up that is remotely negative, she shuts me down. The other day she did this as I was talking about a job offer which is really important to me and I have to make some major decisions. Actually a positive... But I have to fulfill specific requirements. As I was right in the middle of telling her about it, she shouted "ARGHHHH MY KEYYYYYYYYYYYYYS WHERE DID I PUT THEM ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..... oh THERE they are". Then started going on about something else... then stopped and said "Sorry, what was it you were saying?"

Variations of the above have happened so often, that I have started to pull back from telling her anything about my life. I have also noticed that she is crude and always turning every conversation around to either sex or something sex-related. She seems to want to cheapen every interaction using the word shag all the time. She also seems to think that everything can be resolved and attracted merely by simply positive thinking instead of getting off your arse and taking action.

I think the last straws came when I gave her birthday gifts and she did not thank me for them. She has not even mentioned them. I spent quite a lot of money (more fool me). Recently she also borrowed an expensive and rather beautiful book from me and has denied that I ever loaned it to her.

We had talked about taking a holiday together. There is no way I could face two days with her now, never mind a week - but we were on the phone and had spent over an hour with me searching for a deal because she is not computer literate. She announced she was "fed up, it should not be THIS hard, its doing my head in AND I spend FAR too much time on the phone and my evening is gone AGAIN. I realise I need this time for MYSELF if I am going to change my life". WTAF??

Whether this is abuse or not, there is something mentally wrong with this person. I guess I just wanted confirmation that I am not being unreasonable in wanting nothing more to do with her.

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Runningmyultra · 08/10/2019 14:18

I think you need to take a big step backwards, she's got far too complacent with your company. I've been in similar situations myself and the friendship feels as though it has run its course, sad but sometimes the truth.

Aquamarine1029 · 08/10/2019 14:20

She's either a narcissist or an arsehole, but probably a combination of both. I wouldn't be bothered with her, I can tell you that. She's no friend.

Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:20

Thank you. You're right.

I used to wonder why both her previous partners upped and left her. I guess she did the same to them. Without assuming.

I feel taken for granted. Going to look for my own trip now.

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hellsbellsmelons · 08/10/2019 14:22

I realise I need this time for MYSELF if I am going to change my life
Yes you do. And so do I - and my life will no longer have you in it.
Bye!!!!

Honestly.... what is the point of her?
She brings nothing positive to your life.
You know what to do - cut her out!

RiftGibbon · 08/10/2019 14:23

I don't think she's abusive, I think she's self-centred and rude. I don't think there's anything wrong mentally, I think she has no interest in anyone other than herself.
Don't chase her up for contact - although you may want to try to get your book back. Just slowly back away.

Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:26

hellbellsmelons YESSSSSSSSSS I love it

I left her a voicemail to the effect of have a lovely peaceful time, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

A polite fuck off

She is actually a taker and I have never noticed it until I started spending much more time with her. I suspect also a narcissist the way she bangs on about how attractive and wrinkle-free she is and criticises other people, could "NEVER date someone fat".. bloody hell no wonder she had no social life before.... and now I understand why she has recently left two clubs she was a member of because "they never speak to me". They were fed up with her!!!

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Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:27

The book she still claims she never had in the first place.

God knows what happened to it. It is still in print, so I can replace it.

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Apolloanddaphne · 08/10/2019 14:30

She is no friend. Good riddance!

Cherrypicker01 · 08/10/2019 14:31

Oh wow.

I had a friend like this (I use the world friend loosely). One day she went too far and I stood up to her and she flipped, wouldn’t accept responsibility for her actions, called me a C word Hmm

And then proceeded to scorn me through message. I was driving home at the time and left the messages open, they kept coming through, I didn’t reply of course as I was driving. By the time I’d gotten home shed full on ended the friendship because I was ‘ignoring her’ for the half hour I never replied and she led done me a favour of a lifetime and finished the friendship herself Grin

Are friends like this worth having around? Really? Ask yourself what the point of your relationship with her is

Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:34

She brings nothing to my life really.

Spending time with someone who won't even listen to a fucking word I say if it's "too negative" is a waste of my precious time on this planet.

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Babyg1995 · 08/10/2019 14:34

AbusiveConfused no she's not abusive. All about herself yes.cut her out your life I had friend like this I stopped even answering the phone to her better off doing it now as it will wear you down.

Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:34

This says it all...

Is my friend abusive?
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Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:38

Yes, everything has to be about her, her wonderful home, garden, her wonderful complexion and how everyone thinks she looks 30 and she is actually 58... on and on and on... it never ends. I sometimes think I could actually tell her, oh, this morning I fell off a cliff and she would proceed to tell me that the postman tried to cop off with her.

And woe betide anyone who disagrees or whom she deems to look too attractive ("BITCH"), anyone who actually expects her to do some work for a living, or do something for SOMEONE else.....

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WheelDecide · 08/10/2019 14:45

Fifty eight and still carrying on like that?

Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 15:00

Yep... like a self-obsessed teen

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SallyWD · 08/10/2019 15:01

She's very self centred and rude. She gets bored and agitated if ever someone is talking about themselves. She doesn't seem to be capable of being a supportive, caring friend.

Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 15:10

I think she like to blame others for not achieving anything in life. Her siblings and elderly parents, she is switching off the phone because dealing with family problems is preventing her from achieving anything good in her life.

I spend too long on the phone to her is obviously another one.

Apparently all us people with our problems and dare we mention them, even if we have solutions, are stopping her from having a good life.

