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Is my friend abusive?

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Gemma1971 · 08/10/2019 14:14

This could end up being a long rant, but I will try to not give TOO many details. Basically I have had this friend, let's call her Diane, for around 15 years. I first got to know her when I worked behind a bar, she would come in with her friends for lunch and we got chatting and met up for coffee and clicked.

We would see each other maybe once every three weeks on average, sometimes a lot less, it would depend a lot on family and work commitments. But we do talk a lot on the phone.

Over the past two to three years I have spent much more time with her and we have had more of a social life together. For the most part it is good and it is fun. But then she can really become quite cold, it's almost as if she flips and decides that she cannot be bothered with what I am saying or spending what she seems to define as her precious time listening to me or to other people. Listening, sharing and caring, though, are kind of prerequisites for most friendships. Or so I thought.

Some examples. We were out with a mutual friend for coffee. Mutual friend has fibromyalgia and another chronic fatigue problem, and I had read some useful information about it. So I was busy sharing that with her and mutual friend was very interested. Diane suddenly shouts, in the middle of me talking "OMG I was sunbathing naked in the garden and the neighbour SAW ME!!! OMG what do you think about THAT???"

We just sat in shock. Really bizarre. After derailing our conversation - in which she was free to contribute something relevant - and by no means excluded - she proceeded to bang on about herself. Something she seems to be rather fond of doing, as I am discovering.

She has also complained about this mutual friend behind her back and called her whiney, entitled and negative.

Last week I was really sick with a nasty bug and told her. We were talking on the phone. She changed the subject, spent half an hour complaining about her family, then talking about herself and how she needed to focus on herself more, then said she had been on the phone too long and had to go.

I did not hear from her for over a week. She did not ask me how I was, did I need anything, nothing.

By the way, she has zero commitments, no children, and does not work. Increasingly, I am noticing that the minute I bring anything up that is remotely negative, she shuts me down. The other day she did this as I was talking about a job offer which is really important to me and I have to make some major decisions. Actually a positive... But I have to fulfill specific requirements. As I was right in the middle of telling her about it, she shouted "ARGHHHH MY KEYYYYYYYYYYYYYS WHERE DID I PUT THEM ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..... oh THERE they are". Then started going on about something else... then stopped and said "Sorry, what was it you were saying?"

Variations of the above have happened so often, that I have started to pull back from telling her anything about my life. I have also noticed that she is crude and always turning every conversation around to either sex or something sex-related. She seems to want to cheapen every interaction using the word shag all the time. She also seems to think that everything can be resolved and attracted merely by simply positive thinking instead of getting off your arse and taking action.

I think the last straws came when I gave her birthday gifts and she did not thank me for them. She has not even mentioned them. I spent quite a lot of money (more fool me). Recently she also borrowed an expensive and rather beautiful book from me and has denied that I ever loaned it to her.

We had talked about taking a holiday together. There is no way I could face two days with her now, never mind a week - but we were on the phone and had spent over an hour with me searching for a deal because she is not computer literate. She announced she was "fed up, it should not be THIS hard, its doing my head in AND I spend FAR too much time on the phone and my evening is gone AGAIN. I realise I need this time for MYSELF if I am going to change my life". WTAF??

Whether this is abuse or not, there is something mentally wrong with this person. I guess I just wanted confirmation that I am not being unreasonable in wanting nothing more to do with her.

OP posts:
Gemma1971 · 21/10/2019 10:30

Quick update.... she contacted me, she apparently had not been well at all. She really needs medical intervention, but is refusing it. The refusal to get help is quite common. I told her that until the issue is resolved, she should not be thinking about going anywhere at all. She sounded happy and said she was fine and was going to resolve it without any help at all, even though what is happening to her is very serious and could be fatal. She told me she had not even bothered to look at any information I had sent her.

We had a conversation about various things. I didn't express any of my feelings of upset. I decided to let it all go, including the friendship generally, but rather than a dramatic it's all over kind of gesture, to just gently drop it.

She asked how I was the other day. There have been two deaths in my family over the past week. I sent her a message letting her know what had happened. I was feeling upset... but reaching out to her was WRONG. She has ignored those messages and yet I can see her faffing around on Facebook, posting videos and quotes.

So I really get it this time. I really do. I should not expect someone who truly only sees herself to care about me losing anyone from my life. This is not a person I can rely on for anything. Time to block all communications online and her phone number.

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hellsbellsmelons · 21/10/2019 13:43

Well I seriously hope you do just that OP.
I'm so sorry for your losses.
I hope you have some good support around you.

Pinkbonbon · 21/10/2019 13:49

Yeah op your friend is a narcissist as others have said.

Not.your.friend. Get shot. Good luck!

dontgobaconmyheart · 21/10/2019 14:04

Confused No she's not abusive OP, just self centred and lacks social skills it seems like. You seem to hate absolutely everything about her anyway OP as you've listed it again and again here at any opportunity in great detail and actually are doing quite a few of the things on here that you're accusing her of.

It doesn't have to be some big thing, you don't like her, just cool the friendship- it's no less catty to go online behind her back and assassinate every last bit of her character and everything she doesn't do for you in mocking and derogatory ways. She has said she is very ill and you're still doing it and talking about what she doesn't do for you. It just sounds like a bad pairing.

Of course her behaviour sounds annoying and I'd have not been friends with her but expect but what is the point of all this? If you're so much more positive than her why waste time on it, or be dramatically blocking people just say to her that the friendship isn't benefitting anyone and move on. Stop wasting her time while she looks for holidays making out the issue now is money- just tell her you aren't going instead and it's done.

As an aside OP you may mean well but any ill person will probably tell you that it's often the opposite of helpful having someone rock up and tell them what they know about your illness or what they have read. Being seriously and chronically unwell is very difficult and the internet is not a reliable indicator of what it's like to have one or how to fix one, peoples experiences and treatment are a huge variable. I'd have shut that conversation down too, and I'm sure I've 'seemed interested' many times while enduring one.

Not everything has to be justified in order to make us feel that there is something wrong with the other person, instead of diagnosing her as a narcissist- you can't, unless you are a psychologist who has a detailed education of it and is treating her clinically-maybe they're just not very mature or pleasant and so you just end it and stop thinking about it.

PepsiLola · 21/10/2019 14:11

Why are you still answering and texting her?

At most your test should be that you're taking a step back from the friendship.

I would suggest that you and your friend with a chronic illness meet up, sounds like she was enjoying talking to you and this friend ruined that.

Your friend sounds draining

Gemma1971 · 21/10/2019 14:33

She told me what was wrong with her and I was shocked as a relative had a similar problem. She could drop down dead at any minute... worst case scenario.... when I advised what treatment my relative was under, she told me not to talk about illness and she planned to think and meditate herself better. That she is doing really well.

I guess I was concerned and asking her if she is ok and that just gets ignored. She is heading for a stroke or a heart attack. I need to stop trying to help and expecting compassion or logic from her.

Yes in some ways it does make me as bad as her.. but I am just astounded by her shutting me down and telling me she is going to think herself better when she was told by a professional that she is seriously ill.... and her dismissing my own pain. She told me was "fine"... I listened for hours to her family issues. She cannot do the same for me.

I guess I still expected her to care.. she doesn't.... I need to finally let go.

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PepsiLola · 21/10/2019 15:15

You sound lovely OP, you deserve a better friend than her!

MzHz · 21/10/2019 17:17

People like her LIE about medical stuff...

Leave her to it. You’ll be soooooo much happier without her

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