Thank you everyone. I was right the first time about her. The disappearing book. The snide remarks about my figure (obviously jealousy), calling me a bitch for looking slim, for having a relationship at one point, for travelling, doing stuff. I think she has latched onto me as a way of helping her do things and get out.

God she actually reminds me of my ex bf in some ways. The selfishness and catty remarks. The huge sense of entitlement that life owes them something while they sit around and do fuck all and give fuck all back.

I am angry now for wasting MY precious time on her!!!

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Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 15:15

Interesting article:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/signs-your-friend-is-a-narcissist_us_5b311e0ae4b00295f15f716e

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TateWorm · 08/10/2019 15:33

I had a Diane in my life. Unfriending her was the most freeing thing I've ever done, it was amazing to find the peace I had without her and years later I still don't regret it, just wish I had done it sooner. The speaking about me behind my back was the final straw after years of similar "me-me-me" stuff from her (and constantly denying she was talking about people when she was ever called out on it). According to mutual friends she still doesn't know what she did wrong despite being told why by more than one person. I don't care anymore.

Geogaddi · 08/10/2019 17:26

I had something similar happen a few years ago. Someone i worked with wanted to make it in the design world and so i showed her how to use Photoshop/Illustrator. She wanted to meet me all the time to tell me how well she was doing. Problem was, when we talked about me it was very patronising and negative. I came home every time feeling so down and fed up.

Last straw came when her Boyf who had never had a job in his life told me I was lazy even though i was doing two jobs and two internship. So i backed the hell away. The worst part of this is that she's now doing very well but it's virtually impossible for me to be happy for her which doesn't make me feel particularly great about myself.

Gemma1971 · 12/10/2019 21:53

Good grief... it seems to have all come to a head.

Despite wanting her space from phone conversations, she seems to have never stopped calling. I have been busy and not taking her calls.

Today she was ringing as I headed out to an appointment. Left a couple of messages calling me the "Scarlet Pimpernel". WTAF. Because I am not at her beck and call and have shit to do that does not involve her? Plus she said she was going to switch her phone OFF?

Ah but the reason is she has found the perfect hotel and holiday.... as several voicemails attest... and it is only 1000 pounds for two weeks and it is not until later on this year but what do I think and her family have been there and it is fantastic and bla bla bla...

I left her a message stating I did not have 1000 pounds to hand and that I was initially planing on a break before December. Her responses were that she was "disappointed, as she thought I had the money to hand". Only a few days ago, however, she was telling me 700 was too much...

After speaking to her, I think the whole friendship has taken its final nosedive without me even needing to say much else. After suggesting Spain... and various resorts etc.. and how one lovely thing about Spain is the olives... she made a vomiting sound and made sure I know she hates olives. And that Spain will not be hot enough. Now she is making a big deal about food, she is a super picky eater and HATES fish, will not eat steak, will not eat burgers... and HATES paella....

I suggested self-catering, that her suggestion of all-inclusive is quite ludicrous as she has no idea what will be on offer. Oh no... when she last went away over 20 years ago, there was EVERYTHING on offer in these other places and the ones I suggested ONLY offer paella and fish.

I don't think I have met anyone quite so contrary. I was engaged to a fussy eater once, but that soon changed as he was willing to try new things.

Her last message was abrupt and cold. I think she can probably tell I have had enough. She will also eat foods she claims to have a severe allergy to, then complain that she is not well... and laugh about it.

I am not dealing with someone who is right in the head, and after today, that is becoming patently clear. Her requirements are just ridiculous. Guarantee of NO rain whatsoever, no foreign foods... She would be better off going to Blackpool and eating pizza and chips washed down with some hideous pop and a few bars of bloody chocolate afterwards. The only reason she likes the idea of the hotel her family went to is the waiters serving chocolates by the pool. For all she fucking knows, she could hate everything on offer in the restaurant.

She can fuck offer there on her own then. I am done....

Thank you for letting me rant.

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IWillLockYouIn · 12/10/2019 23:17

And I bet you feel a huge relief too! She sounds exhausting and a real fun sucker. Good for you 🙂

Gemma1971 · 13/10/2019 09:42

This morning she has texted that she wants nothing less than a 5 star place and the last time she had a holiday in that kind of place it was the best food she had ever had in her life.

This was well over 20 years ago, so who knows, but if the best food in your life on holiday is yorkshire puddings, chicken, overcooked vegetables, pizza, chip, chocolate cake and ice cream, then thank goodness I never went to either of the places she visited, because that's what she eats.

It does feel like a relief. I don't think I've ever met someone quite as contrary about food, exact temperatures or anything else for that matter. But this whole thing has shown me something that I knew deep down, but was kind of avoiding facing.

She is an attention whore, even to the point of intentionally eating foods that a naturopath has told her she is allergic to, and then complaining about the symptoms. She spent 20 minutes telling me about who she "beat" last time down the gym and pool, she is VERY selfish, has zero empathy for others, is hypocritical, lazy, entitled and super vain.

She has done me a huge favour. From today onwards, I am giving her zero minutes of my time. I have a busy life and my free time is precious. It does not need to be taken up by her endless monologues about the same fucking things, bragging, infinite discussion and criticisms of foods.... arghhhhhh... I think I am angry at myself for allowing it for this long. And she reminds me of my ex actually.

I need to have better boundaries and be much more careful about who I allow into my personal space from now on.

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IWillLockYouIn · 13/10/2019 19:21

Do you think she even realises that you have had enough?

Gemma1971 · 13/10/2019 19:30

Well if she doesn't, she will soon find out....

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